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DF Direct: PlayStation 5 / Unreal Engine 5 Reaction - Now This Is Next-Gen!
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01011001
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why do you care about PR bullshit? that's the real question here.
this demo would run better on Series X, everyone knows this, so attaching a PS5 logo to it does absolutely nothing for people that actually are watching stuff like this.
do you think the general public watches tech demos and know what the hell an engine tech demo is?
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Thirty7ven
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Alex swallowing dry from the get go. Dude was pale as a dead horse.
shubik
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LoL because this "PR bullshit" is what I do as a job and this is what makes the difference in the end. Forums like neogaf often forget that they are a very special demographic that outside in the real world only plays a minor role. It´s just reality man.
Stuart360
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After watching this DF vid, it seems there probably will be games that look like this. This demo isnt just a demonstration of power, its a demonstration of the new techniques and features of UE5. John says they discussed this with Epic and it basically came out that you could get somehting like this looking comparable on current gen, with changing some settings.
What I am now curious about is if XsX has the ability to run RT for this same demo and if Epic Games deliberately downgraded their tech demo just to fall in line with PS5. I only say that because this was supposed to be a tech demo for UE5 so it would make sense to want it to shine as much as possible.
I would love to see a version of this demo running on PC with RT enabled.
01011001
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yeah but people who watch tech demos are also a very small demographic... so what does this change? and again, we know this would run better, even if only by a tiny bit, on Series X, meaning it running on PS5 does nothing... it's not a new game, it's just a piece of software that looks nice and that runs on hardware that is on the level of a relatively high end PC.
and if you are not familiar with what is being conveyed in the demonstration it won't even look/seem that striking to you, because it doesn't look that much better at a glance than some of the best looking current gen games.
it is the tech details behind this demo that are the real game changers not the general look of it.
ethomaz
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That is one of the advantages of change of paradigm from HDD to ultra high SSD speeds.
StormCell
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Very nice tech demo of actual game code running on a PS5. That's key to me. I don't know if I expect many games to approach this level of quality, but we know it's possible.
Key detail for me, though, is the full engine won't release until late in 2021. How much longer will we need to wait for next-gen games built from the ground up on UE5? Are we expecting year 3 or 4 of the next-gen to be a huge blow out?
Key detail for me, though, is the full engine won't release until late in 2021. How much longer will we need to wait for next-gen games built from the ground up on UE5? Are we expecting year 3 or 4 of the next-gen to be a huge blow out?
shubik
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And again I have to say: although most of what you write is correct, it doesn't matter. You will see this tech demo being talked and written about from every major gaming outlet in the world over the next couple of days. This is how you make headlines and create stories. They used a simple tech demo but showed at the same time how the next will look like. And that's a first. That's the story.
And on a side note: even though Microsoft insists on the fact that they created the fastest gaming console in the history of gaming, they so far struggled a lot to showcase this exact power. That's also a headline you may have seen in the last couple of days. That's the result of bad marketing. And please don´t tell me this doesn't matter. it does.
JareBear: Remastered
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When it comes to next gen DF head to head comparisons between XsX and PS5 will draw distance and LOD Pop-in be something they can “measure” like they do resolution and frame rate? I imagine the XsX’s SSD will be capable of showing off these features too but perhaps there will be differences, maybe XsX has higher resolution, maybe PS5 has better LOD pop-in? Or no?
ethomaz
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Draw distance and pop-in is way easier to spot then the actual retro constructed resolutions.
Framerate is even easier you just run a software on the video to catch the different frames.
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Andodalf
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LOD can be tested, albeit less scientifically than res/framerate, and many of their videos display pop in distance differences. The difficulty with next gen is going to be that the differences in distance might get smaller, as both consoles push it out farther, and in the Case of UE5, there seems to be no distinct LOD switching, as instead of switching in higher quality models and textures, the model is constantly changing based on how many pixels of screen space it takes up. There's a lot of unknowns, but asset quality seems to directly scale with res, which will make higher resolutions super demanding.
It was running at a dynamic res, it sounds like it spent most of it's time at 1440p, but almost certainly went under, as if it didn't they would have little reason to mention it. I don't think it dropped too much though, but there's no screens of a high enough quality to pixel count that I know of.
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Ulysses 31
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How quickly people forget the 60 fps in-game engine Uncharted 4 demo and what the final product ended up as, graphically. 
Let's see playable games close to release.
Let's see playable games close to release.
nowhat
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Do we have anything concrete about a possible Uncharted 5 coming out? ND themselves has pretty much said they're done with the series - there have been rumours about the new (as of yet unnamed, I think?) first-party studio working on a new Uncharted, but AFAIK nothing has been confirmed thus far.
(personally, I wouldn't mind UC5, but at the same time, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it not happening)
Thirty7ven
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I think on XSX side you will be able to spot advantages in ray traced shadows and reflections, being rendered with higher resolution. Listen H2H are going to be a goddamn borefest and finally DF will be largely known for their tech dives and not their H2H.
daveonezero
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Thats cool its more like a gameplay showcase than the usual fly by. I like seeing realtime stuff.
ThisIsMyDog
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i can now imagine Witcher 4 with that tech.
TTOOLL
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Look above hahahaah
Anyway, that "tech demo" is playable and replayable. Good fucking first show of the PS5 powa.
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martino
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I think Alex only need to put some context here :
1440p , 30fps, not an open world (the controversy was about them) , only one character and not complex gameplay
DeepEnigma
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Nothing concrete, but the sales of 4 are anything to go by...
Yeah, I remember those rumors as well.
I would love for them to bring Amy Hennig back and helm a prequel Uncharted in the 70's/early 80's featuring Sully and Cutter. Uncharted was never Druckmann's baby, TLoU is. So he can move on, and it can be given to someone else. An Amy Hennig and Bruce Straley reunion would be, EPIC!
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Wandering Leopard
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Ouch at 1440p30, can't wait for an Nvidia GPU to run the same demo at 4K60
I wonder how much that Nvidia GPU will cost... Definitely great news for those who are happy to spend X amount of money on it.
The upscalling is fine too, hence the excitement around tech like dlss.
DeepEnigma
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Ouch at 1440p30, can't wait for an Nvidia GPU to run the same demo at 4K60
You will have to wait for similar SSD setups as well too. As it stands, current high end PCs won't even run it (SSD/memory IO wise).
DunDunDunpachi
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It looks slick, but I'm fed up with the trickling of news. If early next-gen games look like this, nice! A noticeable bump up with some nifty improvements in visuals.
But these systems are both ostensibly launching in about 6 months.
Where are the games? I want to see a guy with at DualSense or a XsX controller in their hands playing an official title that will be available at launch or in the first month.
Maybe I have a faulty memory, but I haven't seen a next-gen launch with so little revealed at this point of the timeline. I understand Wuhan flu disrupted things and E3 this year was likely going to be a genuine battleground of next-gen news. However I can't really form a strong opinion on either system until I see games. Neither system is worth a purchase based on the info we have.
But these systems are both ostensibly launching in about 6 months.
Where are the games? I want to see a guy with at DualSense or a XsX controller in their hands playing an official title that will be available at launch or in the first month.
Maybe I have a faulty memory, but I haven't seen a next-gen launch with so little revealed at this point of the timeline. I understand Wuhan flu disrupted things and E3 this year was likely going to be a genuine battleground of next-gen news. However I can't really form a strong opinion on either system until I see games. Neither system is worth a purchase based on the info we have.
GermanZepp
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1440p dynamic, 30fps and this quality of graphics is a tradeoff that is very very fine.. can't wait to see more.
Romulus
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Not that I would push the PR angle like that, but I think most people realize that the closest we'll get to pushing these machines is with Sony 1st party. That'll be the first time we see real next gen imo. Running a multiplatform at 200p more resolution or a game that has to run on an XB1 is hardly exciting.
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nowhat
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No, it would be ND
More seriously though, I doubt Straley will be working with AAA for a long time, by the sounds of it he was quite burned out about the whole thing. Can't say I blame him.
Bankai
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F*ck raytracing. It's the endresult that counts and this looks amazing. UE5 with its new global illumination tech may very well deliver the same results as RT, but with MUCH better performance. Nothing is baked lighting in this demo and it all comes across as very realistic / true to life.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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I may be crazy here, but I'd love a next-gen Panzer Dragoon Saga remake or sequel with these levels of detail.
...are you listening, SEGA? You damn well better.
Also something not talked about enough here is the great art direction in the demo; you almost can't tell there's no RT present because the art direction with the lighting choices is just that good.
...are you listening, SEGA? You damn well better.
Also something not talked about enough here is the great art direction in the demo; you almost can't tell there's no RT present because the art direction with the lighting choices is just that good.
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JareBear: Remastered
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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We need to, like, get a petition going or something. Still gotta pick up the Panzer Dragoon Remake but I can't see a Saga remake in that art direction tbh.
TBiddy
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Running in and completely playable on PS5.
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The mic has been dropped.
Not really. It’s a game with no content.
DanEON
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lol
DeepEnigma
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What are you laughing about? He said it in the live stream.
He said the new Nanite tech will only run on the next gen consoles, and future high end PCs when they get those SSD/memory IO speeds. Mid-range (which current high end will be), will get downscaled assets from their marketplace.
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JTCx
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You are salty. Youre just bitter that this was able to run on ps5 hardware. The fact that this looks impressive scares you.why salt? this is unreal engine, will be the same on all nextgen consoles and pc lol
and its only 1440p/30 lol and same 30fps "cinematic" feel.
did you even see the reaction of most people? "I thought this is the new tomb raider!" lol really? so much for "nextgen".
I was promised COMPLETE NEW GAMES, that haven't been able to be delivered in currentgen due to the missing SSD.
For example:
The Medium is a true nextgen game, because in current gen we arent able to have basically TWO different worlds at ONCE, and where you can switch between those, this is something new and not the same but shinier.
The Medium Developer Reveals Why Game is Next-Gen Exclusive
The developer of The Medium, Bloober Team, looks set to deliver a game-changing mechanic in the upcoming title that made it a next-gen game.gamerant.com
this is what I was expecting, this would be true nextgen to me, now yeah, looks shinier, better dust and all, but true nextgen? not really
You might wanna clean your mouth later with all that shit coming out of it.
Insane Metal
Member
PS5 already helping keep people alive. What a time.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Next gen folding @ home.
Azurro
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Reminds me a lot of that Final Fantasy demo that was made for GDC or something like that. It just looks incredible, and the details they discussed just made it sound even better. I have to say I was a bit disappointed when they first talked technical details about the PS5 but this, wow, this is incredible.
TBiddy
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You do know it was Epic.. right?