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CliffyB's Cock Holster
You need to work on your maths. Gamepass subs go towards supporting the whole platform, not just ROI on a single product.
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Gears 5 breaks records - three million players in its opening weekend
You need to work on your maths. Gamepass subs go towards supporting the whole platform, not just ROI on a single product.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
First two seasons were 6-8m per episode and i wouldnt say its much more than 10
Netflix losses money on every customer. They are burning cash at $2-4b annual rate. Come back when MS invest $5-10b more.
The numbers really don't work out as there in nobody is signing up for $10 a month or more.
If my Aunt had nuts, she would be my Uncle.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You have a bigger audience fir netflix. Plus you have older content thats pulling in more money in comparison to old xb and 360 games. Friends and The Office are highly watchex shows.
Comparing GP to Netflix is ridiculous.
prinz_valium
Member
It's above 10m, but below the 15m for GOT
That's the point of much more. Much more isn't 17m or something.
Those kids are not as cheap anymore.
iamvin22
Industry Verified
What sucks is 4 story wise is bad but important to play for 5 story wise. Good luck gear bro
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ZombieFred
Unconfirmed Member
iamvin22
Industry Verified
Umm what?
Gamers and casuals buy Sony and Nintendo systems for their exclusive software offerings that you can't get on any other platform.
BigLee74
Member
If Microsoft get the right games in Gamepass, people will stay. Not all, but certainly enough to make it extremely profitable. Couple that with the people who just plain forget to unsubscribe from these things (I have an uncle who didn't realise he was paying for gold for 5 years+), yeah, they'll be fine.
When all is said and done, they will have done the required market research and analysis to ensure this is the case.
Still, mockers gotta mock, huh?
As an aside, I bought an extra year of gold and the £1 ultimate upgrade, with Gears 5 being one of the draws. There's a guaranteed £40 straight into their coffers for starters that they might not have got from me otherwise.
Oh yeah, and I thought Gears 5 was great.
When all is said and done, they will have done the required market research and analysis to ensure this is the case.
Still, mockers gotta mock, huh?
As an aside, I bought an extra year of gold and the £1 ultimate upgrade, with Gears 5 being one of the draws. There's a guaranteed £40 straight into their coffers for starters that they might not have got from me otherwise.
Oh yeah, and I thought Gears 5 was great.
ResilientBanana
Member
Rediculous up unto the point where you understand that's only business model that makes sense. It's a great subscription that basically made me retire my PSN account due to a lack of good multiplayer content that I'm only getting on my PC at this point.
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MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
Guess which fanbase is this ITT?
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Netflix has a bigger casual market. Has content for people of all ages, way more than GP. If you think most people find gp content just as appealing. .then no.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Of couse GOT is higher. They also have millions of people watching.
Games arent cheap. Millions of peoplr are watching old content on Netflix. Not say its attracting the same attention as old xb games.
Gamernyc78
Banned
You don't know what there benefiting from or financially what it's brining in. That's just the narrative their pushing. I subscribed for one month played Gears 5 for $1 and dropped sub right after, in no way is tht better than me buying it at 60 a pop. Of course there's diff variables at play but we just don't know financially how this approach is doing.
Moviepass is a gd example of an epic failure in regards to a somewhat similar model but for movies. Netflix is another but Netflix seems to be doing good.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Meeeeee played Gears three days, sub ran out and bye bye sub. Only reason I got the sub to begin with is because my son's og ps4 died so I felt bad and subbed as a stop gap but now he has a new ps4 slim.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Because you know better first parties and we can use tht subjective argument but it really isn't close in terms of quality.
ResilientBanana
Member
I would have to agree with you, that's a no-brainer in regards to Netflix. I'd be curious to see where Microsoft ends up in a few years especially once Next-Gen becomes a thing and all their first parties bring out the games that they've been developing.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Again, that's their theory, but I'm not convinced it's actually better than actually selling popular games. I'm glad you like it, but I'm sure for every one of you there is one person who signs up for $1 when a game they want to play is out and then they move on. This "3 million players" number is irrelevant in a world where you could be a player for $1 and also where old Gears games sold more copies at $60.
Every company is claiming a pivot to services these days, they all have fancy "market research" that says it is the future, and all that, but I'm very skeptical. Netflix keeps getting brought up, but they're losing their most popular content (old Friends and The Office), their stock is down 22% from its high in July, they lost subscribers last quarter for the first time in almost a decade, they're burning tons of cash trying to throw content on the screen, and they're starting down the barrel of Disney+.
ResilientBanana
Member
You aren't wrong. As a parent, however, this is a no brainier decision. I don't have to buy my kids games unless it's not on the service. By the time they are old enough to care about the games they want to buy, chances are they can buy it themselves.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
3 million users? wow. thats $3 million in revenue!
Xenon
Member
And that would be a hundredfold times better if it was console exclusive with no availability to play on PC
pr0cs
Member
Nah that ship has sailed eons ago
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
It's crazy how E3 2013 really created a ripple effect against Xbox that lasted to this very day.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Seriously!
chaseroni
Member
One thing I've noticed nobody talking about...Isn't gamepass just an entrypoint to the game? There are microtransactions in Gears 5, I can totally see someone spending ridiculous amounts of money in that and making up for more than the 60$ retail cost of the game. Not me but...there are gamers out there spending that on Fortnite and the like. I doubt very much that microsoft considers this release a failure.
prinz_valium
Member
Right, but pure development costs of Gears 5 is most likely not significantly above 150m
So Stranger Things is not a lot cheaper to produce. That was my point.
Xenon
Member
I know. This is why I cry myself to sleep every night knowing that people on other systems will be enjoying the games I play.
JLB
Banned
Trolling and not even smart. Let me just point to you that I actually pay nothing (yeah, nothing, zero) for GamePass, since I join Ultimate on the merge with gold, and have the service covered for free til end of next year.
That should give you an indication of what is MS long term game with it.
JLB
Banned
Nope, Im saying that the long term strategy is to make people sub to the service. Its well and long probed that the stick ratio on these kind of services is high.
Regarding the actual number, no idea. I was paying full price of the service until the merge, near the E3 announcement this year. So there should be a combination of people paying the full service, others paying usd1 for a couple of months, and others paying nothing like me. But we dont even now the real number of subscribers, so...
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NOLA_Gaffer
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Woken Game, Broken Records.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
You are correct there, I forgot to include said other costs
The point is that the single subscription needs to pay for every game on the service, plus back-end costs. So even in a situation like this, where no doubt a large proportion of the "engagement" is solely due to Gears, the rest of the line-up needs its share too.
If somebody is playing nothing but Gears all month, its not helping the rest of the line-up, especially if the payout is calculated based on playtime and downloads.
See, I have no doubt that MS can make this profitable for themselves, but if everyone else isn't doing so well, that is potentially a problem for the long-term.
manfestival
Member
The campaign isn't interesting in the first one and Gears 5 has a nice video that actually goes over everything in 4 that matters. In fact, Gears 5 does a good job of making all of the characters way more interesting than 4 did
Because they are at completely different stages in their lifecycles. It took Netflix many years to lay the foundations for their explosive growth:
Infographic: Netflix Passes 200 Million Milestone
This chart shows Netflix's wordwide subscriber growth.
www.statista.com
JLB
Banned
mm, i dont think it really matters. And for sure does not represent a real scenario. I mean, who would pay a service to play just one game? Its like paying Netflix for just one movie.
Rolling_Start
Banned
It's heartwarming to see the sudden concern some people now have for MS, as millions up millions of gamers play the highly regarded, technical showcase Gears of War 5, while not giving MS much upfront money (on average).
Surely MS can't have wanted this - to have millions up millions of gamers playing a great game that's on Gamepass, and realising that they can have access to many games like this for a low monthly fee.
MS must be feeling sick right now, seeing people using Gamepass. People shouldn't be taking advantage of MS like this.
Surely MS can't have wanted this - to have millions up millions of gamers playing a great game that's on Gamepass, and realising that they can have access to many games like this for a low monthly fee.
MS must be feeling sick right now, seeing people using Gamepass. People shouldn't be taking advantage of MS like this.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Gears always has Game of the year aspirations.
joe_zazen
Member
Yeah, idk. So many things can change in 14 months, but right now, i want to play
- slay the spire ($40 on psn, free on gamepass),
- Outerworlds (will be $79.99 cdn at launch on psn)
- west of loathing (not on psn),
- Horizon 4 (no AAA arcadey racer on psn except the dead driveclub and garbage tier crew2)
- State of Decay 2
- Devil May Cry 5 ($47 on psn)
- Stellaris ($40 on psn)
- You get the idea
So right now, MS is posititioning themselves to kill at the start of next gen in terms of value. and i say this as someone who dislikes MS and sees them as a tool of US hegemony with blood on their hands.
However, if the cost of the ms console is $600 cdn, with a $20 cdn per month gamepass cost plus $69 per year gold...well then PC starts looking good. But a $500 console with $72 for 36 months of gamepass ultimate, I’ll probably bite.
Microsoft wants people to pay for the "service", yes, they want to see people play a game but they also want people to pay for it, the second part appears to be a problem. The same could probably be said of Sony PS Now or EA Access, the difference is.... you rarely see threads on those.... somehow we have a Microsoft marketing campaign that never stops - yet, they give the worse numbers.
Number of threads on the subject very high.
Number of paying customers doesn't appear high, imo.
You could probably add up all the revenue made from Game Pass, PS Now and EA Access since their inception and yet they probably don't even match the sales of of say Spider-Man, a single player game on one platform.
So many threads... so little money. The question isn't why are people "concern(ed)", its why are there so many threads on such a small money generator? All of the rental andor streaming game services are basically small drops in a very big bucket, and they don't really seem to be growing unless a company gives it away.
To be honest, I've been a little confused on all these services... all they are is a rental delivery service, I just don't see the excitement for this in 2019. Games is where its at, where are the cool new games?
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Mochilador
Member
Damn, that's very good.
thelastword
Banned
Absolutely, forgot about the Darkness for a moment there...….I would also like to see a Conan 2007 remake, but yes give me Gears 2, 3 and Judgment remade like Gears 1 remake on PC......
Not just that, but we're talking across, XBOX and PC (MS Store and Steam)……...So at $1 dollar gamepass, that's 3 million, with gameshare even less, remember PC guys don't pay for online, SO MS is not profiting from LIVE subs there, so why play this on XBOX instead of PC? This is the most bonkers business model I've ever seen....Ever...
Wish MS would share this tbh. All the MS fans are saying gamepass is a success???? Only 3 million players, so that means if we minus gamesharing folk and those persons who actually purchased the game, we're probably looking at 1.5 million gamepass subs across the world at $1......What success...
Fortnight is a game that everybody and their grandma is playing, the game has a pull, it caters top a wide demographic, there's reason to play too as kids are competing for millions now NO? Comparing Fortnite to a dwindling Gears franchise is like comparing Superman to Mclovin…….
Yeah there are microtransactions, but what is the possibility of someone not buying the game @ $60 going on to spend tonnes of money in Micro transactions?....Gears multiplayer is no longer as good as it used to be, neither is it as popular, you don't own the game with gamepass, it will come off the service
eventually........Why would you spend all your money in Gears microtransactions? I think most people got gamepass for the Gears Campaign, I mean why not......
Gamepass will go like this, get a $1 or 2$ sub when a big AAA MS game is coming cancel it before it runs out so they don't charge you $14.99, rinse repeat......MS is not going to make anything from that....
CeeJay
Member
*replies to a post about concern with more concern. Truly heartwarming
joe_zazen
Member
Mixer in general? Or for gears specifically?
Manstructiclops
Banned
Remember when Microsofts flagships did numbers like this as a $60 product?
Because they're not trying to make money in the short term; they're trying to expand their user base so they have a big enough audience to make the platform self-sustaining. It's like how Amazon made almost no profit for over a decade, and now are crushing it.
They're making an investment into the future, so talk about short term profitability makes zero sense.
Kagey K
Banned
And it probably would have again, but MS decided to go a different route.
We don’t even know the break down of what percent is retail sales (digital and physical) and what is Gamepass subs.
In the end MS seem pleased with the result but all the forum posters know better somehow.
