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[Team Andromeda]

I do find it a bit contradictory that Microsoft have the most powerful console, but want to get games released on lesser hardware. As it is their first party lineup is thin and they want developers wasting time on making games for the one x. Games may look much better on the series x by say, 2022, but by then the ps5 to xbox series x/c/whatever will be 10-1. Microsoft need exclusive show stoppers from day one to convince people to buy their new console. Unfortunately they have none. Halo has been average since the original, and forza, whilst great is just not gran turismo.

Grand Turismo. If there's ever a game that been average for years, and despite years in development still released in an unfinished state. GT Sport is no Project Cars 2, never mind Forza 6 or 7. I sort of agree with you on Halo, but I'm willing to bet the new Halo will look amazing on the Series X, play great and that will be good enough, for a 'launch title'.

Btw do you find contradictory when people say they have a super-powerful say an Intel Core i9-9900K, GeForce RTX 2080 PC, while most modern games still need to run on an Intel Core i3-530,GeForce GTX 470

*rollseyes*

 

[THE DUCK]

Your post makes no sense, they will target the high end spec as primary, and scale back graphics features for weaker machines, with today's architecture and tools it will take like a week to complete and optimize. I swear threads like these are designed just to find another nonsensical reason to pan the xbox series x, it's like a deliberate plan of misinformation. Combine this with "more cu's is worse" (not true):and "your ssd is 20% slower and for sure the series x must be hot garbage" (also not true) and "the ram is slower" (its not) according to many of these threads. It feels like a narrative is being written by a group of people with an agenda - discredit xbox series x at all costs.
And that's not even taking into account the weaker machine isn't even coming for sure.

 

[ZywyPL]

Lowered resolution, lowered framerate, lowered/no details, they are multiple ways a lower spec'd consoles can run THEW EXACT SAME games, PCs have been doing it for half a century basically, Switch is another great example with TWC3.

At the end of the day, great games don't need great graphics, same way as great graphics won't make bad games great. There ware a lot of ambitious games decades ago where the hardware was much, much less advanced (HL2 or Crysis for example), while current-gen games with all the PS4/XB1 power have not much to offer other than big worlds and shiny graphics.

 

[Clear]

No, this is wrong. And you are spreading FUD. He is only talking about XBOX STUDIOS GAMES.

All Third Party devs are free to develop XBOX SERIES X only games DAY ONE.

He only talked about XBOX Studios, that THEIR games will on XBOX ONE too for the FIRST YEAR of the Series X. So, can you please stop spreading FUD?

OP is just trying to change the narrative of Xbox, so that xbox is not the most powerful console anymore, but instead the weakest and will even held back everything, which is beyond ridiculous. I think it's even worse than this thread: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/it-s...-higher-teraflops-count-a-risky-move.1536590/

The issue is that if Lockhart exists, MS are going to want as many devs as possible to support it. I mean, nobody launches a platform/SKU expecting it to receive no third-party support.

 

[DrScissorsMD]

The issue is that if Lockhart exists, MS are going to want as many devs as possible to support it. I mean, nobody launches a platform/SKU expecting it to receive no third-party support.

I’d argue MS’s “one game will work on all platforms” kind of mitigates this, as outside of first party MS are not mandating it. Third party can easily aim for only new gen / higher-tier PC without concern. If they want to support old gen, they’re welcome to and would probably have an easier time with it tools-wise as it’s in MS’s best interest for it to be as easy as possible.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Your post makes no sense, they will target the high end spec as primary, and scale back graphics features for weaker machines, with today's architecture and tools it will take like a week to complete and optimize. I swear threads like these are designed just to find another nonsensical reason to pan the xbox series x, it's like a deliberate plan of misinformation. Combine this with "more cu's is worse" (not true):and "your ssd is 20% slower and for sure the series x must be hot garbage" (also not true) and "the ram is slower" (its not) according to many of these threads. It feels like a narrative is being written by a group of people with an agenda - discredit xbox series x at all costs.
And that's not even taking into account the weaker machine isn't even coming for sure.

That doesn't make sense . No developer ever targets the highest spec and then scale back as its a nightmare to deal with and often requires another team to handle it as it won't be simple port.they always target the middle ground and scale up or down from there. U don't design a game for rtx 2080ti and then scale it back to a 1080p cards. You target the middle cards and u scale up for high end gpus or down for low end from there . Gpu does more than resolution

 

[pawel86ck]

I expect developers will easily port XSX games to XSS and overall lockhart (XSS) should be a good thing, and especially if we consider upcoming recession. When more people will buy cheaper base console then more developers will makes games for stronger XSX as well.

 

[Ovek]

Just means more testing and more bugs for the development team to deal with which in turn takes time away from polishing the final product or implementing features.

 

[ZywyPL]

That doesn't make sense . No developer ever targets the highest spec and then scale back as its a nightmare to deal with and often requires another team to handle it as it won't be simple port.they always target the middle ground and scale up or down from there. U don't design a game for rtx 2080ti and then scale it back to a 1080p cards. You target the middle cards and u scale up for high end gpus or down for low end from there . Gpu does more than resolution

Except that's exactly how games are being developed, that's why we have those high quality/CGI trailers to begin with.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Except that's exactly how games are being developed, that's why we have those high quality/CGI trailers to begin with.

What r u even talking about ? How's cgi trailer have anything to do with game development? No ,games are not being developed by targeting the highest spec it is mostly designed for middle hardware then port up or down . I.know u would like it to be that way but its not the case . Name 3 games being developed for rtx 2080ti as base ? Lol u can't as it diesnt exist.

In your logic , then its so easy to port from ps4 and x1 to switch(developing for more powerful hardware then scaling it down) but in reality it is not and we have many dev complain about it and ultimately skipping the switch as hiring another dev to handle the down port(which is the case for the switch when it gets a multiplatform release) is not viable option.

 

[sonomamashine]

I'm waiting for Lockhart (when revealed) is a 6TF machine so the base is weak, Xsx is irrelevant.
It's coming.

Ooooooo i was expecting this thread



OP is slippery dodged PC, Current Gen & Switch
It doesn't matter it's all about them SSD's
OP type SSD on GAF search bar and read them threads, i'm sure you'll be convinced that power ain't shit.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Ooooooo i was expecting this thread



OP is slippery dodged PC, Current Gen & Switch
It doesn't matter it's all about them SSD's
OP type SSD on GAF search bar and read them threads, i'm sure you'll be convinced that power ain't shit.

What about current gen and switch ? Have you not seen how many devs skip switch due to the down port issue and all the ones coming to switch have another team working on the down port specifically for switch ? Not every dev can do that specially in case of xbox. No devs will hire 2 teams to work on xsx and xss sperately like they do for switch case (where they hire a separate team to handle it)

 

[ZehDon]

The first wave of next-gen games aren’t going to be designed for full system potential, so if the Series S is a thing, then we won’t see the impact of its weaker hardware until the second wave of games - two years into the next generation.

I feel like there must be more to the Lockheart system than simply a lower price. Even if it cost $99.00, that’s not worth it to place such steep restrictions on developers.

Are we missing something?

 

[PlayStaytion]

I still think current hardware did not meat 4k standard like 1080p resolution yet , hardware should achieve 4k natively with no tricks , I don't care about dlls dlls2 or vrs, we are not there yet , I'm lowering my expectations , platinum dev argument about ps5 and xsx specs still holds its weight to me , we will have to wait and see.

 

[sonomamashine]

What about current gen and switch ? Have you not seen how many devs skip switch due to the down port issue and all the ones coming to switch have another team working on the down port specifically for switch ? Not every dev can do that specially in case of xbox. No devs will hire 2 teams to work on xsx and xss sperately like they do for switch case (where they hire a separate team to handle it)

Listen we don't care, why are we debating this ?
Lockhart just have to have a 5.5+GB SSD and problem solved.
PS5 weaker than XBSX = it's all about secret sauce SSD
Lockhart 1080p/1440p machine = holding back 12TF XBOX

 

[John254]

What about current gen and switch ? Have you not seen how many devs skip switch due to the down port issue and all the ones coming to switch have another team working on the down port specifically for switch ? Not every dev can do that specially in case of xbox. No devs will hire 2 teams to work on xsx and xss sperately like they do for switch case (where they hire a separate team to handle it)

You are seriously trying to compare better HW than Xbox One X with Switch?

I mean, come on. It Lockhart will have same cpu and same ssd what is the problem in terms of game design?

 

[Mista]

You do realise that they develop on the most powerful and then do versions for the less powerful?

You have an existing example, go take a look at the X1X and Pro. Nothing is going to be held back

 

[sonomamashine]

People acting like DEVS gonna drop Current Gen +180M units in the next couple of years.

 

[MisterXDTV]

When Cerny revealed PS5 specs some people said PS5 might hold back next-gen because it was weak compared to Series X

It will be hilarious here after Microsoft announces a 4 TF machine next month....

 

[CrashNBurn_281]

Microsoft knows Lockhart will hold the generation back. They are in the process of renaming it project Covid right now.

Millions of gamers will have to self isolate their console or their poor games will be held back by the Lockhart.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Listen we don't care, why are we debating this ?
Lockhart just have to have a 5.5+GB SSD and problem solved.
PS5 weaker than XBSX = it's all about secret sauce SSD
Lockhart 1080p/1440p machine = holding back 12TF XBOX

I don't even know what u r talking about . What does ssd have anything to what we are discussing? U sound like a troll dude thats for sure . U said how easy it is to develop for switch and ps4/x1, I replied that is not the case and u say u don't care let me troll more lol k . Enjoy the 17% stronger gpu bud.no one can deny that. Its ur right it seemed u were personally hurt when x1 was 43% underpowered so now u r acting like this.

 

[John254]

When Cerny revealed PS5 specs some people said PS5 might hold back next-gen because it was weak compared to Series X

It will be hilarious here after Microsoft announces a 4 TF machine next month....

Lol

Who said that ps5 will hold back next-games?

You have a proof?

 

[Agnostic2020]

You are seriously trying to compare better HW than Xbox One X with Switch?

I mean, come on. It Lockhart will have same cpu and same ssd what is the problem in terms of game design?

He mentioned ports from switch and ps4/x1 is so easy to do. I replied to him it is not easy at all. I didnt compare it to xss.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Lol

Who said that ps5 will hold back next-games?

You have a proof?

I read on some internet forum, I don't remember if it was GAF or something else

 

[hyperbertha]

If you look at games released on pc then you would be wrong. So i think this would be the same.

wtf is this nonsense comment?

 

[LED Guy?]

Why would this even be the case?

Because developers will be pushing technology in new ways and you will see that.

 

[sonomamashine]

I don't even know what u r talking about . What does ssd have anything to what we are discussing? U sound like a troll dude thats for sure . U said how easy it is to develop for switch and ps4/x1, I replied that is not the case and u say u don't care let me troll more lol k . Enjoy the 17% stronger gpu bud.no one can deny that. Its ur right it seemed u were personally hurt when x1 was 43% underpowered so now u r acting like this.

I read your pain bro
This thread is about Lockhart holding Series X back right ?
You tell me what the SSD has to do with a underpowered console (whatever the % is) check the PS5 threads.
i like how you twisted what i said and turned me into a troll, i don't recall saying it's EASY to develop for current gen, i said DEVS wont drop +180M units in the next couple of years.
Whatever you do/say to share your frustration to me, it wont affect me.
#STAYSTRONG

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Because developers will be pushing technology in new ways and you will see that.

So you think the XSX will have games running at 1620p? Lol...

 

[joe_zazen]

wtf is this nonsense comment?

i think he believes the only thing power and tech does is increase resolution and effects.

*******

There is a reason Valiant looks like ass and has the scope and complexity it does, despite being one of the most expensive games ever with a giant dev team, and that is it is targeting PC.

And since MS is now also a PC game maker, the will have a similar baseline. Lockhart wont be the problem for MS studios until 2026-7, because until then, weak ass pcs will be the problem. Same goes for third parties.

the only next gen jumps will be from sony first party until weak ass PCs have caught up to ps5/xsx aand Lockhart is dead...so next next gen. Sorry.

 

[LED Guy?]

Actually as DF tests showed, lowering resolution should do the job just fine.
4K series X game running at FHD on lockheart would have quite a headroom left.
So i guess it would be more like:
4K on X = dynamic 1440p on S
1800p on X = 1080p on S
1620?....arent we talking about ambitious games? ;-)
But jokes aside. Majority of games on ONE X targets 1800 or higher so i dont think the SERIES X is going to run game on lower resolution.

I don’t think just a resolution downgrade would be fine, I think if the Lockhart managed to sell way above Xbox Series X, I think this is where we will see problems come up as developers will just focus on that HW running good rather than targeting the most powerful console Xbox has, this will definitely lower back or hold back some games, especially the ambitious ones, the XSX will just be your typical brute force machine which is garbage if you ask me.

 

[LED Guy?]

So you think the XSX will have games running at 1620p? Lol...

Yeah, some high-end games later in the generation will be like that, why not?

 

[joe_zazen]

I don’t think just a resolution downgrade would be fine, I think if the Lockhart managed to sell way above Xbox Series X, I think this is where we will see problems come up as developers will just focus on that HW running good rather than targeting the most powerful console Xbox has, this will definitely lower back or hold back some games, especially the ambitious ones, the XSX will just be your typical brute force machine which is garbage if you ask me.

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anyone buying an xsx should expect it to be the equivalent of x1x in terms of what it brings to the table: more resolution, more effects, and (sometimes) more fps. No dev will make xsx exclusives. Zero, nada.

 

[Agnostic2020]

I read your pain bro
This thread is about Lockhart holding Series X back right ?
You tell me what the SSD has to do with a underpowered console (whatever the % is) check the PS5 threads.
i like how you twisted what i said and turned me into a troll, i don't recall saying it's EASY to develop for current gen, i said DEVS wont drop +180M units in the next couple of years.
Whatever you do/say to share your frustration to me, it wont affect me.
#STAYSTRONG

Oh so ssd had nothing to do with this discussion u and I were having and you brought it from other threads because? Have I ever mention ssd will make the 17% gpu difference disappear? No I haven't. So again u brought it up in our conversation because ? Because u wanted to troll? Haha thanks for proving my point bud.

Feel my pain ?? I will be playing AAA GOTY contenders one after another. Its so painful. I m glad u won't ever go through thet kinda pain by playing those. Grounded /bleeding edge / battle toads at 8k and 120 fps will be painless and makes me jealous about not getting a console with 17% better gpu. U r so lucky

 

[joe_zazen]

Oh so ssd had nothing to do with this discussion u and I were having and you brought it from other threads because? Have I ever mention ssd will make the 17% gpu difference disappear? No I haven't. So again u brought it up in our conversation because ? Because u wanted to troll? Haha thanks for proving my point bud.

Feel my pain ?? I will be playing AAA GOTY contenders one after another. Its so painful. I m glad u won't ever go through thet kinda pain by playing those. Grounded /bleeding edge / battle toads at 8k and 120 fps will be painless and makes me jealous about not getting a console with 17% better gpu. U r so lucky

you can always play MS games on laggy xcloud on your phone since all xbox games will have to run on that stuff as well.

Third parties devs must be loving all the different platforms they have to support now.

 

[Mista]

I don’t think just a resolution downgrade would be fine, I think if the Lockhart managed to sell way above Xbox Series X, I think this is where we will see problems come up as developers will just focus on that HW running good rather than targeting the most powerful console Xbox has, this will definitely lower back or hold back some games, especially the ambitious ones, the XSX will just be your typical brute force machine which is garbage if you ask me.

What the hell are you even saying?! Powerful console means bigger possibility on games raising the tech bar

Brute force is now garbage eh? Never seen a more retarded logic in my life

 

[martino]

History Will remember this thread like a perfect exemple of concern trolling.
We Still miss some pseudos really concerned in all good faith

 

[phil_t98]

Just put a super fast SSD in it and it will solve all problems apparantly?

 

[LED Guy?]

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anyone buying an xsx should expect it to be the equivalent of x1x in terms of what it brings to the table: more resolution, more effects, and (sometimes) more fps. No dev will make xsx exclusives. Zero, nada.

Then that sucks, so now the same applies to PS5? Because we are talking about the base consoles (Series X and PS5) and now we have this cheap ass console Lockhart holding back the industry in some way, Goddamn it! Microsoft always have to ruin gaming one way or another.

 

[Mista]

History Will remember this thread like a perfect exemple of concern trolling.
We Still miss some pseudos really concerned in all good faith

I feel like my IQ dropped just by engaging in this thread

Just put a super fast SSD in it and it will solve all problems apparantly?

If power doesn't matter then why does Sony and Microsoft introduce a new gen every 6-7 years with more powerful machines

Why does all the tech companies even make new powerful tech at this point right? Lets just stay in one generation

Thats OPs logic...

 

[LED Guy?]

What the hell are you even saying?! Powerful console means bigger possibility on games raising the tech bar

Brute force is now garbage eh? Never seen a more retarded logic in my life

I’m saying that games aren’t going to be specifically designed for the Series X nor even the PS5 because of that garbage 4 TF console, stop getting aggressive LOL!!

 

[joe_zazen]

What the hell are you even saying?! Powerful console means bigger possibility on games raising the tech bar

Brute force is now garbage eh? Never seen a more retarded logic in my life

in a regular gen shift, sure. MS no longer plays that game. It has pluses and minuses. pluses are more users, bigger audience. Minuses are no big tech jumps. Xsx is like buying the expensive gfx card, more pixels/fps. You don’t get exclusive games.

sorry.

 

[Mista]

I’m saying that games aren’t going to be specifically designed for the Series X nor even the PS5 because of that garbage 4 TF console, stop getting aggressive LOL!!

I am not aggressive you're just not making any sense at all

No they aren't and nobody said that but they will be optimised for PS5 and XSX. LOL

 

[New Yorks Finest]

Yo you gotta be kidding yourself at this point, Rise of the Tomb Raider looked great but nowhere near Batman or The Order 1886 or Uncharted 4 or Horizon Zero Dawn, Sony exclusives have the best advancements from the gameplay and graphics standpoints, just accept it, deal with it.

Rise of the TR is held back and it really shows...

 

[Mista]

in a regular gen shift, sure. MS no longer plays that game. It has pluses and minuses. pluses are more users, bigger audience. Minuses are no big tech jumps. Xsx is like buying the expensive gfx card, more pixels/fps. You don’t get exclusive games.

sorry.

I am not talking about XSX only but that seems your biggest concern

I am talking about next-gen in general ;\

 

[LED Guy?]

I feel like my IQ dropped just by engaging in this thread

If power doesn't matter then why does Sony and Microsoft introduce a new gen every 6-7 years with more powerful machines

Why does all the tech companies even make new powerful tech at this point right? Lets just stay in one generation

Thats OPs logic...

What are you even saying now? I’m saying the Lockhart will (IN SOME WAY) hold back next generation games from being their fullest, whenever a developer is targeting a much weaker console, it will hamper down some of the things that a developer wants to achieve, even now we have most developers not wanting Xbox Lockhart because of that, this is what Jason Schreier was told by many developers.

Just accept it man, that’s the reality, and take Phil Spencer’s PR speech out of your head.

 

[joe_zazen]

Then that sucks, so now the same applies to PS5? Because we are talking about the base consoles (Series X and PS5) and now we have this cheap ass console Lockhart holding back the industry in some way, Goddamn it! Microsoft always have to ruin gaming one way or another.

yeah, third parties wont leverage ps5 till late late in gen. but you can blame lagging pcs mostly.

 

[LED Guy?]

You really need to look at the comment I replied 1st because taking things out of context is stupid.

 

[Mista]

What are you even saying now? I’m saying the Lockhart will (IN SOME WAY) hold back next generation games from being their fullest, whenever a developer is targeting a much weaker console, it will hamper down some of the things that a developer wants to achieve, even now we have most developers not wanting Xbox Lockhart because of that, this is what Jason Schreier was told by many developers.

Just accept it man, that’s the reality, and take Phil Spencer’s PR speech out of your head.

Accept what exactly? That you're full of shit and don't make any sense? Sure.

 

[LED Guy?]

Accept what exactly? That you're full of shit and don't make any sense? Sure.

OK man, whatever, you’ll just see it in the future, I’ll let the games and developer quotes do the talking.