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[Wunray]

I really wanna use game pass to play this but it's too bad for me I live outside of any of their supported regions.

 

[Nikana]

And yet we have no metrics to prove this. I can tell you for me MS lost $55 since I would have bought digital and instead paid for a month of cheap gamepass and cancelled since it didn’t hold my interest.

If MS actually broke that down (they won’t until it benefits them) I’d believe you.


Netflix loses money by the millions. Not a good example. They’ve shown that this model isn’t profitable and are praying they eventually get big enough they can sustain their own debt. No such luck yet.

Netflix has shown the opposite which is why every major content provider is looking into it. I'm sure you've heard of that Disney company.

 

[JustP_Gaming]

Just got fish and chips, saw that i ran out of salt, thought where would be the best place to find some salt, saw this thread.
The best god damn fish and chips i ever had!!!

Beautifully said!!

 

[DForce]

Netflix has shown the opposite which is why every major content provider is looking into it. I'm sure you've heard of that Disney company.

PSnow makes a profit and youre able to download games day one.

Xbox fans want to believe that just because they're adding all this stuff to the service, that doesn't mean its going to be successful.

This is why Sony and Nintendo arent putting out a service where theyre putting games day one on the service.

Success isnt guaranteed.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

PSnow makes a profit and youre able to download games day one.

Xbox fans want to believe that just because they're adding all this stuff to the service, that doesn't mean its going to be successful.

This is why Sony and Nintendo arent putting out a service where theyre putting games day one on the service.

Success isnt guaranteed.

Nobody ever said GP is a guaranteed long term success. But what is fact is for $1, you can get 3 years of GP Ultimate which is free games for 3 years, including first party launch games. And since MS has so much money, if they want to, they can absorb any Xbox costs across it's $30 billion profits per year. Sony and Nintendo can't do that. They tried, but eventually succumb to online fees instead of free online access which is what they did for a decade.

So enjoy it while you can.

No different than Sony fans bringing up free PS3 online thinking it'll last forever. PS4 is announced at E3 and suddenly PS4 MP online costs $50. Since then, I have not seen one Sony fan bring up PS online costs ever again vs Xbox.

That's life. Enjoy good perks while it's there because one day it might not be.

Some companies are more giving. Others are more scroogie.

 

[JustP_Gaming]

PSnow makes a profit and youre able to download games day one.

Xbox fans want to believe that just because they're adding all this stuff to the service, that doesn't mean its going to be successful.

This is why Sony and Nintendo arent putting out a service where theyre putting games day one on the service.

Success isnt guaranteed.

They are putting out a service because there's no way they have the infrastructure to support what Xbox is doing. Hence the Sony / MS partnership.

 

[Pallas]

Can we get a thread title change? “Why I think Gamepass is bad”

 

[Smoke6]

People dont find it impressive cobsidering it was based on they were giving it away for 2 bucks.

We know that helped boost the numbers.

If spiderman sold 6 mil in a day while selling it for 2 bucks, do you think im going to be impressed? No.

My point exactly!!!

$6 million x $60 is a lot of ducking money!

How are $2 subs even coming close to that alone is beyond me as no one is even purchasing the game at those numbers!!!

Don’t believe me then someone please post those crack down 3 numbers

 

[Nikana]

PSnow makes a profit and youre able to download games day one.

Xbox fans want to believe that just because they're adding all this stuff to the service, that doesn't mean its going to be successful.

This is why Sony and Nintendo arent putting out a service where theyre putting games day one on the service.

Success isnt guaranteed.

The hell are you on about? What you said doesn't relate to anything I said.

 

[DForce]

Nobody ever said GP is a guaranteed long term success. But what is fact is for $1, you can get 3 years of GP Ultimate which is free games for 3 years, including first party launch games. And since MS has so much money, if they want to, they can absorb any Xbox costs across it's $30 billion profits per year. Sony and Nintendo can't do that. They tried, but eventually succumb to online fees instead of free online access which is what they did for a decade.

So enjoy it while you can.

No different than Sony fans bringing up free PS3 online thinking it'll last forever. PS4 is announced at E3 and suddenly PS4 MP online costs $50. Since then, I have not seen one Sony fan bring up PS online costs ever again vs Xbox.

That's life. Enjoy good perks while it's there because one day it might not be.

Some companies are more giving. Others are more scroogie.

Its clear you're not even paying attention.

People on this forum are literally saying its a huge hit and that others have to take note. They also state that Sony and others cannot compete.

If someone says, "I dont think this is going to be sustainable," you have XboxGAF complaining.


That's literally whats happening but somehow you cant see that?

If no one knows the future, then XboxGAF needs to stop complaining whenever someone expresses some doubt.


And this player count of 3 million?

Clearly people are going to flock and sub for 2 dollars when one of the most anticipated MS games is relesed this year.


Thats going to really help boost the numbers so I have no idea why you guys dont find the player count that exciting.


People know MS is boasting about their numbers but those numbers dont tell us much as.


You guys need to accept it that GP helps with those numbers a lot and everyone is going to say its great.

 

[Nikana]

My point exactly!!!

$6 million x $60 is a lot of ducking money!

How are $2 subs even coming close to that alone is beyond me as no one is even purchasing the game at those numbers!!!

Don’t believe me then someone please post those crack down 3 numbers

This really isn't that hard. You can scapegoat anything you want. But the business model isn't hard to understand.

2 dollar subs.

People canceling after one month.

Whatever nonsensical surface level argument you want doesn't change the fact you're either dense and can't see past the surface or you're deliberately not to push a narrative.

Whatever you want. But a majority of the people on the service are not using free trials and aren't canceling.

 

[Nikana]

Its clear you're not even paying attention.

People on this forum are literally saying its a huge hit and that others have to take note. They also state that Sony and others cannot compete.

If someone says, "I dont think this is going to be sustainable," you have XboxGAF complaining.


That's literally whats happening but somehow you cant see that?

If no one knows the future, then XboxGAF needs to stop complaining whenever someone expresses some doubt.


And this player count of 3 million?

Clearly people are going to flock and sub for 2 dollars when one of the most anticipated MS games is relesed this year.


Thats going to really help boost the numbers so I have no idea why you guys dont find the player count that exciting.


People know MS is boasting about their numbers but those numbers dont tell us much as.


You guys need to accept it that GP helps with those numbers a lot and everyone is going to say its great.

Try expressing doubt with actual arguments instead of scapegoat arguments that don't actually argue anything.

Free trials have existed for ever. Even for services on the same platform and the opposing platform.

PlayStation plus and XBL Gold both have free trials and cheap subs to boost numbers and yet you're not using that argument. There's deals ALL THE TIME for both of these services, including your free trial and cheap monthly subs yet those are clearly profitable.

 

[Mattyp]

You said thet knoe what they're doing to get them to make a profit.

You dont know that.

Know one knows how it will play out so dont pretend like you know whats happening.


Before you say "You said its bad fir business to put spiderman and tlou on ps now day one" thats because theyll make a lot more money selling it at full retail.

Netflix is in dept.. The continue to stay there, so go ahead, conpare them to netflix. You dont take into account how much devs have to make and how much it will cost to put aby game on their service.. Including their own.


You guys have no problem tell anyone how it will work, but as soon as someone hss doubts, you guys start complaining.

Its an open discussion. No one is saying it will fail, but people shoutibg that its a major sucess and it will be successful seriously need to calm down.

They know what they're doing to make a profit on subscription services, it's what makes them continually richer.

I don't know they know what to do to get gamepass running at a profit?? So you're saying, they launched a service to make all their games free with a subscription base with no idea how this would ever make a profit for them? No goal or end target? Just launch a product and hope with no accounting or numbers worked out it would somehow cover their game studio expenses? Microsoft know how much those studios cost to run, they know how much they need to break even and make a profit on. They are targeting those numbers.

Netflix is not in debt we've been over this, Netflix continue to spend billions more then they generate on masses and masses of original content each year which is ear marked to slow down this year. They now still hold that content, have content coming down the pipes to keep people coming back. They will slowly scale that back, and then any year they have run at a loss they will recuperate with not paying tax when they do run at a profit thanks to american tax laws.

No one's shouting its a major success at you, just to open your eyes and see the end goal of what they're trying to do which doesn't happen over night. The figures will speak for themselves in another 3 years.

 

[DForce]

The hell are you on about? What you said doesn't relate to anything I said.

It does.


The point people are trying to get across is just because its a subscription service, that diesnt mean it will be successful.


Tldr: people will have doubts because if this simple fact.

 

[DForce]

They know what they're doing to make a profit on subscription services, it's what makes them continually richer.

I don't know they know what to do to get gamepass running at a profit?? So you're saying, they launched a service to make all their games free with a subscription base with no idea how this would ever make a profit for them? No goal or end target? Just launch a product and hope with no accounting or numbers worked out it would somehow cover their game studio expenses? Microsoft know how much those studios cost to run, they know how much they need to break even and make a profit on. They are targeting those numbers.

Netflix is not in debt we've been over this, Netflix continue to spend billions more then they generate on masses and masses of original content each year which is ear marked to slow down this year. They now still hold that content, have content coming down the pipes to keep people coming back. They will slowly scale that back, and then any year they have run at a loss they will recuperate with not paying tax when they do run at a profit thanks to american tax laws.

No one's shouting its a major success at you, just to open your eyes and see the end goal of what they're trying to do which doesn't happen over night. The figures will speak for themselves in another 3 years.

Thet dont know if it will make long term profit. Theyre still testing the service and theyll need to maintain and then grow their userbase.

 

[DForce]

Try expressing doubt with actual arguments instead of scapegoat arguments that don't actually argue anything.

Free trials have existed for ever. Even for services on the same platform and the opposing platform.

PlayStation plus and XBL Gold both have free trials and cheap subs to boost numbers and yet you're not using that argument. There's deals ALL THE TIME for both of these services, including your free trial and cheap monthly subs yet those are clearly profitable.

People are bringing forth arguments. Xbox fans dont want to see any posts that even remotely explains why it might not be successful.

 

[Nikana]

It does.


The point people are trying to get across is just because its a subscription service, that diesnt mean it will be successful.


Tldr: people will have doubts because if this simple fact.

People are bringing forth arguments. Xbox fans dont want to see any posts that even remotely explains why it might not be successful.

Your post history shows exactly why people are calling you out .

Saying shit like, selling a quarter of your previous entry is success!!!

It's baity bullshit and you deserve to be called out on it.

Bring a real argument to the table and maybe people will have conversations with you.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

It does.


The point people are trying to get across is just because its a subscription service, that diesnt mean it will be successful.


Tldr: people will have doubts because if this simple fact.

Who ever said subscription plans are guaranteed success?

Everyone knows sub plans for anything can fail. Sony Music Unlimited was cancelled, and PS Now has only about 10% of the users Game Pass has even though PS Now came out years before.

Relax Dforce. No need to rain on the Xbox parade when gamers are playing tons of games for $1, while Sony charges $60 even for last gen remasters. Its simply a difference in pricing and services.

 

[DForce]

Your post history shows exactly why people are calling you out .

Saying shit like, selling a quarter of your previous entry is success!!!

It's baity bullshit and you deserve to be called out on it.

Bring a real argument to the table and maybe people will have conversations with you.

So if someone says GP is the netflix for gaming and i say we have to wait and see how it works out, thats bad?

I said 2 dollar deal is good but i remain skeptical on the servive. I think theyll change the way games are relesed day one on the service.



Oh thats an attack on MS and qualify me as a hater?

You guys just dont like it if i dont praise the sevice.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Its clear you're not even paying attention.

People on this forum are literally saying its a huge hit and that others have to take note. They also state that Sony and others cannot compete.

If someone says, "I dont think this is going to be sustainable," you have XboxGAF complaining.


That's literally whats happening but somehow you cant see that?

If no one knows the future, then XboxGAF needs to stop complaining whenever someone expresses some doubt.


And this player count of 3 million?

Clearly people are going to flock and sub for 2 dollars when one of the most anticipated MS games is relesed this year.


Thats going to really help boost the numbers so I have no idea why you guys dont find the player count that exciting.


People know MS is boasting about their numbers but those numbers dont tell us much as.


You guys need to accept it that GP helps with those numbers a lot and everyone is going to say its great.

MS said Game Pass isn't sustainable? Where?

Pretty sure MS isn't going to take your NEOGAF forum business advice.

And everyone said last gen PS3 is a huge money pit. And they were right. Sony lost big on it and it showed in those charts. They probably still lost money even on slim models in 2012. Yet, look at that. They still forged ahead even with billions of losses right to the bitter end of the generation.

Give it a rest Dforce. Everyone knows you a blatant MS basher. So trying to hide behind some kind of rational opinion pieces hoping nobody notices is BS.

 

[DForce]

They are putting out a service because there's no way they have the infrastructure to support what Xbox is doing. Hence the Sony / MS partnership.

Uhh. They have PS now, which allows you to download and stream games. They just make more money selling their newly relesed games retail.

 

[Nikana]

So if someone says GP is the netflix for gaming and i say we have to wait and see how it works out, thats bad?

I said 2 dollar deal is good but i remain skeptical on the servive. I think theyll change the way games are relesed day one on the service.



Oh thats an attack on MS and qualify me as a hater?

You guys just dont like it if i dont praise the sevice.

Did I say any of the that? No. I pointed out exactly why people are calling your posts out and you ignored it completely.

 

[DForce]

MS said Game Pass isn't sustainable? Where?

Pretty sure MS isn't going to take your NEOGAF forum business advice.

And everyone said last gen PS3 is a huge money pit. And they were right. Sony lost big on it and it showed in those charts. They probably still lost money even on slim models in 2012. Yet, look at that. They still forged ahead even with billions of losses right to the bitter end of the generation.

Give it a rest Dforce. Everyone knows you a blatant MS basher. So trying to hide behind some kind of rational opinion pieces hoping nobody notices is BS.

No day one releses being sustainable. Dont even argue this point. Just stop.

 

[DForce]

Did I say any of the that? No. I pointed out exactly why people are calling your posts out and you ignored it completely.

People are calling me out because im saying it might not work out to releases their games day one on the service.


Guys dont like it if i dont praise ms

 

[StreetsofBeige]

No day one releses being sustainable. Dont even argue this point. Just stop.

When a company makes $30 billion a year in profit, pretty sure they can cover Xbox division costs.

As for sustainability, you should be doing a research paper on PS3. That thing was a money loser from day one, yet Sony still plugged away at it for 8 years.

 

[thelastword]

3 million rentals, WHEEW!!!

Blockbuster is back baby!!!!!

It's crazy, when Sony's first party titles like Spiderman sells 3.3 million units at $60 in 3 days, articles rise like "please don't read too much into this" appear...…..Gears get 3 million players in its opening weekend, a few sales incorporated, with the majority being $1-2 rentals, and this is huuuuge success......with articles like: "please read lots into this"...….Ahhh, I get it...…..That sweet gaming media...…..

 

[Nikana]

People are calling me out because im saying it might not work out to releases their games day one on the service.


Guys dont like it if i dont praise ms

Lol ok. Have fun .

 

[DForce]

When a company makes $30 billion a year in profit, pretty sure they can cover Xbox division costs.

As for sustainability, you should be doing a research paper on PS3. That thing was a money loser from day one, yet Sony still plugged away at it for 8 years.

They're in a businesses to make money. If something doesnt benefit them, then they'll cut it loose.


Thats how business works. They're playing the long game with GP and thats why theyre not afraid to lose some money right now.


Just because they have a lot of money that doesnt mean they'll throw cash at anything.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

They're in a businesses to make money. If something doesnt benefit them, then they'll cut it loose.


Thats how business works. They're playing the long game with GP and thats why theyre not afraid to lose some money right now.


Just because they have a lot of money that doesnt mean they'll throw cash at anything.

Nobody said a rich company will automatically subsidize unprofitable products forever. But a big wad of billions of profits gives them access to do that.

Even poor companies losing billions, shedding employees and divisions can still forge ahead to the bitter end even if it means almost a decade of losses...... like Sony's PS3.

So it goes to show when a company is big enough (rich or poor), then can do stuff for long periods of time and not care. Sony's TV disvion lost even more money and Sony hasn't cared either in that awful stretch. Didn't even flinch.

No different than any company I've worked at. Some product lines are breakeven or even losers. But you might keep them around for sake of making money on other lines.

Not every business' products are all 100% profit makers.

 

[DForce]

Nobody said a rich company will automatically subsidize unprofitable products forever. But a big wad of billions of profits gives them access to do that.

Even poor companies losing billions, shedding employees and divisions can still forge ahead to the bitter end even if it means almost a decade of losses...... like Sony's PS3.

So it goes to show when a company is big enough (rich or poor), then can do stuff for long periods of time and not care.

No different than any company I've worked at. Some product lines are breakeven or even losers. But you might keep them around for sake of making money on other lines.

Not every business' products are all 100% profit makers.

You're missing the point.

This is the xBox division.. Same one who wouldnt fund ssod2 and a new alan wake...


Why? Remedy wasnt making much money, same for ssod1.


They will cut cost or make changes.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

You're missing the point.

This is the xBox division.. Same one who wouldnt fund ssod2 and a new alan wake...


Why? Remedy wasnt making much money, same for ssod1.


They will cut cost or make changes.

Xbox has been around for almost 20 years, and MS probably loses on a good portion of them.

Yet the division is still around, being more aggressive, buying more studios, subsidizing GP, and coming out with another console.

Whether you like it or not, Xbox isn't going anywhere.

And with MS always with the most powerful console and their new GP strategy, it improves competition and gives gamers more choice. You never know, maybe Sony and Nintnedo will follow suit giving their gamers first party games for cheap too at some point so all gamers win.

If it wasn't for MS and Xbox OG, Sony would never have had console online service as good as it is now. Nintendo's online is awful, but Sony has played catch up. While Sony had PS1 (no online) and PS2 (that half supported ethernet adapter), Xbox OG was already ready to go with online a year after launch. Out of nowhere MS releases a console and it already has online capabilities better than any console maker the past 30 years.

Considering how conservative Japanese companies are with risk, if it wasn't for Xbox, PS online might be just as lousy as Nintnedo systems. They sure didn't care much during PS2. And for PS3 it wasn't great either.

So add it all up, and competition is good for gamers. Now I know what you want. An Sony only ecosystem. That's fine, but you're not going to get that.

Since Sony and MS butt heads (NIntendo does their own thing), MS and Sony being aggressive makes both companies hungry and strive for better value, games and services.

It's a win for Xbox gamers for cheap GP subs even if MS decides to ditch it if they think it's a failure years from now.

 

[DForce]

Xbox has been around for almost 20 years, and MS probably loses on a good portion of them.

Yet the division is still around, being more aggressive, buying more studios, subsidizing GP, and coming out with another console.

Whether you like it or not, Xbox isn't going anywhere.

And with MS always with the most powerful console and their new GP strategy, it improves competition and gives gamers more choice. You never know, maybe Sony and Nintnedo will follow suit giving their gamers first party games for cheap too at some point so all gamers win.

If it wasn't for MS and Xbox OG, Sony would never have had console online service as good as it is now. Nintendo's online is awful, but Sony has played catch up. While Sony had PS1 (no online) and PS2 (that half supported ethernet adapter), Xbox OG was already ready to go with online a year after launch. Out of nowhere MS releases a console and it already has online capabilities better than any console maker the past 30 years.

Considering how conservative Japanese companies are with risk, if it wasn't for Xbox, PS online might be just as lousy as Nintnedo systems. They sure didn't care much during PS2. And for PS3 it wasn't great either.

So add it all up, and competition is good for gamers. Now I know what you want. An Sony only ecosystem. That's fine, but you're not going to get that.

Since Sony and MS butt heads (NIntendo does their own thing), MS and Sony being aggressive makes both companies hungry and strive for better value, games and services.

It's a win for Xbox gamers for cheap GP subs even if MS decides to ditch it if they think it's a failure years from now.

Most of this post is irrelevant.

No one is talking about the XB division going anywhere.


We're duscussing game pass.


If game pass loses money for years then theyre going to change the way games are released day one on the service.


The fact that this is so difficult for Xbox fans on here to understand is weird.

Can say," MS makes billions, they'll cover it." No, you dont bring that into the arguement.


There's nothinh wrong with remaining skeptical.


No one is saying 2 dollats is a bad deal for gamers


You guys come up with sone ridiculous assumptions whenever someone is a bit critical.

Just get over it. No one is going to praise xbox 24/7.

 

[Gavon West]

Really? This in your head? I haven't seen anybody brag about the numbers. Maybe some bragging about how they got to play a great game for peanuts thanks to Gamepass (which is fantastic), followed up by lots of deriding from the forum unsavouries.

Ain't it funny how all the Borderlands 3 threads remain untainted, despite its performance issues and low numbers compared to 2? It couldn't be because its a multiplat could it? Surely not...

This

 

[demigod]

Most of this post is irrelevant.

No one is talking about the XB division going anywhere.


We're duscussing game pass.


If game pass loses money for years then theyre going to change the way games are released day one on the service.


The fact that this is so difficult for Xbox fans on here to understand is weird.

Can say," MS makes billions, they'll cover it." No, you dont bring that into the arguement.


There's nothinh wrong with remaining skeptical.


No one is saying 2 dollats is a bad deal for gamers


You guys come up with sone ridiculous assumptions whenever someone is a bit critical.

Just get over it. No one is going to praise xbox 24/7.

I hear there’s another company that brings in billions yearly yet kills off their projects. I think their name starts with a G.

 

[DForce]

This

Youre the main one bragging about MS services on neogaf. So its funny how you quote this. Lol

 

[StreetsofBeige]

If game pass loses money for years then theyre going to change the way games are released day one on the service.

Says who?

As I said, MS has been losing money on Xbox for probably most years, and Sony lost a shitload on TVs and PS3. Doesn't seem to faze either company one bit even when losses are in the billions. They are still all here like nothing ever went wrong.

Pretty sure MS can absorb Game Pass costs if they feel like it considering they've been eating Xbox losses for probably 10 of the 17 years Xbox has been around.

But even if MS changes GP strategy, it won't be for a while. Tons of gamers subbed for GP Ultimate for 3 years for $1, MS is going balls out promoting GP every week, so it shows they love and aren't scaling back.

At worst, you are right and they ditch the sub plan in 3 years, or totally bork it so there's no more $1 renewals in 2022.

Who cares. Xbox gamers will be in the middle of the Scarlett era with tons of GP games. And Sony fans like you are paying $60 for every new IP and last gen remaster.

As I said. It's different business strategies. MS is going all out for GP subs. Sony doesn't. They don't even heavily promote PS Now and they never have even when it first came out years ago.

You never know. Maybe Sony will add first party games to PS Now in the future. So for any PS Now subbers, they get great games for cheap. It's just an option for people willing to sub over buying a game outright.

Just get over it. No one is going to praise xbox 24/7.

And nobody expects anyone to. All three console companies have their goods and bads.

 

[RiccochetJ]

I'm interested in the next MS investors call where they'll give us an indication of if people are keeping up with their subs.

Gears 5 is a fine game and I'm guessing would have sold just fine without gamepass, but MS decided this to be one of their tentpoles for their sub service and are hoping people will stay on after their $2 deal.

 

[DForce]

Says who?

As I said, MS has been losing money on Xbox for probably most years, and Sony lost a shitload on TVs and PS3. Doesn't seem to faze either company one bit even when losses are in the billions. They are still all here like nothing ever went wrong.

Pretty sure MS can absorb Game Pass costs if they feel like it considering they've been eating Xbox losses for probably 10 of the 17 years Xbox has been around.

But even if MS changes GP strategy, it won't be for a while. Tons of gamers subbed for GP Ultimate for 3 years for $1, MS is going balls out promoting GP every week, so it shows they love and aren't scaling back.

At worst, you are right and they ditch the sub plan in 3 years, or totally bork it so there's no more $1 renewals in 2022.

Who cares. Xbox gamers will be in the middle of the Scarlett era with tons of GP games. And Sony fans like you are paying $60 for every new IP and last gen remaster.

As I said. It's different business strategies. MS is going all out for GP subs. Sony doesn't. They don't even heavily promote PS Now and they never have even when it first came out years ago.

You never know. Maybe Sony will add first party games to PS Now in the future. So for any PS Now subbers, they get great games for cheap. It's just an option for people willing to sub over buying a game outright.


And nobody expects anyone to. All three console companies have their goods and bads.

Its common sense. They've been making cuts in the XB division for years, somehow you think theyre going to keep throwing money at something if its losing a lot of money.


Its simply business moves.


You keep repteating thecsane thing over and over again, which makes me believe you dont understand whats going on.

Theyre releasing AAA games day one on the service while giving away subs for 2 bucks.


If they're willing to eat cost for years then theyll keep the sub service forc2 dollars per month.


But no.


They want to attract gamers to GP and hope millions stay long term.


Theyre going to need fresh content throught the year to keep people active.

Thats where the studios come in.

Theyre going to pump out games on gp to keep people active.


You might say, " that'll work."


Its not automatic.

Those games have to be appealing and make people stay on GP.

Its clear they want mp focused games going forward, but that doesn't mean people will like them.

If their studios are pumping out games and most are being played, then they could be losing a lot of money.

 

[Halo is Back]

I see a lot of blind Sony ponies in here as always. It doesn’t stop the quality of Gears 5 being a great game and it has only solidified MS future with game pass. The more great games MS delivers to game pass the more successful it will be. But I guess most have forgotten how lucrative a subscription based model can be.

 

[12Dannu123]

PSnow makes a profit and youre able to download games day one.

Xbox fans want to believe that just because they're adding all this stuff to the service, that doesn't mean its going to be successful.

This is why Sony and Nintendo arent putting out a service where theyre putting games day one on the service.

Success isnt guaranteed.

PSNow is a bad service because there's no new content on the platform and because it's expensive compared its peers.

Sony may make a profit on PSNow but the consequence is a very low user base and very low growth. To every investor that's not a success at all despite making a profit.

In order to have success you need to make investments, which means making losses for a period.

With the way things are going PSNow is likely going to be irrelevant outside the PS Console, we are already seeing games skipping PSNow.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

PSNow is a bad service because there's no new content on the platform and because it's expensive compared its peers.

Sony may make a profit on PSNow but the consequence is a very low user base and very low growth. To every investor that's not a success at all despite making a profit.

In order to have success you need to make investments, which means making losses for a period.

With the way things are going PSNow is likely going to be irrelevant outside the PS Console, we are already seeing games skipping PSNow.

I predict an overhaul on it with PS5 but you're totally right about its current irrelevance.

 

[DForce]

PSNow is a bad service because there's no new content on the platform and because it's expensive compared its peers.

Sony may make a profit on PSNow but the consequence is a very low user base and very low growth. To every investor that's not a success at all despite making a profit.

In order to have success you need to make investments, which means making losses for a period.

With the way things are going PSNow is likely going to be irrelevant outside the PS Console, we are already seeing games skipping PSNow.

They will add more PS4 games.

Mat from NPD said they received a boost after allowing users to download PS4 games.

He also states its the leading game streaming service.

Game streaming is also niche, which is why the user base started low.


Based on you zillion xcloud threads, you believe it will take off next gen, even though signs point to it being a slow procesd that will take years to grow.

They made an investment by buying cloud servers and starting PSnow.



You're dont know what Youre talking about. Lol

 

[Dibils2k]

Uhh. They have PS now, which allows you to download and stream games. They just make more money selling their newly relesed games retail.

so you can play those new games at no extra charge(download version)? if so, i better jump on PsNow

 

[HelpYouFall]

The anti Microsoft sentiment on this board by people making all these big claims and trying to pass them along as facts ...
Yeah I guess you people know better than the marketing and PR team of a behemoth like MS lol

3 million players in an opening weekend is very impressive in this day and age, you can't buy publicity like that

Gamepass is a stroke of genius by MS and it will show in the next couple of years and a lot of you will look like fools for ragging on them for it.

I have both consoles, play mostly on my PS4 and think console fanboyism is some of the stupidest fucking shit ever btw, so I have no dog in this fight.

 

[Smoke6]

Damn can we keep it on the game pass topic?

Anyways I don’t care what you say about how much money ms has, that doesn’t mean jack about the business model of gsmepass being successful when there’s not a big enough install base to support it making a profit!

How is it possible to take a game that cost say $50mil and give it away for $1-2 and brag about 3 million players are playing game X?

Where does the profit come from at this point for the devs? It’s like they’re making these games and Xbox just lays them the $50mil and tells them don’t worry about sales!

While other studios who sell their games at full price hit a sold 3 mil mark or lower get shuttered?

All I think most are saying is how is this a sustainable service when they’re not selling games and the number of games on the service have to get theirs too right? But at $2 a month?

I dunno I’m cool I’ll just keep reading

 

[Nikana]

Damn can we keep it on the game pass topic?

Anyways I don’t care what you say about how much money ms has, that doesn’t mean jack about the business model of gsmepass being successful when there’s not a big enough install base to support it making a profit!

How is it possible to take a game that cost say $50mil and give it away for $1-2 and brag about 3 million players are playing game X?

Where does the profit come from at this point for the devs? It’s like they’re making these games and Xbox just lays them the $50mil and tells them don’t worry about sales!

While other studios who sell their games at full price hit a sold 3 mil mark or lower get shuttered?

All I think most are saying is how is this a sustainable service when they’re not selling games and the number of games on the service have to get theirs too right? But at $2 a month?

I dunno I’m cool I’ll just keep reading

How does any other subscription service make money? How can Netflix afford to make stranger things then give it away for free with a free trial?

It's not hard to understand.

 

[FireFly]

Damn can we keep it on the game pass topic?

Anyways I don’t care what you say about how much money ms has, that doesn’t mean jack about the business model of gsmepass being successful when there’s not a big enough install base to support it making a profit!

And how do you grow the install base? Answer: by incentivising consumers with promotions, like the $1/$2 one. It's a chicken and egg problem. You need great content to attract subscribers, but how do you do this without having the install base to pay for the content in the first place? The "solution" is to take a short term loss for a long term gain.

The context of Gears 5's success, is as a driver for interest in the platform. It was never intended to make Microsoft huge amounts of money, because as you say, the install base for Game Pass isn't big enough yet. The 3 million figure is meaningful in this context, because we can imagine a hypothetical world in which Gears 5 bombs critically and only a few hundred thousand people check it out. Then people would rightly be worried that Microsoft were not making the right kind of investments in content for Game Pass to be successful.

Now we are in more of a "wait and see" state.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

I wonder if I'm lumped in with the haters for questioning the viability of Gamepass in the long term. I have a game pass subscription, an Xbox One X, a PS4 Pro and a gaming PC... the 360 and XBOX were the first systems I bought in their respective gens and the ones I played most, I could even link my achievement score if you want to look at that? There are serious questions about what's going to happen with Gamepass in the long run that can be asked here but I guess doing so is being anti-Microsoft?

Legit not a fan of system wars, since the original XBOX gen I've had every console each gen besides the Switch which I haven't yet grabbed. And since 2011 I've had a capable gaming PC (bought a new one years later, then upgraded the graphics card for the new one). I have legit anxiety about being able to play every game for every platform, not getting the best experience, missing out on stuff, etc. And I question the viability of Gamepass because of how cheap it is right now and similar subscription services either totally went bankrupt at such prices or upped their prices with time. Heck, I remember when XBOX Live was 50 dollars not 60. I was an early adopter playing stuff like Battlefield 2 and Halo 2. Thanks to Gamepass on PC I no longer subscribe to Gold and the only payment I have that I consider absurd is PS+ but I legitimately feel the quality of the games you get with it has been making it worth it lately, like getting Darksiders III, a game I wanted to try out. I do think such subscription services can be great, I use Humble Monthly Bundle, which to be fair normally has 1 or 2 AAA games and not brand new ones, I have Twitch Prime which is mostly in-game loot and indie games each month, and for some reason Epic Game Store gives me weekly free games. No other service is offering me a game like Gears 5 day 1 for a maximum of 5 dollars for the entire month.

The hope I have is it can stay 5 dollars for me and things like microtransactions will keep it afloat without ruining games. Like how I don't care about the MP for Gears 5 and the MTX doesn't affect my campaign experience. If it shifts to 10 or 15 dollars a month you can bet I'll probably start doing on and off months on Gamepass instead of just staying on it like right now. Isn't Uplay's service 15 a month? They don't have anywhere near the library Gamepass offers but want 10 dollars more? When I see that alarm bells go off in my head, maybe it's just Uplay being foolish but it could also be Microsoft taking a loss in the short term to become the platform people use in the long term, not unlike the original XBOX where every console was sold at a loss.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

The anti Microsoft sentiment on this board by people making all these big claims and trying to pass them along as facts ...
Yeah I guess you people know better than the marketing and PR team of a behemoth like MS lol

3 million players in an opening weekend is very impressive in this day and age, you can't buy publicity like that

Gamepass is a stroke of genius by MS and it will show in the next couple of years and a lot of you will look like fools for ragging on them for it.

I have both consoles, play mostly on my PS4 and think console fanboyism is some of the stupidest fucking shit ever btw, so I have no dog in this fight.

Actually, game was released on Sep. 10. So, 3 million players in one week. Like i said in previous post somewhere :

Nice player numbers, i guess. Since game is out on Sep. 10, so 3 mil. players in 7 days, bunch of people rent a game for 2$.

GOW did in first three days in 3.1 mil copies at 60$

What a fucking difference in revenue will be. LOL

 

[Arun1910]

Only played it because of Game Pass that cost me £1. Would not have bothered otherwise.