bargeparty
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How did you get it in your head that every game is made specifically for you?
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Neil Druckmann: "There are games that are just comfort food. This is not one of those"
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How did you get it in your head that every game is made specifically for you?
eastwood333
Banned
What part of being a Christian do you not understand? If you're not a Christian and it does not effect you, then that's you.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
This one is including such themes.. so what? Ellie is allowed, like other people in the world, to be bisexual or lesbian ... this game is exploring what the character they presented / outed / revealed in the DLC would be once they reached that age (19 years old).
eastwood333
Banned
I didn't. And clearly this game is not for me and I expressed why. No?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
You are assuming my faith, but I think you are assuming wrongly (and assuming Christianity is not really split into tons of sects each ignoring the parts of the New Testament they like the least... it is amusing to see many Christians being 90% Old Testament thumpers and ignore what they may feel inside as a retcon they are possibly trying to subconsciously ignore in the NT bit).
You also stated that you may get this game when it gets cheap enough, very confusing as it may make more sense for you to decide to skip it regardless of price.
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eastwood333
Banned
The game offends me. So what? Whats it to you? It's none of your concern is it? I have the right to express my opinion. Take it or leave it.
THEAP99
Banned
I am also a Christian but will be enjoying this game as I have tolerance for things that may go against my belief. I was never taught to close myself off from the world and act intolerant just because there're things that differ from me.
Also, I do not think it matters if the game has gays or not, it has violent killing anyways and isn't faithful to religion.. like most media.. Either way, God probably isn't happy LMAO
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eastwood333
Banned
Because if you were a christian, you would understand why i'm upset. No? And a little tip.... people who refer to themselves as being " a pleasant genius" usually aren't!
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ToadMan
Member
Isn't the whole premise of the undead rather an afront to Christian beliefs? They escaped judegement after all. Are your Christian values only offended by how people achieve orgasm? That's an extreme one dimensional view of Christianity.
In fact I'm gonna guess 90% of games these days don't conform to mainstream Christian values given the obscenity, violence, judgemental attitude, promotion of scientific veracity, greed and pride entrenched in videogame tropes.
Oh and not to mention that many fantasy games espouse a God or Gods of non-abrahamic traditions.
Seems to me there's a massive hypocrisy accepting all that in your Christian gaming ouvre but dithcing TLOU due to the sexuality of a character.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Yes, then at some point leave the game and the discussions of it alone maybe? I have no problem with you saying that people that consider themselves as part of the LGBTQ+ community so to speak offend you and so do representations of it. I support your ability in public society not to be oppressed by the police or the state or other people for your opinions albeit I do disagree with them.
Still, at some point you also need to respect the freedom of others to discuss what they like a bit too. Changing the channel may help too as they say...
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eastwood333
Banned
I still want to play the game and as I stated above, will get it at a discount price in the future. Still upset about the whole thing though
THEAP99
Banned
So you'll go against your beliefs but later, aight.
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eastwood333
Banned
Again, name me all of these games that push LGBQ and tie that to the main plot. This game is purposefully trying to push the agenda.
We all know ND is not pushing for murder.
ToadMan
Member
So you're not a Christian - you are just a bigot?
EDIT: I should point out what I mean by this is that you are ignoring all other tenets of Christiaity except the sexuality part. That isn't Christianity any more...
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
The game offends you and your faith and get if it is cheap enough you will buy it?! This I do not get the most...
eastwood333
Banned
No, my way of protesting it is by not paying full price for it, hence the "wait for bargain bin price". And even then, I may not buy it.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Why do you need to half protest it like that?! It morally outrages me, but darn it looks good so if it is cheap enough I may still partake in playing it but with a disgusted face let it be known?!
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
You know that people do not give tags to themselves, right?
I get why you are upset, I disagree with it and think you cannot use your faith as a shield here IMHO or to judge what kind of a Christian others may be.
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eastwood333
Banned
I can assure you, i'm not the only one who feels this way.
And i'm wondering why you and some others are so upset about my opinion? My opinion is not new. MANY people feel the same way.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
... and? How does that change things? I am not sure it is everyone else in here looking upset, that sounds like projecting...
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eastwood333
Banned
That's interesting. I'm also a conservative. My faith reflects in all aspects of my life. I do not owe you or anyone else here an explaination,nor do I need to defend my faith to you.
Whether you understand me, disagree with me is irrelevant to me.
ToadMan
Member
It matters not how many agree with you - you posted your bigoted opinion here. People have a reasonable right to expect to respond within the rules of the forum owner.
I'm not a Christian, but I can understand why other people would be offended by your claim of being a Christian when actually only cherry picking the parts of the religion you prefer.
I think you've confused political conservatism with Christianity.
Also, you don't have the right to not be offended. You're hypocrisy is being shown to you and you are unable to defend yourself.
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ToadMan
Member
This is clearly false - since you've already disregarded anything other than sexuality in games.
Christianity has little to say about sexuality - particularly lesbianism.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
That would be the textbook definition of being a bigot and that is completely separated from your faith or your political affiliation: being a conservative and/or a Christian does not mean you are a bigot or not as these are orthogonal concepts in my view (btw, normally I would expect you to hate so called Identity Politics, placing your definition of self in the groups you are part of, but here you seem to do just that regarding Christianity and Conservativism... these are also bits which I do not understand).
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Indeed, it is mostly oblique / stretched out Old Testament parts which for some reasons Christians refuse to see as superseded by the New Testament (part about the old message being tuned to how rough and harsh the people’s hearts were and the new message, of Universal love, essentially superseding it and offering its true interpretation is something I do not often see... some Christians spend so so little time talking about what is attributed to Christ in the four Gospels that I find very very surprising... sorry for the aside).
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
You are more than free not to like it but also developers are more than free to make what ever they want to make.
Werewolf Jones
Gold Member
You think cutscenes with voice acting are fake that have also been shown in the latest previews? Aight.
MMaRsu
Banned
why, because he's able to form coherent thoughts unlike yourself?
Venom Snake
Member
The more people shit on this guy, the more success I wish him. I may not fully agree with his views, but I am able to understand the implications of this unusual approach to the topic.
Until now, I had no reason to say that the guy is deprived of the skills needed to make the game work well in terms of the story.
I also have nothing against the decisions he made of including lesbians, transsexuals and religious fanatics in his game. It is not that such people do not exist and some narrative cannot be built around them, even if it appears one-sided and does not take into account the views of all potential target groups.
If for someone it means the same as looking down on people and imposing diversity/ideology - well, more or less each of us acts in a similar way, we just stopped paying attention to this in the belief that our own views are correct and set in stone, no matter what. We don't like giving the field to people whose views we disagree with, i get it.
But it's still just a fucking video game and people act as if it was a new constitution. Get over it FFS.
Until now, I had no reason to say that the guy is deprived of the skills needed to make the game work well in terms of the story.
I also have nothing against the decisions he made of including lesbians, transsexuals and religious fanatics in his game. It is not that such people do not exist and some narrative cannot be built around them, even if it appears one-sided and does not take into account the views of all potential target groups.
If for someone it means the same as looking down on people and imposing diversity/ideology - well, more or less each of us acts in a similar way, we just stopped paying attention to this in the belief that our own views are correct and set in stone, no matter what. We don't like giving the field to people whose views we disagree with, i get it.
But it's still just a fucking video game and people act as if it was a new constitution. Get over it FFS.
PleaseWaitStation4
Banned
The fact he trojan-horsed his political message in a popular game that 13 year olds will buy is cringe. It's not an edgy or intelligent move.
Portugeezer
Member
Such a BS interview, but still the game looks great.
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Optimistic Gamer
Member
I think I agree. Everything I've seen so far makes me really uncomfortable. It's like a Nazi-movie that deals with the unhealthy relationships that occurred between guards and prisoners.
However I don't see yet why I would want to play this if it just made me feel bad.
At least when I play a horror game there's a rush of adrenaline and relieve; here I could only see my depression coming back.
Not for me, however I agree that this is what the higher ESRB/PEGI Ratings are made for.
However I don't see yet why I would want to play this if it just made me feel bad.
At least when I play a horror game there's a rush of adrenaline and relieve; here I could only see my depression coming back.
Not for me, however I agree that this is what the higher ESRB/PEGI Ratings are made for.
SaucyJack
Member
Does anyone really care that Ellie's character is a lesbian?
Its a valid creative choice and whilst relevant to the plot is not exactly going to change the gameplay or have a major impact on most people’s enjoyment of the game. I mean it’s 2020 FFS, no one cares who you fuck any more.
Its a valid creative choice and whilst relevant to the plot is not exactly going to change the gameplay or have a major impact on most people’s enjoyment of the game. I mean it’s 2020 FFS, no one cares who you fuck any more.
bargeparty
Member
Since I'm on media blackout with this game can you explain what his political message is without spoiling anything?
Naughty dogs have never let me down so I won't judge the game unfairly without giving it a fair chance. The game looks great, the animations are out of this world, the world feels alive, so graphics and gameplay of this game look and feel truly amazing. Now I know that people have an issue with the story of this game, but I feel that this game is getting unfairly criticized. Here the director of this game is addressing the leaks and instead of doubling down or saying stupid shit like a lot of woke or virtue signalers(cough bf5 " don't buy our game " cough) he is genuinely trying to clarify things. He is reassuring that they care about the characters, they don't want diversity points, they don't believe in forced or unnatural representation, for them it's all about story and characters. He knows that tlou 2 is still breaking records in pre orders but instead of being a prick or being elitist or boasting about it, he is still trying to say that he loves these characters and wants us to give the game a fair chance. And that's what I am going to do.
FranXico
Member
Outside of any possible bonuses, he gets his paycheck irrespective of how the game sells. And it looks like his pockets will be lined alright.
Insert Disk Two
Member
I will give the game a fair chance no problem. Once it lands on PS+ or PS Now. I am very patient 
Azurro
Banned
My issue with this game is that, after seeing the leaks, one hour worth of those, is that the characters presented don't really fit with reality. Ellie does not behave like a woman, lesbian or otherwise. The script was written for a man and the acting is also made for a man, just acted by a woman, this creates a disonance in the game that I do not enjoy. That is only compounded when you look at the gameplay, and Ellie, a 50 kg at the most girl is getting physical with dudes nearly double her size.
Also, the world of TLOU doesn't really make sense with the characters found in it. Transexuals would literally not exist, as none of the hormonal medication would ever exist, while the facilities steroids and supplements the gym lady would need to exist would also be gone in a world like the one TLOU is supposed to have.
So, why do all of these ridiculous elements exist? It's because Neil is a little unhinged and wants to push his narrative. I like to stay in touch with reality and not be one of those "20 genders exist, everyone needs to be an alphabet person" people, so I prefer not to have his ideas be preached to me.
Azurro
Banned
Nah mate, if you have seen everything out there, they are going all in on diversity points. Even in this interview, he's all about how diversity makes his story better and giving out his tired talking points. If you have seen interviews with the guy, he's an unhinged, unironic SJW.