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MilkyJoe
Member
Let's hope it changes it for the better. China does not do social justice politics
one of my friend told me ,he doesn't feel comfortable with the social environment in china but in technology and entertainment china is somehow leading the world from past 5 years I guess .
nush
Member
China are building movie theatres at an incredible rate, I'd say just over ten years ago only the biggest and most prestigious malls would have a movie theatre. Now they come virtually as standard even for small malls.
Going to the movies in China is now seen as part of the aspirational western lifestyle along with car ownership and owning western branded products by the younger generation and the new money people.
However if the China market does get big enough there's nothing to stop studios making a China version of a movie just for that market and having the propaganda free version for the rest of the world. Nothing except trying to save some money that is.
termos
Banned
well that's one of leading talent a progressive country should have
Ulysses 31
Member
Afraid it's not going to happen. People hoped that western values would find a way into China with their economy getting bigger and make them less communist but it's more likely that China's state authoritarianism is making head way into western countries.
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MilkyJoe
Member
Yeah, I'm hoping it wipes out social justice messages from movies
Ulysses 31
Member
Not sure if Chinese authoritarian statism is any better.
Shizumapower
Member
I have it on very good authority that within 20 years, everyone will be speaking German. Or a Chinese-German hybrid.
sol_bad
Member
What exactly has changed though?
I am not sure but i heard a story from few of my friends in kyoto they said : project scarlett was created by china , Even many rich china people are paying to pewdipie so that he can make laugh on games , movies and story . well that's one of truth we all know its all happen because of paid media in social market. but rapidly its leading in china that affecting whole entertainment community of world .
apart of country progress that is understood , every country only progress because of self empowerment and unity in people
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
If they keep it up, they'll beat America to the culture victory.
Darkmakaimura
Member
They ain't got no time for baizuo.
Papa
Banned
Why make the other version at all at that point?
Papa
Banned
Why are you so stubbornly obtuse in every thread on such topics? Charter boat? What charter boat?
eventually it is true and in future for sure that will happen .
Greedings
Member
It's literally this simple.
Couple that with the government having the ability to just shut things down whenever they want. So, you can't afford to piss of China, or your multimillion dollar movie might not even get a release if the politburo decides against it, shutting you out of potential billions of revenue.
sol_bad
Member
The topic is about western movies changing for Chinese audiences isn't it? I honestly have no idea what has apparently changed in film over the past 10 years or so.
Papa
Banned
Because you have your fingers in your ears singing la la la. It’s fine if you want to ignore it — I get it. This shit is exhausting. Just don’t try to convince others that 2+2=5.
sol_bad
Member
I mean, I know Iron Man 3 got an alternate ending in China, that doesn't affect the west though. And I know Transformers 4 had it's last act filmed in China for China, Transformers is huge in China (the toys) though so that makes sense.
I can't think of any other examples.
Papa
Banned
If you think the financial pressure of having to create multiple versions of films to appease CCP censors doesn’t affect the west, then you’re an idiot.
nush
Member
Product placement is what you can see. What's been removed is what you can't.
It's been going on for a long long time before people really started to notice. How many people noticed this from Avengers 1?
That's a Chinese brand dairy product company. On a train, on a train in RUSSIA! Actually a fun project would be to go through the whole MCU and catch all the Chinese product placement.
exactly these projects was although idea behind the avengers series as well and produced by at first china only , and technology are growing on large scale in country first than its leading in other countries .Product placement is what you can see. What's been removed is what you can't.
It's been going on for a long long time before people really started to notice. How many people noticed this from Avengers 1?
That's a Chinese brand dairy product company. On a train, on a train in RUSSIA! Actually a fun project would be to go through the whole MCU and catch all the Chinese product placement.
sol_bad
Member
As long as it doesn't affect the western release, why does it matter? All movies in all countries are censored for various reasons. And since B Bush brought up the movie, the scene where Loki gets stabbed in Avengers 1 was censored in the American theatrical release. The Australian and UK theatrical versions etc were uncensored.
And this something that affected a western release, in the good old US of A no less. It goes to show how dumb the American ratings board actually is.
Product placement is what you can see. What's been removed is what you can't.
It's been going on for a long long time before people really started to notice. How many people noticed this from Avengers 1?
That's a Chinese brand dairy product company. On a train, on a train in RUSSIA! Actually a fun project would be to go through the whole MCU and catch all the Chinese product placement.
It's literally a blink and you'll miss it moment, I've probably watched the film about 20 times and never noticed that. I don't see how this has any impact on the story though. Does it matter if adverts from other countries are in a film? Would it matter if we saw a character drinking a Pure Blonde beer in an American based film?
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Papa
Banned
As long as it doesn't affect the western release, why does it matter? All movies in all countries are censored for various reasons. And since B Bush brought up the movie, the scene where Loki gets stabbed in Avengers 1 was censored in the American theatrical release. The Australian and UK theatrical versions etc were uncensored.
And this something that affected a western release, in the good old US of A no less. I goes to show how dumb the American ratings board actually is.
It's literally a blink and you'll miss it moment, I've probably watched the film about 20 times and never noticed that. I don't see how this has any impact on the story though. Does it matter if adverts from other countries are in a film? Would it matter if we saw a character drinking a Pure Blonde beer in an American based film?
I think you’re one of these people that can barely see past the end of his nose. You need to look at where it’s likely to go, not where you believe it currently is.
You’re asking us to demonstrate to you the existence of something when the non-existence is the problem. We therefore have to take a rational approach and extrapolate from the evidence we have. For example:
We know that the CCP experts influence on western film studios.
We also know that the CCP doesn’t like criticism of China.
Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that western film studios will censor themselves when it comes to criticism of China.
This results in sanitized media and an uneven cultural playing field.
Another example:
We know that Chinese audiences don’t like black people.
Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that fewer black people will be cast in films targeting the Chinese market.
Perhaps the moral fortitude of western film studios (lol) can resist this at this point in time, but what happens as the Chinese market grows and the western market stagnates? Do you believe that the moral fortitude will continue to resist such pressures? That’s not how the almighty
See where this is going?
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nush
Member
Why it would matter? The product starts to need to be advertiser friendly. Like I said, it's not what you CAN see it's what you never got to see. Remember when Youtube did and still does demonetize videos? That's the effect.
You don't see how it has any impact on the story? Now for an example (That I am completely pulling out my ass with no supporting evidence), was the bait and switch of the real Mandarin in Iron Man 3 a creative choice or one made to not piss off China? Avoiding having Iron Man kick a Chinese origin characters ass? This is the Iron Man that had a specific additional scene filmed just for China.
jts
...hate me...
Good luck with that. China is way more heavy handed with its politics enforcement into anything, really.
sol_bad
Member
The Mandarin decision in IM3 was a creative choice. The studio expressed interest in the villain being Mandarin but they didn't push it. Shane Black was actually worried that Kevin Feige would reject the idea but he loved it. What the studio did push (via Ike Pearlmutter) was cutting a female as the main villain due to toy sales.
How Iron Man 3 Was Made: The Mandarin Twist, Villain Changes and More
We explain the making of Marvel's 'Iron Man 3', including how they crafted the Mandarin twist, changing the villain's gender, Robert Downey Jr.'s injury and more.
collider.com
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Starlight Lotice
Member
Never Forget the movie where they marked put the Aouth China Sea area. XD
China leading in Entertainment is a very dangerous scenario where they tell us what is acceptable and not the other way around. (E.G: Even a light jab at another country will be Taboo)
China can't keep hiding stuff from the West forever.
China leading in Entertainment is a very dangerous scenario where they tell us what is acceptable and not the other way around. (E.G: Even a light jab at another country will be Taboo)
China can't keep hiding stuff from the West forever.
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nush
Member
"pulled from my ass hypothetical example"
sol_bad
Member
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Fair question by the OP, population clearly factors into this
One of the strong reason for country leading in every sector because of theri population factor . They fix roads in 24 hour .Fair question by the OP, population clearly factors into this
Build bridges in a month and building in max 3 months .
Every months to an year new technology .
Leading in every sector .
Highest revenue in movies /entertainment world , because of highest population .
They create world lagrest sector in entertainment world .
That's why even hollywood movies are now build up / release even before and after in China .
Papa
Banned
Yes I know but just letting you know it was a creative decision.
Do you think that creative personnel are completely free agents?
Why dip out of our conversation above? Seems pretty dishonest.
You seem to just want to shill and tell everyone to move along because there’s nothing to see here yet you just ignore any evidence/arguments to the contrary.
sol_bad
Member
Dip out of the conversation above? If you mean your post I didn't realise you had edited it with more content.
You completely ignored what I typed and the link I provided to Collider. Films are edited, censored and sanitized even when China isn't involved. America has one of the worst rating systems out there, no where near as robust as the AU or UK rating boards for example.
You could say that America's ratings are almost as bad as China. In China they remove any extreme violence and swearing, in America it's an automatic R, even if all the film has is 2 uses of the word fuck, show a tit and auto R. Meanwhile in Australia, kids can watch Joker, Logan and see titties. America is already extremely conservative as it is.
China can censor movies in their own country as much as they want and make Finn as tiny as they want on a poster. Just as long as they don't impact the western R release and so far they haven't.
Warcraft, Kong, Wonder Woman, Venom, Bumblebee and MIB International all co-financed and/or distributed by Tencent. I haven't heard of any interference from China during the production of these films.
As for creatives, they have told what to do for decades, way before China was ever involved. It all depends on the studio, the franchise and who the creative is. Movies get changed because the head honcho is a jack ass, as mentioned in the article about IM3.
Papa
Banned
How can you say that China isn’t impacting on western releases? Just look at where the money is. I cannot fathom this level of ignorance, and you’ve completely ignored my point which is that you’re asking us to prove a negative. We can’t prove what doesn’t exist, but the non-existence is the problem. I also really cannot stand this both sidesing. You present it as though US censorship and CCP censorship are equivalent and therefore it’s a case of picking your poison. There really isn’t much of a discussion to be had if you think communist censorship of foreign media is that inconsequential.
nush
Member
Damn, don't go mentioning the BBFC as a positive, they used to hack films to death to remove any violence. In the UK the Original Ninja Turtles movie cencored ALL scenes with Leonardo's Nunchucks for example. Flip side was they were more chill on sexual content, to a point.
No idea what they are like today.
sol_bad
Member
I never said that US and China censorship was equivalent, I said almost. And when I say almost, you have to look at it from a very certain perspective. America is far more conservative than any other Western country out there. I already mentioned it but they try to restrict a lot of topics to an R rating to protect their kiddies. Blood, nudity, same sex relations, swearing, drugs, certain topics related to hell. No, they don't outright censor things but they try and limit viewership of those topics. They are still limiting the population that can watch these films in their own country.
When there is actual proof of Chinese companies trying to force censorship than I'll take notice. But I don't care for conspiracy theories.
Random thought, I personally can't figure out why The Matrix is R rated in America for example, it's, only M rated in Ozland.
nush
Member
Google Translate if it's text.
people probably don’t like arguing with you because 1 you refuse to give examples besides pie in the sky future arguments that can’t be proven or disproven.
2 you insult anyone that disagrees with you like a frustrated 14 year old.
3 Youre completely emotional.
your posts are terrible and I was going to take them apart but I doubt you’ll even read the response before vomiting out some insults and thinking you made a point.
Ha
Haha , words of agression but seems legit expression . I do respect you friend
Papa
Banned
How long have you been waiting to get that shot in, salty boy?
Since September it seems. Pathetic.I don’t like being told there’s nothing to see here when people have already laid out the evidence and
sol_bad
just continually handwaves it. He does this in every thread and it’s wearing thin. He keeps claiming “it’s a creative decision” and completely ignores the fact that creators are still beholden to their financiers. They aren’t completely free agents. Then there’s things like Chinese product placement that just get shrugged away. How much evidence do you want? It seems like no matter what evidence is provided, you’ll just keep raising the bar.Moreover, hard evidence isn’t the only thing you need to believe something to be true. Sometimes you make logical connections and extrapolations based on multiple things you know to be true, like I laid out in the post you’re whining about. How exactly is what I have suggested “pie in the sky”? It’s so well known that even bloody South Park is making fun of the situation. I really can’t understand people like you who advocate for turning the global economy on its head to satisfy wild climate predictions but then want to sit and wait for the evidence on China. By the time the evidence meets your extraordinarily high bar, it’ll be too late.
To believe China has no influence on film production and on scripts is moronic. We’ve seen films shoot in China solely due to government pressure. Screenwriters have talked about studios catering scripts and changing ideas and marketing due to the Chinese market.
Either all of those people are lying, or
sol_bad
is just being his usual obtuse sycophantic self. I’ll go with the latter every time
Either all of those people are lying, or
sol_bad
is just being his usual obtuse sycophantic self. I’ll go with the latter every time