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[hyperbertha]

The more you guys keep banging on about that SSD the more desperate it sounds. Holy shyte! Y'all straight like, "If we imagine the SSD can translate into more power, yes! Yes it does equal more flops. Maybe even 13tf!" Lol.

The power narrative is set and match. Time to let that go. Games are another matter, I agree. But, Sony won't produce the only bangers next gen either. You can count on it. Theres definitely some crazy shit coming down the pike on team Green.

Yeah owner of multiple systems here so don't bring up that bullshit with me. Objectively, what does teraflops translate into? Visuals. What does better ssd translate into? Visuals. And so far I have seen enough reason to believe the SSD can bring a more tangible benefit than resolution, so I stand by my claims.
You can go with Xbox since you already seem to have decided based on brand alone.

 

[GiJoint]

Completely forgot about Halo Infinite. What a launch title. Series X is back in the buy on launch box seat.

 

[vito_don_corleone_]

It's a good thing they have alot of other games being made.

Crackdown 3?

 

[Hobbygaming]

Seems like this upcoming gen will be a flip of current.

Xbox has the more powerful console.
Sony has the "secret sauce".

The secret sauce and the best 1P games though

 

[StreetsofBeige]

At launch the only thing that really matters is:

1. The price
2. The power of the console

Games do not matter that much at launch! Just look at the launch lineup of the PS4:

PS4 exclusive launch games from Sony back then:

Sony Computer Entertainment Titles:

Killzone Shadow Fall: 73% at Metacritic
Knack: 54% at Metacritic

at launch.

Later on, so not even at launch, we had more exclusive games like:

Driveclub 71% at Metacritic
The Order: 1886: 63% at Metacritic

So, it will take years until we see all those games you are talking about! I don't think we will see horizon 2 or god of war at launch! At least, Sony did not announce anything like that for the launch

And yes games are very important in the long run, but not at the start of the generation! And well, what did sony show though?

So far:

Godfall
Quantum Error

Do these games convince people to get a PS5 at launch? Will people buy a PS5 for these games? Can you compare those games to The Last of Us Part II? I doubt it.
I hope that Sony will announce more games for launch, there is still plenty of time, but well, the last console launch didn't really have acclaimed games.

Xbox on the contrary has Halo Infinite confirmed for console launch, this games has been in development since 2015, so, I think this will convince at least a few people to get a new xbox. And MS bought a lot of new studios, who are working on new games, and I hope MS will also unveil more games around June.

100% agree.

You can add hype too.

As you said, the launch games for both systems were meh. Forza 5 was probably the best one. And even that wasn't that great.

In that first year, nobody even cared about mentioning these launch games since they weren't very good. And Drivceclub didn't come out for another year, since Sony sneakily delayed it at the last minute when they should already have had tons of boxed copies ready to go.

Instead it was 1080p vs 900p for AAA budget games. And sometimes comparing LoD and AF.

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

Power is great and all but honestly that was never my issue with the Xbox platform. This is coming from someone who bought Sea of thieves at launch as well as the usual suspects.

Games have been their problem. Having all that power without the games to utilize it is absolutely pointless. I know they've purchased a few studios but we won't know if those pay off for quite awhile.

 

[TheStruggler]

If you're talking about sales the gen was already decided by then. The One X wasn't going to change that.

In terms of them being host to the best looking third party games then yes, it did alot. If you, as a consumer, want the best looking third party games on console then you get an Xbox. If you don't care about power then keep playing on your Atari 2600.

No generation is decided until the end, if that was the case then the 360 would have def won especially for being a year out before the ps3 as well as having a better library of games in the beginning. But they got complacent and when xbox was winding down sony picked up the pace and edged them out, no generation has ever been decided by power. Its always been about price and exclusive games.

If that case for the one x I would say the consumer lost out on that bet because they didt have any stellar exclusives that took advantage of the hardware as well as third parties trying to push pixels to much to the point where games on the pro ran better framrate wise.

 

[sendit]

Thy were confident in the balanced hardware last Gen and in Kinect. We both know how that went.

Pretty unbalanced if you asked me.

Top Xbox Franchises released on the Xbox One:

- 5 Halos
Halo: Spartan Assault
Halo: The Master Chief Collection
Halo 5: Guardians
Halo Wars 2
Halo Infinite

- 2 Gears
Gears 4
Gears 5
Gears Tactics

- 7 Forzas
Forza 5
Forza 6
Forza 7
Forza Horizon 2
Forza Horizon 2: Presents Fast and Furious
Forza Horizon 3
Forza Horizon 4

At face value, this is incredibly unbalanced. Microsoft needs to release 4 more Gears and 2 more Halos.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Pretty unbalanced if you asked me.

Top Xbox Franchises released on the Xbox One:

- 5 Halos
Halo: Spartan Assault
Halo: The Master Chief Collection
Halo 5: Guardians
Halo Wars 2

- 2 Gears
Gears 4
Gears 5

- 7 Forzas
Forza 5
Forza 6
Forza 7
Forza Horizon 2
Forza Horizon 2: Presents Fast and Furious
Forza Horizon 3
Forza Horizon 5

At face value, this is incredibly unbalanced. Microsoft needs to release 5 more Gears and 2 more Halos.

PS4 has 8 baseball games, and all the other franchises had 1 game (God of War and LoU both had a remaster, so 1.5 each).

That's unbalanced.

 

[Hobbygaming]

The more you guys keep banging on about that SSD the more desperate it sounds. Holy shyte! Y'all straight like, "If we imagine the SSD can translate into more power, yes! Yes it does equal more flops. Maybe even 13tf!" Lol.

The power narrative is set and match. Time to let that go. Games are another matter, I agree. But, Sony won't produce the only bangers next gen either. You can count on it. Theres definitely some crazy shit coming down the pike on team Green.

The million dollar question is can MS 1st party studios match what Sony's Worldwide studios can do with the hardware

Naughty Dog
Insomniac Games
Sucker Punch
Sony Santa Monica
Sony Bend
Guerrilla Games
Kojima Pro (3rd party but likely making another PS exclusive)

 

[Sosokrates]

That's not how it happens. I've yet to see any kind of huge recovery like that. Blackberry still exists, but they are a shell. Nokia still exists, but a shell. XBox seems to be headed down that same road. Super niche.

So sony do practically the same thing and they are guaranteed success?
You clearly have double standards.

 

[sendit]

PS4 has 8 baseball games, and all the other franchises had 1 game (God of War and LoU both had a remaster, so 1.5 each).

That's unbalanced.

Well played.

 

[Sosokrates]

Brainwashed you are you sad sad balls deep fanboy.
Since 2017 xbox dominates power. Where are your games where are your 40milliin users that xbox will get back?
If it didnt happen with xonex what makes you think it will happen now? Why did no one switch already?

Xbox has no games period.
You will see a bunch of effort in the first year like it was the case with xone and then it will fade away cuz of small user base and it will be just a third party machine again.

Reported, if my posts get deleted for similar behaviour, i sure hope this one does too.

 

[Jtibh]

At launch the only thing that really matters is:

1. The price
2. The power of the console

Games do not matter that much at launch! Just look at the launch lineup of the PS4:

PS4 exclusive launch games from Sony back then:

Sony Computer Entertainment Titles:

Killzone Shadow Fall: 73% at Metacritic
Knack: 54% at Metacritic

at launch.

Later on, so not even at launch, we had more exclusive games like:

Driveclub 71% at Metacritic
The Order: 1886: 63% at Metacritic

So, it will take years until we see all those games you are talking about! I don't think we will see horizon 2 or god of war at launch! At least, Sony did not announce anything like that for the launch

And yes games are very important in the long run, but not at the start of the generation! And well, what did sony show though?

So far:

Godfall
Quantum Error

Do these games convince people to get a PS5 at launch? Will people buy a PS5 for these games? Can you compare those games to The Last of Us Part II? I doubt it.
I hope that Sony will announce more games for launch, there is still plenty of time, but well, the last console launch didn't really have acclaimed games.

Xbox on the contrary has Halo Infinite confirmed for console launch, this games has been in development since 2015, so, I think this will convince at least a few people to get a new xbox. And MS bought a lot of new studios, who are working on new games, and I hope MS will also unveil more games around June.

Well i agree .

Both had bad launch line ups and both were not worth the purchase till a year in.

But at least i can expect from sony to co tinue support of first party titles till the very end which you cant say from xbox

 

[sendit]

Reported, if my posts get deleted for similar behaviour, i sure hope this one does too.

 

[LittleBusters]

So sony do practically the same thing and they are guaranteed success?
You clearly have double standards.

Sony in gaming as of 2020 is like Apple in smartphones. Unassailable, supreme. It will take something unforeseen to knock them off that perch. It's not up to XBox, they do not have their fate in their own hands.

 

[PocoJoe]

The more you guys keep banging on about that SSD the more desperate it sounds. Holy shyte! Y'all straight like, "If we imagine the SSD can translate into more power, yes! Yes it does equal more flops. Maybe even 13tf!" Lol.

The power narrative is set and match. Time to let that go. Games are another matter, I agree. But, Sony won't produce the only bangers next gen either. You can count on it. Theres definitely some crazy shit coming down the pike on team Green.

Do you know what sounds desperate?

This xbox-fanboys defensive attitude that when anything about PS5 is mentioned, someone(s) HAVE TO start the mantra of "12 tflops > 10, SSD means nothing, damage control, desperatiooooon LOL LOL"

Nobody (most likely) claims that PS5 will have more tflops (than xsex), or "13tflops lol", if people mention that tech / custom stuff inside PS5 could have potential to do this and that, it have literally nothing to do with xbox, why is it so difficult to understand? Cant see trough your own agenda of "lol we won" or what is it?

Lets speculate that xsex would be 2x weaker than it is now, would it change the talk about PS5 ssd/other stuff and what it can mean to games vs. PS5 without this tech?

Or xsex would be 2x more powerful than it is?

No it would not, unbelievable how hard headed some people can be, world doesn't spin around xbox, yet way too many think that it is because you and many others just cant see PS5 as PS5, you see it as "PS5 versus xsex fight till death"

It sounds like some kind of religion when people just cant fucking snap out of their brain dead algorithm of "PS5+SSD -> must compare it to xboooox, xbooox gooooood"

Like, can you comprehend the idea of talking about device and it's specs without having an agenda or having to compare it to other devices? looks like you cant.

It's sad to read this fud week after week, where xbots read everything as "they are trying to say that ps5 is stronger than xsex in tflops, must defend!", while I have yet read any messages about someone claiming this.

it is really simple:
tflops: xsex > ps5
cpu: xsex > ps5
ssd: ps5 > xsex
audio: ps5 > xsex

So why talking about ps5 specs makes you so angry and defensive?

And if/when it is a fact that one SSD+I/O is faster than another, then it is completely understandable that it could affect things.

Because there is this thing called "speculation", it means that we take the impartial info we have at the moment, and think what it could mean in the future, when we have all the info and tests out. And no, it doesnt mean that people are comparing ps5 to xsex from other than ssd stand point or just speculate what PS5 can offer for devs(without caring about xsex)

People just want to compare PS5 with and without customization (to PS5).

To the thread, yeah CEOs rarely say that "our competitor have the better console", but as we know consoles wont sell consoles, games do.

Otherwise switch would sell nothing if specs would matter so much to the general audience.

In the end one brand is highly popular on global market and one isnt, few tflops or faster ssd probably wont affect that much, table is kind of set already since last 4 gens and if the underdog wants to "win" then they must have much more than just the better console

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Well i agree .

Both had bad launch line ups and both were not worth the purchase till a year in.

But at least i can expect from sony to co tinue support of first party titles till the very end which you cant say from xbox

Depends what you mean by "support".

MS releases more sequels to their games than Sony does. And compared to PS3, Sony gutted a lot of franchises and genres. By the looks of it during PS4's 7 year duration (PS5 comes out in the fall), games like God of War, Uncharted, LoU, GT only got one true sequel. LoU and God of War got a remaster and Uncharted got Lost Legacy spinoff. And that even assumes LoU 2 even comes out this year.

As for "online support", hands down MS keeps their MP lobbies active longer too.

 

[Jtibh]

Depends what you mean by "support".

MS releases more sequels to their games than Sony does. And compared to PS3, Sony gutted a lot of franchises and genres. By the looks of it during PS4's 7 year duration (PS5 comes out in the fall), games like God of War, Uncharted, LoU, GT only got one true sequel. LoU and God of War got a remaster and Uncharted got Lost Legacy spinoff. And that even assumes LoU 2 even comes out this year.

As for "online support", hands down MS keeps their MP lobbies active longer too.

Cant argue with this.
This gens output was shit. We didnt even get a new gta game whats up with that.
And yeah barelly any sequels to new ip s.

But at least we had solid titles and some new great ones like horizon spiderman detroit etc etc.

Other than gears 5 i have a hard time listing any great highly rated titles

 

[Gavon West]

Do you know what sounds desperate?

This xbox-fanboys defensive attitude that when anything about PS5 is mentioned, someone(s) HAVE TO start the mantra of "12 tflops > 10, SSD means nothing, damage control, desperatiooooon LOL LOL"

Nobody (most likely) claims that PS5 will have more tflops (than xsex), or "13tflops lol", if people mention that tech / custom stuff inside PS5 could have potential to do this and that, it have literally nothing to do with xbox, why is it so difficult to understand? Cant see trough your own agenda of "lol we won" or what is it?

Lets speculate that xsex would be 2x weaker than it is now, would it change the talk about PS5 ssd/other stuff and what it can mean to games vs. PS5 without this tech?

Or xsex would be 2x more powerful than it is?

No it would not, unbelievable how hard headed some people can be, world doesn't spin around xbox, yet way too many think that it is because you and many others just cant see PS5 as PS5, you see it as "PS5 versus xsex fight till death"

It sounds like some kind of religion when people just cant fucking snap out of their brain dead algorithm of "PS5+SSD -> must compare it to xboooox, xbooox gooooood"

Like, can you comprehend the idea of talking about device and it's specs without having an agenda or having to compare it to other devices? looks like you cant.

It's sad to read this fud week after week, where xbots read everything as "they are trying to say that ps5 is stronger than xsex in tflops, must defend!", while I have yet read any messages about someone claiming this.

it is really simple:
tflops: xsex > ps5
cpu: xsex > ps5
ssd: ps5 > xsex
audio: ps5 > xsex

So why talking about ps5 specs makes you so angry and defensive?

And if/when it is a fact that one SSD+I/O is faster than another, then it is completely understandable that it could affect things.

Because there is this thing called "speculation", it means that we take the impartial info we have at the moment, and think what it could mean in the future, when we have all the info and tests out. And no, it doesnt mean that people are comparing ps5 to xsex

People just want to compare PS5 with and without customization (to PS5).

To the thread, yeah CEOs rarely say that "our competitor have the better console", but as we know consoles wont sell consoles, games do.

Otherwise switch would sell nothing if specs would matter so much to the general audience.

You know what else sounds desperate? This long drawn out attempt to try and explain this esoteric, hidden secret sauce BS Sony fans keep pushing. There's no need to defend the Series X, that's definitely some shit you done cooked up in your brain my guy. When you own the narrative, nothing else needs be said.

Even the SSD push from Sony fans is just basic shit you wanna see. Both consoles will deliver on the SSD technology.

Defensive... Psh! Yikes! Lol

 

[Jtibh]

Reported, if my posts get deleted for similar behaviour, i sure hope this one does too.

You incite console wars and you should be removed from thread.
Period

 

[Hobbygaming]

Do you know what sounds desperate?

This xbox-fanboys defensive attitude that when anything about PS5 is mentioned, someone(s) HAVE TO start the mantra of "12 tflops > 10, SSD means nothing, damage control, desperatiooooon LOL LOL"

Nobody (most likely) claims that PS5 will have more tflops (than xsex), or "13tflops lol", if people mention that tech / custom stuff inside PS5 could have potential to do this and that, it have literally nothing to do with xbox, why is it so difficult to understand? Cant see trough your own agenda of "lol we won" or what is it?

Lets speculate that xsex would be 2x weaker than it is now, would it change the talk about PS5 ssd/other stuff and what it can mean to games vs. PS5 without this tech?

Or xsex would be 2x more powerful than it is?

No it would not, unbelievable how hard headed some people can be, world doesn't spin around xbox, yet way too many think that it is because you and many others just cant see PS5 as PS5, you see it as "PS5 versus xsex fight till death"

It sounds like some kind of religion when people just cant fucking snap out of their brain dead algorithm of "PS5+SSD -> must compare it to xboooox, xbooox gooooood"

Like, can you comprehend the idea of talking about device and it's specs without having an agenda or having to compare it to other devices? looks like you cant.

It's sad to read this fud week after week, where xbots read everything as "they are trying to say that ps5 is stronger than xsex in tflops, must defend!", while I have yet read any messages about someone claiming this.

it is really simple:
tflops: xsex > ps5
cpu: xsex > ps5
ssd: ps5 > xsex
audio: ps5 > xsex

So why talking about ps5 specs makes you so angry and defensive?

And if/when it is a fact that one SSD+I/O is faster than another, then it is completely understandable that it could affect things.

Because there is this thing called "speculation", it means that we take the impartial info we have at the moment, and think what it could mean in the future, when we have all the info and tests out. And no, it doesnt mean that people are comparing ps5 to xsex

People just want to compare PS5 with and without customization (to PS5).

To the thread, yeah CEOs rarely say that "our competitor have the better console", but as we know consoles wont sell consoles, games do.

Otherwise switch would sell nothing if specs would matter so much to the general audience.

This comment is the 100% truth. Some people want to believe that PS5 will have zero advantages, but it will have some, even if those advantages are only used for exclusives

 

[Gavon West]

The million dollar question is can MS 1st party studios match what Sony's Worldwide studios can do with the hardware

Naughty Dog
Insomniac Games
Sucker Punch
Sony Santa Monica
Sony Bend
Guerrilla Games
Kojima Pro (3rd party but likely making another PS exclusive)

Um.... Yeah!

Not gonna post list wars. That seems super silly when you're in a thread about not worrying about being the most powerful. That may be just me tho...

 

[StreetsofBeige]

This gens output was shit. We didnt even get a new gta game whats up with that.

I agree with this.

Out of every new gen of gaming, got to say this one was the most unspectacular. And it's not because I'm playing less as I get older. Just seemed like so many games (especially the top franchises) were just buffed up last gen games.

 

[Hobbygaming]

Um.... Yeah!

Not gonna post list wars. That seems super silly when you're in a thread about not worrying about being the most powerful. That may be just me tho...

They go hand and hand though. Power doesn't mean much if it isn't utilized

 

[dEvAnGeL]

Is bottlenecks the new console war buzzword ?

So what you're saying is Microsoft is not taking advantage of their power and prioritizing the wrong parts of the pipeline. Instant loading will be the buzzword for 2020 when PS5 is shown later this year and nobody will talk about resolution/frame-rate. As if those things never mattered. Only non-existent loading time.

You have a crazy storyline up in your head, what i meant is the FACT that they are developing their first party games for all their consoles, it means devs will always code to the lower denominator, so the series X will get current gen ports at higher res/framerate.

 

[Gavon West]

They go hand and hand though. Power doesn't mean much if it isn't utilized

Are you suggesting the power in Series X won't be utilized in 1st and 3rd party Ip's..? You're joking, right??

 

[Jtibh]

I agree with this.

Out of every new gen of gaming, got to say this one was the most unspectacular. And it's not because I'm playing less as I get older. Just seemed like so many games (especially the top franchises) were just buffed up last gen games.

Well thisbis why i am worried about having consoles with such a large power gap from last gen.

We never tapped into ps4 pro or xbox x other then highre res and framrates.
What a waste.

Now we have consoles 10 times as powerfull as the previous gen.
How long and how expensive will development for new titles be?

If this is the trend next gen will have 1 new title every year or will end up call of duty and mlb only machines.

This is where i have big fait in indy studios and AA studios .

And yeah i want a new gta. They can keep red dead what a pile of shit

 

[scydrex]

You know what else sounds desperate? This long drawn out attempt to try and explain this esoteric, hidden secret sauce BS Sony fans keep pushing. There's no need to defend the Series X, that's definitely some shit you done cooked up in your brain my guy. When you own the narrative, nothing else needs be said.

Even the SSD push from Sony fans is just basic shit you wanna see. Both consoles will deliver on the SSD technology.

Defensive... Psh! Yikes! Lol

How do you know if the SSD from Sony is just basic shit? Why are you so sure? Have any info or data? Are you a Dev or have work with the PS5? Please share the data or info. Don't we just have to wait and see? Until we have more info or devs show some demo of what the SSD from Sony can do before saying is basic shit? I'm a PS fan but i will not say anything until Sony show what that SSD can do before i give my opinion.

 

[LittleBusters]

You have a crazy storyline up in your head, what i meant is the FACT that they are developing their first party games for all their consoles, it means devs will always code to the lower denominator, so the series X will get current gen ports at higher res/framerate.

Will they really? Because I kept hearing from late 2017 when XBox One X came out that multiplats were being locked to a lower res/frame-rate to accommodate PS4 Pro. Which makes sense given multiplats sell at 2.5x the amount on that platform. The real question going forward given some of the articles I've seen is wholesale 3rd party devs are thinking about abandoning XBox altogether as not worth the investment. That Crytek developer stands out as a canary in the coal mine.

 

[LittleBusters]

How do you know if the SSD from Sony is just basic shit? Why are you so sure? Have any info or data? Are you a Dev or have work with the PS5? Please share the data or info. Don't we just have to wait and see? Until more info or devs show demo of what the SSD SSD from Sony can do before saying is basic shit?

The PS5 SSD is anything but basic shit. It's a very expensive proprietary solution that will take some effort to get 100% advantage of. Just like the 'Velocity Architecture' on XBox Series X, loads of investments required to fully take advantage. Anyone claiming otherwise is just console warring.

 

[Mod of War]

Just a reminder to keep it civil in here, and not antagonize or throw around juvenile insults.

Thank you, and have a fantastic day!

 

[Gavon West]

How do you know if the SSD from Sony is just basic shit? Why are you so sure? Have any info or data? Are you a Dev or have work with the PS5? Please share the data or info. Don't we just have to wait and see? Until more info or devs show demo of what the SSD SSD from Sony can do before saying is basic shit?

Bruh, when that beloved SSD in the PS5 amounts to a whopping 4 whole seconds faster load time than the competition (if that) then you can quarrel.

EDIT; I didn't mean to say "basic" in my last post. Typo. My bad. The SSD in the PS5 and Series X is anything but basic. But it won't do all that some are suggesting.

 

[Smoke6]

It's a good thing they have alot of other games being made.

That’s great!

I’d sure like to start seeing them

 

[MasterCornholio]

This comment is the 100% truth. Some people want to believe that PS5 will have zero advantages, but it will have some, even if those advantages are only used for exclusives

I can definitely agree that each system has its strength and it's weaknesses. What bugs me is when some people can't accept that and they constantly make stuff up to support their system. This goes for both sides BTW.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Well thisbis why i am worried about having consoles with such a large power gap from last gen.

We never tapped into ps4 pro or xbox x other then highre res and framrates.
What a waste.

Now we have consoles 10 times as powerfull as the previous gen.
How long and how expensive will development for new titles be?

If this is the trend next gen will have 1 new title every year or will end up call of duty and mlb only machines.

This is where i have big fait in indy studios and AA studios .

And yeah i want a new gta. They can keep red dead what a pile of shit

If much more powerful machines, there's going to be two logical choices devs do:

1. Create new IPs, better AI, more fun gameplay, as well as improve the visuals and frames

2. Most devs will take existing games and structure, and buffed it out with ray tracing and call it a day

If I had to bet my mortgage, I'd say #2.

 

[Hobbygaming]

Are you suggesting the power in Series X won't be utilized in 1st and 3rd party Ip's..? You're joking, right??

Sony have the better talent IMO. There's also a few variables when it comes to next generation. How much focus will be on gamepass, how many games have to also release on last gen consoles

 

[Jtibh]

I can definitely agree that each system has its strength and it's weaknesses. What bugs me is when some people can't accept that and they constantly make stuff up to support their system. This goes for both sides BTW.

What bugs me is xbox fans are hung up on the power gap. And crap on every thread that has anything positive to say about the ps5.

What i gather from sony and xbox is they both go a different direction.
Ps5 is all about ps5 games with no effort put into cross gen where as xbox is like a whole 2 gen family situation so most titles have to play accross all of their plattforms.

Also ps5 is more designed for certain type of games where the ssd will come to play such travel from space to space in seconds with everything loaded in right there right now maybe like in beyond good and evil or star citizen etc.
Maybe try new genres i dont know. What i know they try something new at the cost of power.

Xbox is more of the same but with the chance to bring the best looking third party games with the best online and very close to high end pc's.
Anyone without a pc looking for best graphics will have to go xbox.

If both sides would agree to this we could close most of these threads and focus on the games which sadly there are none for now.

 

[scydrex]

Bruh, when that beloved SSD in the PS5 amounts to a whopping 4 whole seconds faster load time than the competition (if that) then you can quarrel.

EDIT; I didn't mean to say "basic" in my last post. Typo. My bad. The SSD in the PS5 and Series X is anything but basic. But it won't do all that some are suggesting.

The loading is the only thing we know. Did you watch or read what Cerny talked about the SSD? Is it not fare to give them some time and wait for them to show if anything of what Cerny talked is true? Cerny talked is not just with the loading. So i think we have to wait and see for ourselves if that SSD is worthy or not.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

You have a crazy storyline up in your head, what i meant is the FACT that they are developing their first party games for all their consoles, it means devs will always code to the lower denominator, so the series X will get current gen ports at higher res/framerate.

Here's how the development pipeline will most likely work. Native development of 1st party titles targets XSX as the baseline, with pretty much every aspect of the game engine (not just graphics, but other things like AI, game logic, physics models etc). scalable towards the lower-performing XBO and X platforms. There is no reality where they will develop on XBO as the base and simply scale up to XSX, or hold back game design on XSX to accommodate downscaling to the other platforms.

There are other aspects to their strategy not even known at the time. For example, have they reconsidered the native downports to XBO and X? Will the downports be handled in-house or contracted to outside studios (like what they did for Forza Horizon 2)? Will there be a timed delay between the XSX and other versions? We can extend this to other devices too: will MS stagger Xcloud streaming support between Xbox ecosystem, PC and approved third-party devices that can support the streaming? Will native ports to PC be day-and-date for all titles or just select ones? Etc. etc.

These are all valid questions to ask because some of the comments originally made in this matter are very old and plans might've changed. For instance, they recently just rescinded on the idea of future ports to the Nintendo Switch. So it's possible they might be reconsidering certain ways they implement cross-gen support and day-and-date ports with PC even at this current time. Until definitive statements are out on that regard we shouldn't talk about a lot of this stuff as if it's set in stone; policy strategies are quite easier to change than physical hardware specs or game code.

What bugs me is xbox fans are hung up on the power gap. And crap on every thread that has anything positive to say about the ps5.

What i gather from sony and xbox is they both go a different direction.
Ps5 is all about ps5 games with no effort put into cross gen where as xbox is like a whole 2 gen family situation so most titles have to play accross all of their plattforms.

Also ps5 is more designed for certain type of games where the ssd will come to play such travel from space to space in seconds with everything loaded in right there right now maybe like in beyond good and evil or star citizen etc.
Maybe try new genres i dont know. What i know they try something new at the cost of power.

Xbox is more of the same but with the chance to bring the best looking third party games with the best online and very close to high end pc's.
Anyone without a pc looking for best graphics will have to go xbox.

If both sides would agree to this we could close most of these threads and focus on the games which sadly there are none for now.

This oversimplifies the approach on both sides, however, which is why you're not going to get a situation where everyone agrees on it.

Cross-en for example. We already know PS5 will have a big cross-gen focus at least for the first year. Outriders and TLOU2 are two examples (the latter a very big one, because it's practically a given TLOU2 will have a PS5 version). We might also get PS5 versions of Ghosts of Tsushima as well, maybe even ports (or PS5 patched version updates) for SpiderMan too.

Games like Beyond Good and Evil and Star Citizen are going to be just as capable on XSX's SSD and I/O system as well, so it's really odd to use those as examples the way you did. You will see things that PS5's overall better SSD setup allow for in terms of visuals and game-design, same way how we will see things that XSX's overall better GPU setup allows for in terms of visuals and game-design (GPGPU programming).

Both systems are deviating from "more of the same", they just have some different visions in doing so. If XSX were doing literally the same thing as whatever else is on the market, they would not be customizing their silicon, and could literally just buy up PC parts from other manufacturers, stick them in a box and drop Windows 10 in there, call it a day. But they aren't. Neither is Sony, but let's not act as if they aren't taking any cues from the PC side of things as well, as they are. Both are using PC architecture technology at the root of their designs when you get down to it, but they're spinning some custom approaches on top related to their specific needs.

 

[Caio]

XSX is more powerful, an amazing piece of Hardware, I think the most impressive of any generation so far, according to the time of release, but mostly I do care about games, and I hope MS will put effort in delivering new IPs and AAA Games in general.

I'm very curious about Halo Infinite, and dreaming it will be what Halo was for the first XBox... am I hoping for too much ?

Anyway, competition is so good for all us, and hopefully it's a strong incentive for MS and Sony to do better and deliver a true next gen experience. The hardware is there, now it's up to them to bring out the true soul of the two respective consoles. I want bad a killer app on Day One, this should be a must with any new Generation. The little problem is, XSX is so much more powerful than XBox One in both CPU/GPU processing power, and if you add the Velocity Architecture (SSD, BCpack,, texture sampler steaming, etc) how the hell can you make a true Next Gen game if it has to run on the base XBox One as well ? We have scalabilty, that's for sure, but to a certain extent, and if you want to really develop an evolutionary/revolutionary Game in terms of Gameplay mechanics, animations, Physics, system collision, AI, and much more complex alive interactions among Characters/objects/environment, you MUST develop with XSX in mind, and make it exclusive for it. BC is cool for many, but it has a serious downside. In few words, You can't have your cake and eat it too ;D

I'm confident both MS and Sony will deliver amazing things this Gen, and I cannot wait. I'm so excited.

 

[hunthunt]

Arrogant Microsoft is back

 

[Jtibh]

If much more powerful machines, there's going to be two logical choices devs do:

1. Create new IPs, better AI, more fun gameplay, as well as improve the visuals and frames

2. Most devs will take existing games and structure, and buffed it out with ray tracing and call it a day

If I had to bet my mortgage, I'd say #2.

Yeah but thats not very innovative isnt it?

But you will be 100 percent correct.
Me too believe that in the first years that will be the case to generate income and donw the road we will see true next gen games .

 

[Sosokrates]

You incite console wars and you should be removed from thread.
Period

Just because you disagree with somone it does not mean they inciting console wars, grow up dude.

 

[Tomeru]

Sad time to be alive.

 

[Caio]

Here's how the development pipeline will most likely work. Native development of 1st party titles targets XSX as the baseline, with pretty much every aspect of the game engine (not just graphics, but other things like AI, game logic, physics models etc). scalable towards the lower-performing XBO and X platforms. There is no reality where they will develop on XBO as the base and simply scale up to XSX, or hold back game design on XSX to accommodate downscaling to the other platforms.

There are other aspects to their strategy not even known at the time. For example, have they reconsidered the native downports to XBO and X? Will the downports be handled in-house or contracted to outside studios (like what they did for Forza Horizon 2)? Will there be a timed delay between the XSX and other versions? We can extend this to other devices too: will MS stagger Xcloud streaming support between Xbox ecosystem, PC and approved third-party devices that can support the streaming? Will native ports to PC be day-and-date for all titles or just select ones? Etc. etc.

These are all valid questions to ask because some of the comments originally made in this matter are very old and plans might've changed. For instance, they recently just rescinded on the idea of future ports to the Nintendo Switch. So it's possible they might be reconsidering certain ways they implement cross-gen support and day-and-date ports with PC even at this current time. Until definitive statements are out on that regard we shouldn't talk about a lot of this stuff as if it's set in stone; policy strategies are quite easier to change than physical hardware specs or game code.

""Here's how the development pipeline will most likely work. Native development of 1st party titles targets XSX as the baseline, with pretty much every aspect of the game engine (not just graphics, but other things like AI, game logic, physics models etc). scalable towards the lower-performing XBO and X platforms. There is no reality where they will develop on XBO as the base and simply scale up to XSX, or hold back game design on XSX to accommodate downscaling to the other platforms.""

What you said is very interesting, and it's exactly the point I was trying to make. But, if XSX is indeed extremely more powerful and advanced than the base XBox One, can scalability do miracles ?

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

This is GAF. After continuously validating each other for the last few weeks, XSX is a heavily bottlenecked weaker console and everything he says is PR(although technically everything we know about PS5 is from PR).

Anyone can take an extreme and make it seem like that's what GAF in general is saying. Doesn't make it true. XSX is more powerful. The debate is how much or how noticable it will be

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

No, they weren't. Stop with the lying and exaggerating.

But if I compared them side by side I could notice like...an effect that was off!

 

[Sosokrates]

By the looks of it, you haven't tried any, other than in your console warring mind. Pathetic.

Incorrect, I still have my launch 60gb PS3 which still works, touch wood and i also have a ps4 pro both great consoles, and im sorry about my hyperbole, however most 3rd party games did look noticeably worse on the PS3, it did get better at the backend of the gen though.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

""Here's how the development pipeline will most likely work. Native development of 1st party titles targets XSX as the baseline, with pretty much every aspect of the game engine (not just graphics, but other things like AI, game logic, physics models etc). scalable towards the lower-performing XBO and X platforms. There is no reality where they will develop on XBO as the base and simply scale up to XSX, or hold back game design on XSX to accommodate downscaling to the other platforms.""

What you said is very interesting, and it's exactly the point I was trying to make. But, if XSX is indeed extremely more powerful and advanced than the base XBox One, can scalability do miracles ?

Well that's the thing about cross-gen downports: they're going to sacrifice in certain things in order to run on the older system, but that doesn't necessarily hold back the next-gen versions.

This is a VERY old example, but consider Sonic the Hedgehog on MegaDrive. That had a Master System version, too . Now, Sonic 1 was pretty revolutionary for its time and pushed MegaDrive to new technological levels, and that was not impeded in any way by a Master System version of the game being available. A version that plays so differently in a lot of ways that it can be considered its own spin on the game, and yet co-exist with the MegaDrive one.

That's the worst-case scenario I see in terms of cross-gen support between XSX and XBO/X. You have other things to consider too, like the older-gen versions being handled by different teams, which frees up the next-gen teams to focus on simply that next-gen version of the game. Cross-gen downporting basically becomes a game of baselining for the next-gen as default and deciding what's an acceptable attempt at parity for the older versions. If those versions can hit that target, great! If they can't, oh well! That's why the next-gen version (i.e the real version) exists in the first place