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Valve teases the Valve Index VR headset for May reveal

Whitesnake

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A new Half life game likely inbound.

Haha yeah good luck with that.

The guy who made the first two half-lifes quit and basically said “yeah they have no intention of maming half-life 3”, and Valve stayed silent on the matter. It’s basically confirmed at this point that they’re not going to make a new half-life.
 

Kadayi

Banned
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Curious, though I guess this means the HTC Vive is basically done as far as future development goes.
 
Haha yeah good luck with that.

The guy who made the first two half-lifes quit and basically said “yeah they have no intention of maming half-life 3”, and Valve stayed silent on the matter. It’s basically confirmed at this point that they’re not going to make a new half-life.
Explain the almost 4 years of Half Life VR leaks then which are as recent as 2 weeks ago, and the many different sources that contacted press about a new Half Life game shipping with the headset?

There will definitely be a new Half Life game. There's far too much known at this point to suggest otherwise.

There is still at least one of the Half Life writers at Valve, and still a bunch of Half Life veterans.
 
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Romulus

Member
Haha yeah good luck with that.

The guy who made the first two half-lifes quit and basically said “yeah they have no intention of maming half-life 3”, and Valve stayed silent on the matter. It’s basically confirmed at this point that they’re not going to make a new half-life.

Basically confirmed by what a guy basically said.

The guy who basically made Half-life by myself.
 

Abriael_GN

RSI Employee of the Year
There will definitely be a new Half Life game.

I don't think you understand what the issue is.

It's not gonna be an actual Half-Life game.

Slapping the name "Half-Life" on some VR thing for the sake of pushing a headset doesn't make it a Half-Life game.
 
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pimentel1

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Epic tries to take devs from Steam. Valve drops the headset.

A HL3 announcement would be the nail in the coffin for Epic’s Game store. Microsoft game store, meh, Valve ain’t gonna waste ammo on what they knew would be another flop. Uplay store and Origin, no biggie. They waited until a worthy competitor showed up and are like KABLAAM! VR headset with HL3.
 
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Shai-Tan

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I probably should have bought a Vive pro already but I wanted (the mostly pointless) VirtualLink support. It would be amusing if this doesn't have it because every other VR device introduced this year doesn't have it either.
 

Wonko_C

Member
I've been closely watching the knuckles controllers and been bidding my time. Maybe I'll finally upgrade my PC after these last 10 years.
 
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Valve have been the pioneers of modern VR so this HMD should be a pretty interesting piece of kit...which will most likely cost an eye watering amount.
 
I don't think you understand what the issue is.

It's not gonna be an actual Half-Life game.

Slapping the name "Half-Life" on some VR thing for the sake of pushing a headset doesn't make it a Half-Life game.
Uhh, yes it does? All the projects Valve are working on are new full AAA games, not ports. This isn't Half Life 1 in VR. This is going to be a new entry in the franchise. I doubt it's 3 but rumors suggest a Half Life 2 prequel.
 
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Haven’t people been saying exactly this for like fifteen years hahah
The difference is that Half Life VR leaks have been happening as recent as 2 weeks ago, suggesting it's still in development. Half LIfe 3 was in development once upon a time, but it got cancelled. As long as the leaks are recent, we have no reason to believe it's cancelled, and they certainly would not reveal a headset if it was about to be cancelled.
 

Abriael_GN

RSI Employee of the Year
Uhh, yes it does? All the projects Valve are working on are new full AAA games, not ports. This isn't Half Life 1 in VR. This is going to be a new entry in the franchise.

You're still missing the point. It's gonna be some VR thing made to push some hardware that has nothing to do with the Half-Life people know and love, and nothing to do with the Half-Life 3 people have wanted for over a decade.

Ergo, not really Half-Life.

Wake me up when they actually make a core PC FPS that can be played on traditional screens instead of a gimmick-pusher that an overwhelming portion of the fans of the franchise won't be able to play and won't even care to play. Kthxbye.
 
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Romulus

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Slapping the name "Half-Life" on some VR thing for the sake of pushing a headset doesn't make it a Half-Life game.

It could be a side story thing, but it doesnt have to be. In 2015, I would have thought that was more likely, now, that's the only way I would want to play it. Full blown games work extremely well in VR now.

My guess? HL3 is coming, but itll be a VR and monitor game, with VR being the intended way to play.
 

Kadayi

Banned
Didn't they just announce a new rift like a week ago?

It's not clear whether Valve is directly involved in that now. It's an HTC product at the end of the day.

There will definitely be a new Half Life game. There's far too much known at this point to suggest otherwise.

I think you grossly overestimate how much value that franchise has after all of this time.

Uhh, yes it does? All the projects Valve are working on are new full AAA games, not ports. This isn't Half-Life 1 in VR. This is going to be a new entry in the franchise.

Because a new entry in VR is what those of us who bought EP1 & 2 on the basis of EP3 coming out in a timely fashion really want 12 years down the road /S
 
You're still missing the point. It's gonna be some VR thing made to push some hardware that has nothing to do with the Half-Life people know and love, and nothing to do with the Half-Life 3 people have wanted for over a decade.

Ergo, not really Half-Life.

Wake me up when they actually make a core PC FPS that can be played on traditional screens instead of a gimmick-pusher. Kthxbye.
Half Life has always been at the forefront of pushing innovation in gaming forward. You're never going to get a Half Life game live up to expectations because it is no longer possible to revolutionize the FPS genre. Not without VR or without breakthroughs in AI/Physics which are further off.

I get that you're just some salty VR hater and want to eat your slice of the pie, but this is ideal for the franchise. It's the only way it can actually push gaming forward again.
 
It's not clear whether Valve is directly involved in that now. It's an HTC product at the end of the day.



I think you grossly overestimate how much value that franchise has after all of this time.



Because a new entry in VR is what those of us who bought EP1 & 2 on the basis of EP3 coming out in a timely fashion really want 12 years down the road /S
You seem very confused. Rift S has nothing to do with HTC. This is definitely not related to HTC either, as HTC already announced 2 new headsets this year, and there's nothing to gain with partnering with HTC - they are a lost cause.

I also never said anything about the value of the franchise in public perception terms. Sure, people might want episode 3 or Half Life 3, but just wait until it releases and see how it fairs. If it's not that great then fine, it was a misstep. If it's winning GOTY, then clearly they chose the right path and people should accept it.
 
Yep. One who isn't enthused for the same things you are is absolutely a "salty hater"

Lol.
Calling it a gimmick is hating, because it's simply not true. I'm sure you have your reasons, such as 'because I say so' but believe me, they aren't actual reasons, just delusions.
 
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Abriael_GN

RSI Employee of the Year
No, this is objective. VR cannot be defined as a gimmick period.

I just did, and many others do. Looks like it can. VR in its current form can most definitely be defined a gimmick, and if you think that's a rare opinion, even among those who tried VR extensively, you're out of touch with reality.

You're entitled to think what you want of VR, but your personal opinion doesn't a fact make. "Objective" doesn't mean what you think it means.
 
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Romulus

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Put aside your platform preference for a moment.

You have to admit that putting a big name title on your own hardware makes business sense. You get to release the game that everyone has been waiting for 14 years on YOUR platform first. They could make it exclusive or timed for like year or more then bank off all the other ports later for hold outs.
 
I just did, and many others do. Looks like it can. VR in its current form can most definitely be defined a gimmick, and if you think that's a rare opinion, even among those who tried VR extensively, you're out of touch with reality.

You're entitled to think what you want of VR, but your personal opinion doesn't a fact make.
Objectivity is absolute. Your opinion does not make something objective. My opinion does not either. It simply is what it is, and that's not a gimmick. VR is a medium of it's own that adds real value to the world, to humans, and to life in general. How can that be a gimmick? Within the context of gaming, it adds new value in many ways and improves gaming in various ways. Again, cannot be classified as a gimmick for this reason.

People who have tried VR extensively very rarely call it a gimmick, and those that meet that condition but also understand what VR is capable of (two different things) would never think of it as a gimmick because they have the brains and the knowledge to know the difference,
 
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Put aside your platform preference for a moment.

You have to admit that putting a big name title on your own hardware makes business sense. You get to release the game that everyone has been waiting for 14 years on YOUR platform first. They could make it exclusive or timed for like year or more then bank off all the other ports later for hold outs.
I seriously doubt Valve will release it exclusively for their headset as they support open-storefronts. I'm sure all PC headsets will work but the best experience will of course be on the Valve HMD.
 

Abriael_GN

RSI Employee of the Year
Objectivity is absolute. Your opinion does not make something objective. My opinion does not either. It simply is what it is, and that's not a gimmick. VR is a medium of it's own that adds real value to the world, to humans, and to life in general. How can that be a gimmick? Within the context of gaming, it adds new value in many ways and improves gaming in various ways. Again, cannot be classified as a gimmick for this reason.

People who have tried VR extensively very rarely call it a gimmick, and those that meet that condition but also understand what VR is capable of (two different things) would never think of it as a gimmick because they have the brains and the knowledge to know the difference,

May want to get out of your super-niche VR evangelist bubble. TONS of people who tried VR extensively call it a gimmick. Lots of people can't even enjoy it because it still makes them sick.

You just blurted out a bunch of personal opinions stating them as fact and then calling em objective.
 
May want to get out of your super-niche VR evangelist bubble. TONS of people who tried VR extensively call it a gimmick. Lots of people can't even enjoy it because it still makes them sick.

You just blurted out a bunch of personal opinions stating them as fact and then calling em objective.
Yeah, no. I'm not in some bubble. I have come into contact with tens of thousands of people that have tried VR, and it has always been very rare for them to think of it as a gimmick.

VR hardware doesn't make people sick by itself. It's a cause in software, and therefore avoidable, so long as IPD is correct and FPS hits 90 consistently.
 
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Romulus

Member
I still really doubt it. It just doesn't seem to support Valve's mindset. If they are desperate enough, then perhaps, but I wouldn't count on it. I think that they will sell more than enough by brand name alone.

I just think there will be something about the headset that fundamentally makes it the preferred choice to play their games. Perhaps not time exclusiveness.
 

AlexxKidd

Member
Congratulations Valve, from a proud PSVR owner. Welcome to the club.

The PC market is SO wide open, can so many headsets coexist? Seems like there's a new one coming out every other month. The Valve name should give this one an instant fanbase though, I have more faith in its staying power than perhaps even the Vive. But let's see the price and what's under the hood first.
 

Shai-Tan

Banned
I think people who are defending it are just saying it can provide compelling experiences in contrast to gimmicks like Kinect which never worked well at all. The tech is still evolving, is expensive, and games content isn't quite there but that could change in the future.
 

Kadayi

Banned
This post bought to you by the letter D said:
You seem very confused. Rift S has nothing to do with HTC. This is definitely not related to HTC either, as HTC already announced 2 new headsets this year, and there's nothing to gain with partnering with HTC - they are a lost cause.

WTF are you on about? I'm talking about the Vive, The other guy (without a forum avatar) confuses the Rift with the Vive. I know this hasn't got anything to do with HTC because their names not on it.

I also never said anything about the value of the franchise in public perception terms. Sure, people might want episode 3 or Half Life 3, but just wait until it releases and see how it fairs. If it's not that great then fine, it was a misstep. If it's winning GOTY, then clearly they chose the right path and people should accept it.

Half-life is a dead franchise at this juncture. Valve fucked it into the ground through sheer inaction. Now there was a time and place to deliver Episode 3, and it was about 12 - 18 months after episode 2 , beyond that point interest outside of gaming forums, has largely waned as other game franchises have come to the fore.

The idea that you're going to launch your new go it alone VR product and your flagship game is going to be a sidecar experience for a franchise you basically left unattended for 12 years, does not seem like a smart play, versus going with something innovative, new and not lumbered with baggage.
 
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I just think there will be something about the headset that fundamentally makes it the preferred choice to play their games. Perhaps not time exclusiveness.
The Knuckles controllers and the field of view. Rumors also suggest some kind of haptic headphones or something weird going on there. Basically whatever hardware they have built, all of their games will take advantage of it in a way that no game has done so for VR. This is the Nintendo approach that Gabe always wanted to do.
 
WTF are you on about? I'm talking about the Vive, The other guy (without a forum avatar) confuses the Rift with the Vive. I know this hasn't got anything to do with HTC because their names not on it.



Half-life is a dead franchise at this juncture. Valve fucked it into the ground through sheer inaction. Now there was a time and place to deliver Episode 3, and it was about 12 - 18 months after episode 2 , beyond that point interest outside of gaming forums, has largely waned as other game franchises have come to the fore.

The idea that you're going to launch your new go it alone VR product and your flagship game is going to be a sidecar experience for a franchise you basically left unattended for 12 years, does not seem like a smart play, versus going with something innovative, new and not lumbered with baggage.
He knew Rift wasn't from HTC or Valve. His comment was in relation to seeing yet another headset announcement and/or the shots fired with the IPD slider.

Valve have 3 VR games in the works. Who knows what the other two are. As for innovative, you can't be serious right? They have a chance to be extremely innovative with any franchise they take into VR. This is a whole new medium to play with. Redefining the FPS genre is totally their ideal goal here. Half Life has always been this franchise that pushes things forward, so it makes perfect sense.

As it happens, bringing a franchise into VR is much more effective for marketing because it has hype built up around it. There's a reason why new IPs like Astro Bot and Lone Echo are hidden gems, because they are new IPs and the media doesn't cover VR much unless it's a big franchise.
 
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Kadayi

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He knew Rift wasn't from HTC or Valve. His comment was in relation to seeing yet another headset announcement and/or the shots fired with the IPD slider.

Are you his lawyer?

Valve have 3 VR games in the works. Who knows what the other two are. As for innovative, you can't be serious right? They have a chance to be extremely innovative with any franchise they take into VR. This is a whole new medium to play with. Redefining the FPS genre is totally their ideal goal here. Half Life has always been this franchise that pushes things forward, so it makes perfect sense.

Innovative doesn't matter, price point matters. Valve could have 20 VR games in production, but unless they are coming out the gate with a truly affordable VR solution that the majority of PC Gamers are going to embrace it doesn't matter one iota.

As it happens, bringing a franchise into VR is much more effective for marketing because it has hype built up around it. There's a reason why new IPs like Astro Bot and Lone Echo are hidden gems, because they are new IPs and the media doesn't cover VR much unless it's a big franchise.

Sure, if your franchise is GTA, The Witcher or Elder Scrolls but Half-life?

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The last entry was over 12 years ago and Valve didn't even have the decency to conclude the episodic trilogy.

I get it that you're jizzing your pants over the nova prospect of playing VR catch with Dog, but most gamers these days missed the window on the franchise and don't have any nostalgia for it. Sure I dare say some critics would likely love it, but that's not necessarily going to translate into audience interest.
 
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Are you his lawyer?



Innovative doesn't matter, price point matters. Valve could have 20 VR games in production, but unless they are coming out the gate with a truly affordable VR solution that the majority of PC Gamers are going to embrace it doesn't matter one iota.



Sure, if your franchise is GTA, The Witcher or Elder Scrolls but Half-life?

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The last entry was over 12 years ago and Valve didn't even have the decency to conclude the episodic trilogy.

I get it that you're jizzing your pants over the nova prospect of playing VR catch with Dog, but most gamers these days missed the window on the franchise and don't have any nostalgia for it. Sure I dare say some critics would likely love it, but that's not necessarily going to translate into audience interest.
You just said innovation is smart. Now innovation doesn't matter?

Price maters, sure. But people can still buy other VR headsets as I very very highly doubt these will be exclusive to Valve's headset.

And you do realize that people went bananas over the FF7 remake, right? Half Life is right up there. System Shock 3 is a thing now too, and the last System Shock game was 20 years ago.
 
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KyoZz

Tag, you're it.
I'm curious to see what they got. But no Half Life 3, I think with the long wait they can't come up with something that will content everyone
Give me two new IP, Portal 3 with VR support and I'm good !
 

Hissing Sid

Member
Hahaha! A new mainline Half-life game? From current Valve? Oh my word. That’s a good un that is. Pull the other one it’s got bells on.

*Dashes away tears of laughter*.

Besides, Half Life 2 was a giant fucking snooze-fest. I remember falling asleep during an awful vehicle section and being shocked back into conciousness by a lit cigarette burning it’s way down to my knuckles.

A crappy DVD case instead of a big box, no instruction manuals and shitty extra software to install. Fucking, ugh.

Valve. Not a fan.

Half Life 1 was ok though.
 
Congratulations Valve, from a proud PSVR owner. Welcome to the club.

The PC market is SO wide open, can so many headsets coexist? Seems like there's a new one coming out every other month. The Valve name should give this one an instant fanbase though, I have more faith in its staying power than perhaps even the Vive. But let's see the price and what's under the hood first.
Welcome to the club?
 

Whitesnake

Banned
Basically confirmed by what a guy basically said.

The guy who basically made Half-life by myself.

Look up Marc Laidlaw.

Explain the almost 4 years of Half Life VR leaks then which are as recent as 2 weeks ago, and the many different sources that contacted press about a new Half Life game shipping with the headset?

There will definitely be a new Half Life game. There's far too much known at this point to suggest otherwise.

There is still at least one of the Half Life writers at Valve, and still a bunch of Half Life veterans.

I mean it’s possible, but since valve has spent the last 11 years dodging questions about Half Life it’s foolish to set your hopes so high.
 
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