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All The Last of Us 2 leaks/spoilers in here and nowhere else.

Tsukumo

Member
I think her being trans is a "joke" when in reality she's just a beef cake of a woman, for whatever reason. I say that because to my understanding nothing at all refers to her being trans in the game or out. People swear it's true, but I don't see it nor have I seen glaring proof. As far as I know, no. The whole thing with Lily/Lev sounds like the child recently decided that she wanted to be a boy, and that was really it.
She goes through quite a wide array of physical transformation. She is skinny and feminine at the start of the game, gets bulky, but in the last sequence she skinnier than Ellie and almost anorexic.
I think the voice actress they chose for her makes kind of sense, in retrospect.
 

xrnzaaas

Gold Member
While the gameplay is still top-knotch, the feeling of enjoyment quickly fades at every instance of a narrative element.

The dialogue between characters, especially characters with any type of emotional connection, reads like it was written by the writers of Mass Effect Andromeda. I'm about six hours in but I've visibly cringed at least 3-4 times during dialogue and even my wife watched me play for about half an hour and was chuckling at some of the dialogue.

That is so sad since TLOU 1 really didn't have these issues.

I haven't gotten far enough yet where it becomes clear we've been duped by ND about Joel's role in this game but I will say that once I'm actually there, I think my annoyance and frustration at the bait-and-switch will be more intense than now. Actually partaking in those moments will be worse than just reading about them.
The worst part for me was when Ellie called Dina 'babe' completely out of the blue. It was during the Downtown level so the game at that point still didn't show a lot about how their romantic relationship has evolved.
 
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Naibel

Member
Game looks stunning btw, despite the art direction being in my opinion pretty drab. Even though the rest of the content is not to my taste, that's a point it would be quite intellectually dishonest for me to criticise.
 

Madflavor

Member
By the way, in a setting where anyone, and I mean anyone can get crucified, raped, or sold into slavery, who gives a fuck if your trans? The world they live in is a big shit sandwich, and everyone has to take a bite. If you were to insert a trans character to garner sympathy to the cause, this game ain't it.
 
The worst part for me was when Ellie called Dina 'babe' completely out of the blue. It was during the Downtown level so the game at that point still didn't show a lot about how their romantic relationship has evolved.
It's just so disconnected and the narrative is almost completely separate from gameplay at times. I just don't get it....
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
While the gameplay is still top-knotch, the feeling of enjoyment quickly fades at every instance of a narrative element.

The dialogue between characters, especially characters with any type of emotional connection, reads like it was written by the writers of Mass Effect Andromeda. I'm about six hours in but I've visibly cringed at least 3-4 times during dialogue and even my wife watched me play for about half an hour and was chuckling at some of the dialogue.

That is so sad since TLOU 1 really didn't have these issues.

I haven't gotten far enough yet where it becomes clear we've been duped by ND about Joel's role in this game but I will say that once I'm actually there, I think my annoyance and frustration at the bait-and-switch will be more intense than now. Actually partaking in those moments will be worse than just reading about them.
I watched the last 90 minutes of the game from tat QXC streamer.

Half of it was cut scenes. QXC was even getting pissed and was sitting back in his chair waiting.

What LoU needs is more gameplay and less movie scenes. When Ellie or Abby is running around sleuthing through dark rooms and grimey areas and killing thugs or zombies it looks like a good game with awesome kills (assuming someone likes ultra gore). The game also has good sound with the characters all yelling at each other, cursing and ooohhh and ahhhing getting chased or hurt.

But after that 5 minute gameplay is over it's 5-10 minutes of movie.
 
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ksdixon

Member
That's a weird change. If you're holding a brick and come across a pile of bottles, you can't change one for the other. You have to throw away (break) your brick before it will let you pickup a bottle.

On TLOU1 you could swap them at will, it would just drop your brick on the floor without breaking it.


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Can I just say how fucking good it is to "Play" tlou's gameplay engine/style again?

After some small tinkering with the controls, everything is muscle memory from TLOU1 Factions. Like the sound fx like reloading a new clip into your gun are satisfying as they ever were.
 

TTOOLL

Member
I'm sure the game is fun and good with insane graphics. The story just kills it, and not because it is just bad, but because you can clearly see that there's an agenda behind it. It's forced diversity.
 

BRZBlue

Member
I'm sure the game is fun and good with insane graphics. The story just kills it, and not because it is just bad, but because you can clearly see that there's an agenda behind it. It's forced diversity.

I dunno, I feel like so much of GAF is jumping at shadows now about how everything is forced diversity and SJW's, almost like the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction after the SJW Totalitarian days.

I've played the game, I've seen the cutscenes and endings. When I originally saw the leaks, I thought it was a horrible direction. After actually playing the game and seeing the scenes in context... I don't have a problem with it.
 
As predicted the SonyGaffers (in the OT) are living in denial and saying that it's actually a decent game lol
Half of them haven't played a minute of it yet, the other half are 4-5 hours in and acting like they beat them game, understand the entire story and have no issues.

It's hilarious.

Wait until they're getting assfucked by Druckmann. They'll be sipping their morning coffee like "this is fine. "
 
Don't be fooled, that is the game's least problem. The context in the game and all of the events leading up to it make the ending even WORSE.
Exactly.

Honestly the "forced diversity" argument fails in the agenda idea.

There is no agenda. It's forced diversity for the sake of having forced diversity. And that's not even the worst part. The worst part is it is so poorly written, the narrative is so poorly designed and orchestrated that you're left with what feels like empty platitudes and empty shows of solace. It's so cringey.
 

TTOOLL

Member
I dunno, I feel like so much of GAF is jumping at shadows now about how everything is forced diversity and SJW's, almost like the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction after the SJW Totalitarian days.

I've played the game, I've seen the cutscenes and endings. When I originally saw the leaks, I thought it was a horrible direction. After actually playing the game and seeing the scenes in context... I don't have a problem with it.

It's because everything is blown out of proportion nowadays, e.g. review bombing it with 0. It's either 10 or 0, welcome to the internet.
I forgot to add the kids even go to people's profile on twitter or twitch and threat them because they like the game.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
I dunno, I feel like so much of GAF is jumping at shadows now about how everything is forced diversity and SJW's, almost like the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction after the SJW Totalitarian days.

I've played the game, I've seen the cutscenes and endings. When I originally saw the leaks, I thought it was a horrible direction. After actually playing the game and seeing the scenes in context... I don't have a problem with it.
I think a lot of the SJW stuff is overblown for sake of people having fun ragging on it. Although Abby trans-like, "bigot sandwich", Abby/Ellie/Joel/old dude getting into lesbian bickering at the slow dance etc.... and other virtue signalling kind of stuff is a turn off. Devs should stick to making games and leave politics out of it.

For people who really care about the story, I think the bigger issue which people hate is Joel dying, a weird plot of a daughter of doctor nobody cares about and an ending which is weird. You got Abby and Ellie killing anyone that moves all game, but the ending is just a stalemate where they give up and just let each other go where they magically realize after years of killing its not worth it anymore. Pretty odd thing to think after someone like Ellie has killed probably 1000s of thugs/zombies in her life and wants revenge for Joel.

Also, endless cut scenes. But if LoU 1 is like this and fans love movie scenes, this shouldn't be an issue as it should be expected.
 
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SushiReese

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Most popular Korean twitch streamer deleted the game after the finish the game first play-through. Imagine keeping RE3 in the console for half a year and delete TLOU 2 right away you finish the game.
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888

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I'm glad I skipped the game. I am a huge fan of the original, my PS3 copy is up on a shelf next to an OG PS3. The intro to that game is one of the hardest hitting pieces of all times for me, it was a moving way to develop Joel and Ellie's relationship. This disaster of a narrative is a shame, it not that she was Gay. My issue is the setting mixed with unnecessary diversity narratives along with poor writing.

Uncharted was my other big flagship PS3 series I loved. I can't bring myself to finish 4 and I've managed to avoid spoilers as well. The writing was poor and it was a bore of a game. I think ND's overall quality has taken a huge hit and has fallen off my must buy list.
 

silent head

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It's sad to see so many people in other threads calling us haters, Xbox fanboys and alt-right. Most of us in this thread loved TLOU, the themes that game explored and the characters. This game shit on all of the former. The game kills the best character in the first game like he means nothing, just to be dark, the story makes no sense, the characters behave like idiots, the game pushes SJW rhetoric in our faces and then pretends to educate us and preach to us. The sad part is that Naughty Dog and Druckmann will win in the end, the game will sell like hotcakes, win GOTY and worse of all it will break the "go woke go broke" mantra. If there's not enough push-back expect next gen to be full of games with non-binary POC women of color as main characters fighting against the Patriarchy and white people just to satisfy the Twitter mob. And if you think I'm wrong just remember back to when Jedi Fallen Order was announced, right away the woke crowd criticized the game just because the main character was white and nothing else. And this opinion is coming from a Latino, not a white person.

I mean I truly hope the people in the OT are loving and enjoying the game, that's great for them. I just hope they're loving the game because it's amazing in their eyes and not because the game is an exclusive on their favorite piece of plastic. To destroy this woke virus in gaming we will need all gamers united whether they're PS fans, Xbox fans or Nintendo fans.

Well nothing we can do now but keep those memes flowing boys lol.
#Joellifematters Out of Naughty Dog Drunckmam
 
It's sad to see so many people in other threads calling us haters, Xbox fanboys and alt-right. Most of us in this thread loved TLOU, the themes that game explored and the characters. This game shit on all of the former. The game kills the best character in the first game like he means nothing, just to be dark, the story makes no sense, the characters behave like idiots, the game pushes SJW rhetoric in our faces and then pretends to educate us and preach to us. The sad part is that Naughty Dog and Druckmann will win in the end, the game will sell like hotcakes, win GOTY and worse of all it will break the "go woke go broke" mantra. If there's not enough push-back expect next gen to be full of games with non-binary POC women of color as main characters fighting against the Patriarchy and white people just to satisfy the Twitter mob. And if you think I'm wrong just remember back to when Jedi Fallen Order was announced, right away the woke crowd criticized the game just because the main character was white and nothing else. And this opinion is coming from a Latino, not a white person.

I mean I truly hope the people in the OT are loving and enjoying the game, that's great for them. I just hope they're loving the game because it's amazing in their eyes and not because the game is an exclusive on their favorite piece of plastic. To destroy this woke virus in gaming we will need all gamers united whether they're PS fans, Xbox fans or Nintendo fans.

Well nothing we can do now but keep those memes flowing boys lol.

I agree. It's slowly becoming like ResetEra when it comes to anything Sony. I absolutely loved the first Last Of Us. Reason I'm so bitter is because of the piss poor storyline and how they killed off Joel in such a retarded way. And in the end all the killing was for nothing anyways. And you'll get someone try and retcon that and gaslight as to why that's actually a 'good' thing. But all I see is shills to Sony who are leading the SJW pandering. Well, enjoy your SJW crap I say I'm on PC where I can atleast select the games that don't pander
 

MiguelItUp

Member
CohhCarnage is currently continuing his playthrough and made a comment about how he's tired of the unnecessary flashbacks in the game. Where when the primary/current story and pacing feels like it's getting better the game forces you into a flash back sequence and it feels like weird filler, lmao.
 

ruvikx

Banned
CohhCarnage is currently continuing his playthrough and made a comment about how he's tired of the unnecessary flashbacks in the game. Where when the primary/current story and pacing feels like it's getting better the game forces you into a flash back sequence and it feels like weird filler, lmao.

Chapter 16 in Uncharted 4 was one of the most jarring pace breakers I've seen in a game (brother's Drake). It's just a long flashback slow walking level which takes 30 minutes to say something which could have been a simple cutscene. Beyond the politics (which is a problem, without doubt), it's the really bad pacing which will kill this thing.


It looks like they've joined a female head mesh on some dude's body mesh. Even the skin tone looks off between the head & body in the top image.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Is it ever explained how or why Abby has massive guns?
Don't think so.

The only tidbit of info is from the leaks which showed Abby and her crew in a compound with a big nice gym. Not scummy broken stuff. A new nicely maintained gym with other people using it.

So the assumption is she works out a ton.
 
Chapter 16 in Uncharted 4 was one of the most jarring pace breakers I've seen in a game (brother's Drake). It's just a long flashback slow walking level which takes 30 minutes to say something which could have been a simple cutscene. Beyond the politics (which is a problem, without doubt), it's the really bad pacing which will kill this thing.



It looks like they've joined a female head mesh on some dude's body mesh. Even the skin tone looks off between the head & body in the top image.
The top image isn't real. xD
But yeah, that's how i'd describe Abby. Female head on a male body.

Is it ever explained how or why Abby has massive guns?
Cuckmann has a fetish.
 
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Whitecrow

Banned
Chapter 16 in Uncharted 4 was one of the most jarring pace breakers I've seen in a game (brother's Drake). It's just a long flashback slow walking level which takes 30 minutes to say something which could have been a simple cutscene. Beyond the politics (which is a problem, without doubt), it's the really bad pacing which will kill this thing.



It looks like they've joined a female head mesh on some dude's body mesh. Even the skin tone looks off between the head & body in the top image.
Still, She fucks more than me.
 

MiguelItUp

Member
A lot of creative minds have bad taste, though, you should see Stephen King or Quentin Tarantino do their top films of the year, or read about how Christopher Nolan is obsessed with the Bayformers films.
This is true, in all forms of entertainment. I think it's best to ignore stuff like that and hope the creator you love just stays on a good consistent road of solid content (their own content).

That's a woman?
According to the game, Abby is a woman, yes.
 
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GrayFoxPL

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A lot of creative minds have bad taste, though, you should see Stephen King or Quentin Tarantino do their top films of the year, or read about how Christopher Nolan is obsessed with the Bayformers films.

Can you link to that?

I googled their favorite flicks and didn't see anything suspicious.
 

lock2k

Banned
This is true, in all forms of entertainment. I think it's best to ignore stuff like that and hope the creator you love just stays on a good consistent road of solid content (their own content).


According to the game, Abby is a woman, yes.

But does she have that body or is that internet trolling?

I know very little of TLOU all the time I saw her pic I actually thought it was Ellie.
 

MiguelItUp

Member
But does she have that body or is that internet trolling?

I know very little of TLOU all the time I saw her pic I actually thought it was Ellie.
She does have that body. It's incredibly swole and she's just built very bizarrely. I personally think the internet is trolling on calling her trans and thinking it's funny, I just don't see the humor in it. Though I can most certainly confirm she looks very masculine and not feminine whatsoever. There IS a confirmed trans character in the game, but it isn't Abby. Abby is a woman that just looks the way she does for whatever reason.
 

carlosrox

Banned
I don't wanna know the actual ending but what's the deal with Abby? She is indeed a straight woman?

What's with that sex scene pic with her face on it I just started seeing today?
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
I don't wanna know the actual ending but what's the deal with Abby? She is indeed a straight woman?

What's with that sex scene pic with her face on it I just started seeing today?
Looks like a man, but seems straight.

There's a sex scene in the game. Watch it if you want. But's not appetizing.
 
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