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Microsoft is courting the opinion of Resetera to ban people in real life.

I really don't see the problem with this. There was a thread showing his racist, sexist and belittling tweets. If I posted anything (barring maybe the anti-BLM stuff because of where I live) close to what he posted on his accounts, I would be let go from my job pretty quickly. All these people did was go to someone that had the power to ask 343 to cut ties with this person so it does not seem like they are condoning his words.

I really don't see this as being "the opinion of Resetera" because all the guy OP is complaining about did was ping Major Nelson and say "hey, this person is saying these things, can you forward it to relevant people?" and Major Nelson is responding that he will.

Anyone complaining about this, I dare you to say various things like what that guy said on twitter (belittling rape, saying the N-word various times when white, various racist things and making unwarranted sexual comments to women) on your own social media and see how long it takes for action to be taken against you
 

JordanN

Banned
I really don't see the problem with this. There was a thread showing his racist, sexist and belittling tweets.
Reset is the last forum that gets to cast judgement on others.
Maybe the OP should have asked why doesn't Microsoft cut ties with them since they are guilty of the same thing?
 
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That guy has certainly said some dumb shit online. But goddamn resetera, what in the actual fuck is wrong with the people over there? It’s truly frightening to behold the dogmatism coupled with their complete lack of self awareness about it. The amount of unexamined self righteous anger. I can’t get down with it. As insufferable as the NeoGAF community can be, at least you guys allow for dissent without resorting immediately to ad hominem attacks or hasty generalizations in order to get people banned or fired.
 

JordanN

Banned
So making racist comments is okay?


Only if you're a Reset moderator/admin, it is.

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Will Major Nelson investigate this?
 
remember the time the head admin bdubs used words much worse than the halo 3 modder and proceeded to sweep it under the rug


Shouldn't they be cancelling him?
 
Only if you're a Reset moderator/admin, it is.

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Will Major Nelson investigate this?
That's not really racists, but it does actually incite violence. A racist post would be something like posting caricatures of black people with oversized facial features or using racial slurs, or posting Nazi symbols. There was never an epidemic of racial violence towards white people anywhere on this planet, but clearly, there have been thousands if not millions of instances of violence towards other people by white people based solely on race so your attempt to marginalize lynching of black people fails the smell test.
 
No but unless he did something at work or did something against the law this shouldn’t affect his employment one iota. Trying to pressure a company to fire someone because you don’t like what they’ve said on their own time is ridiculous IMO.
Well most companies do have policies against promoting hate speech and racially biased propaganda. So if you choose to involve yourself in those ludicrous discussions that are based on fudged numbers, false narratives, and incomplete statistics, that's on you.
 
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Tschumi

Member
I think there's plenty of precedence for hamheaded people shooting their mouths off on social media and getting caught/fired.

The Karen with the off-leash dog who tried to get a black man shot, she rightly got fired as all hell. Couldn't you say her company was getting advice to fire her from the countless websites that posted her Karen bullshit?

If the guy is saying Nazi bullshit, can his ass. I don't care if he says it on Resetera or in front of a smartphone in line at MacDonalds. I don't know what the OP was, maybe it wasn't that serious, but if it was, off with his head.

Resetera have turned me off their idea of a "progressive" gaming forum, i think they're sorely misguided in many ways, but i think this situation exists outside of their reputation. It's a more broadly applicable circumstance.
 
Am I missing something?

Resetera = bad because they make threads attempting to punish someone for having a thought/action they disagree with.

Nelson = bad because he commented in it.

This thread & many comments in it = the exact same f%^#ing thing but with the bitter tang of hypocrisy for extra flavour.

Wait people here are trying to get someone fired as well?
 

JordanN

Banned
That's not really racists, but it does actually incite violence.
Inciting violence towards white babies isn't racist?


igivehugs2nakedwomen said:
A racist post would be something like posting caricatures of black people with oversized facial features or using racial slurs, or posting Nazi symbols.
So does this count?

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Or this?

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igivehugs2nakedwomen said:
There was never an epidemic of racial violence towards white people anywhere on this planet, but clearly, there have been thousands if not millions of instances of violence towards other people by white people based solely on race so your attempt to marginalize lynching of black people fails the smell test.
It's happening in South Africa.
 
I think there's plenty of precedence for hamheaded people shooting their mouths off on social media and getting caught/fired.

The Karen with the off-leash dog who tried to get a black man shot, she rightly got fired as all hell. Couldn't you say her company was getting advice to fire her from the countless websites that posted her Karen bullshit?

If the guy is saying Nazi bullshit, can his ass. I don't care if he says it on Resetera or in front of a smartphone in line at MacDonalds. I don't know what the OP was, maybe it wasn't that serious, but if it was, off with his head.

Resetera have turned me off their idea of a "progressive" gaming forum, i think they're sorely misguided in many ways, but i think this situation exists outside of their reputation. It's a more broadly applicable circumstance.

Perhaps the company didn't want to be associated with the bad publicity that this woman's bad behavior brought on. Perhaps she should have simply "did the right thing" instead of threatening to call the police on someone and claim she was being accosted by a black man. Doing the right thing is so easy, yet people some how choose to make their own lives more difficult in order to maintain a false sense of superiority.
 
Inciting violence towards white babies isn't racist?



So does this count?

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Or this?

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It's happening in South Africa.

Now that's racist. A racial slur was used, but the story of white farmers being killed in south africa is pretty disingenuous itself considering that poverty is on the rise because of the pandemic and crime is too.
 
That's not really racists, but it does actually incite violence. A racist post would be something like posting caricatures of black people with oversized facial features or using racial slurs, or posting Nazi symbols. There was never an epidemic of racial violence towards white people anywhere on this planet, but clearly, there have been thousands if not millions of instances of violence towards other people by white people based solely on race so your attempt to marginalize lynching of black people fails the smell test.
Wait which definition of racism are we going by?
 
The one in the dictionary. The one which dominates and pervades world history, not shit conjured up in prison cells by gangs.
So dictionary definition:
racism
  1. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
    "a program to combat racism"





    the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.
    • "theories of racism"
Or are we talking institutional racism. I thought you were talking about that because at the moment usually people are saying that that is also a definition of racism (just hasn’t been accepted into dictionary yet)
 
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So dictionary definition:
racism
  1. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
    "a program to combat racism"





    the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.
    • "theories of racism"
Or are we talking institutional racism. I thought you were talking about that

First of all inciting violence and racism are two entirely separate things you seem to think otherwise.
 
That's not really racists, but it does actually incite violence. A racist post would be something like posting caricatures of black people with oversized facial features or using racial slurs, or posting Nazi symbols. There was never an epidemic of racial violence towards white people anywhere on this planet, but clearly, there have been thousands if not millions of instances of violence towards other people by white people based solely on race so your attempt to marginalize lynching of black people fails the smell test.

I am not sure if this post is meant serious, because it's so dumb.
Can you clear this up?

add/Edit: Okay, already banned. :D
 
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GHG

Gold Member
So making racist comments is okay?



Only if you're a Reset moderator/admin, it is.

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Will Major Nelson investigate this?

Or if you make comments like this in the very same discord group that Phil Spencer is a member of:

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No investigation, swept under the rug.

And no, a lot of what he's said on twitter is not ok. However people like that have a habit of eating themselves. If he still has that mindset and hasn't changed his ways then he will inevitably say or do something in a work environment and what follows next is due course.

What I don't agree with is this Internet detective doxxing behaviour that has become prevalent in recent years and is being used by these people as a weapon to ruin people's lives while simultaneously exalting their cult. This is a cycle that won't stop until everyone is existence is cancelled or until they all successfully cancel each other out.

They are digging up tweets from 2017 to build a case against him ffs.
 

haxan7

Volunteered as Tribute
Am I missing something?

Resetera = bad because they make threads attempting to punish someone for having a thought/action they disagree with.

Nelson = bad because he commented in it.

This thread & many comments in it = the exact same f%^#ing thing but with the bitter tang of hypocrisy for extra flavour.
Wrong pal. The behavior we’re criticizing Resetera for is trying to get someone fired/ruin their life for disagreeing. Do you see us doing that here?
 
First of all inciting violence and racism are two entirely separate things you seem to think otherwise.
Huh? No I was legit wondering which you were referring to - like someone saying to kill a specific ethnic group is racist right? As well as inciting violence?

EDIT: Aw man he’s gone? I genuinely wanted to know what he was on about
 
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GHG

Gold Member
I think there's plenty of precedence for hamheaded people shooting their mouths off on social media and getting caught/fired.

The Karen with the off-leash dog who tried to get a black man shot, she rightly got fired as all hell. Couldn't you say her company was getting advice to fire her from the countless websites that posted her Karen bullshit?

If the guy is saying Nazi bullshit, can his ass. I don't care if he says it on Resetera or in front of a smartphone in line at MacDonalds. I don't know what the OP was, maybe it wasn't that serious, but if it was, off with his head.

Resetera have turned me off their idea of a "progressive" gaming forum, i think they're sorely misguided in many ways, but i think this situation exists outside of their reputation. It's a more broadly applicable circumstance.

In that case then the company policy and employment contract rulebooks news to be rewritten.

Where do we draw the line here? This year we've had people cancelled and fired for infidelity in their private lives. Do you think that's fair game as well?

Slowly but surely we are devolving into a chaotic world where twitter (and social media at large) is being crowned judge, jury and executioner.

All it takes is someone to make a claim on social media against you and your whole life can be ruined in an instant. That's not ok.
 
I don't understand how you can be so dumb to think that racism works only one way.

well I think his argument is around the effects of institutional racism, which could be considered another definition of racism - wherein you have to be in a position of power in a country - but that’s why I asked which one he meant
 
Am I missing something?

Resetera = bad because they make threads attempting to punish someone for having a thought/action they disagree with.

Nelson = bad because he commented in it.

This thread & many comments in it = the exact same f%^#ing thing but with the bitter tang of hypocrisy for extra flavour.

The demon about hipocrisy is that it's always someone else doing it, isn't it? Canceling cancel culture isn't the same as cancel culture, it's just common sense.
 
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While the words sound good (who would not want to get rid of literal Nazis?) People lost their lives here and elsewhere to stop them. But when you lump in everyone "right wing" you kind of crossed the line--especially given what some people call right wing these days, just everybody who is not full on socialist gets lumped in the same group.

The problem is, until "everybody who is not an SJW" band together around fixing their influence on society they'll come after people one by one, one day they'll get DNS services to ban sites like NeoGaf because they don't fall in line.
 
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Am I missing something?

Resetera = bad because they make threads attempting to punish someone for having a thought/action they disagree with.

Nelson = bad because he commented in it.

This thread & many comments in it = the exact same f%^#ing thing but with the bitter tang of hypocrisy for extra flavour.
The concept of protecting free speech is a baffling one, isn't it?
 
While the words sound good (who would not want to get rid of literal Nazis? People lost their lives here and elsewhere to stop them. But when you lump in everyone "right wing" you kind of crossed the line--especially given what some people call right wing these days, just everybody who is not full on socialist gets lumped in the same group.

The problem is, until "everybody who is not an SJW" band together around fixing their influence on society they'll come after people one by one, one day they'll get DNS services to ban sites like NeoGaf because they don't fall in line.

Not only that friend, but pay attention to how Taker34 equates a right wing person with a neo nazi. It's literally the same thing in his mind. I feel like our generation is the one that finally became aware to how depression is actually a serious disease, maybe the next one will do the same with fanaticism.
 
So what gaming platform are you on, if I may ask? Don't tell me PC now, we all know this space is full of the same shit as well.

Is Steam really comparable? Because Sony truly has gone off the deep end, Microsoft is showing some inclination to follow suit, Nintendo has treehouse and their fucking translations... If this kind of thing really bothers a fella, PC is the only way out.
 

brap

Banned
Is Steam really comparable? Because Sony truly has gone off the deep end, Microsoft is showing some inclination to follow suit, Nintendo has treehouse and their fucking translations... If this kind of thing really bothers a fella, PC is the only way out.
PC for obvious reasons though
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GHG

Gold Member
So what gaming platform are you on, if I may ask? Don't tell me PC now, we all know this space is full of the same shit as well.

Twitter isn't a videogame.

I kid.

But seriously, yeh it's pretty much everywhere now unfortunately but at least indie devs can continue to create whatever the fuck they want to a large degree.
 

Havoc2049

Member
I really don't see the problem with this. There was a thread showing his racist, sexist and belittling tweets. If I posted anything (barring maybe the anti-BLM stuff because of where I live) close to what he posted on his accounts, I would be let go from my job pretty quickly. All these people did was go to someone that had the power to ask 343 to cut ties with this person so it does not seem like they are condoning his words.

I really don't see this as being "the opinion of Resetera" because all the guy OP is complaining about did was ping Major Nelson and say "hey, this person is saying these things, can you forward it to relevant people?" and Major Nelson is responding that he will.

Anyone complaining about this, I dare you to say various things like what that guy said on twitter (belittling rape, saying the N-word various times when white, various racist things and making unwarranted sexual comments to women) on your own social media and see how long it takes for action to be taken against you

I agree. I have no problem with his political views and even agree with the majority of them. It’s all the stupid shyt this guy said that got him in trouble.

This guy can still make Halo mods, but don’t expect to be part of the sanctioned Microsoft Xbox community while also throwing down a bunch of n-bombs. If this guy worked or volunteered for the RNC or the Trump campaign, he would be dropped in a heartbeat. Hell, the organization that I work for is very conservative and pro-Trump and even came out in support of him and if I laid down n-bombs at work or on social media that had a nexus to work, I would get shyt canned. Even pre-cancel culture, you would get shyt canned. Say stupid shyt and win stupid prizes. People need to be smarter with what they say in public, especially in this day and age.
 

Kagey K

Banned
No but unless he did something at work or did something against the law this shouldn’t affect his employment one iota. Trying to pressure a company to fire someone because you don’t like what they’ve said on their own time is ridiculous IMO.
I tried to say this as the hit squad went after Adam Orth on old Gaf. It didn’t end well for me.
 
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