BRZBlue
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That was called FFXIV 1.0, and it was crap.
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Naoki Yoshida wants the next Final Fantasy to be more Fantasy, have less machines and no mecha
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That was called FFXIV 1.0, and it was crap.
xellos2099alpha
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If you ask me, 1.0 was too realistic and why it fail. There was nothing fantasy about 1.0 before yoshi is onboard.
Robot Carnival
Member
Yoshi-P is seriously my fav gaming industry personal in recent years. I would love for the game to get back to more fantasy theme instead of the "sci-fi" stuff.
Velius
Banned
Square's story writing is fucked. They can't put together any compelling narratives anymore which is a damn shame because one thing they're great at is making good characters and creating beautiful worlds.
They're missing only one thing but it's just so damn pivotal.
Final Fantasy XV is so utterly frustrating and heartbreaking.
They're missing only one thing but it's just so damn pivotal.
Final Fantasy XV is so utterly frustrating and heartbreaking.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
I personally stopped caring for FF after importing XIII. The game was too easy, the characters weren't as interesting as XII's, and it just left me feeling alone as a fan. I was excited to get XV, but it's everything I didn't want Final Fantasy to be.
My love came from the PS1 era because I actually wanted to read what characters were saying. I liked 7-9. 9 brought back the world of dragons, castles, and magic. One of my favorite FF's is 6.
I want to like Square as much as I use to, but I feel like they've lost a lot of their quality over the years. Too many ports, using older games to sell new ones, and waiting so long for another entry. The transition from 8 to 9 was better,I'd go so far as to say 6-12 did very well. They love their tech demos, but the main game strays from the overall charm of the franchise.
How long have we waited for the VII Remake? Two console gens. It might as well be the last Final Fantasy game some traditional fans ever play. Releasing so many ports of VII is awful IMO. I have the game on so many platforms now. I remember going to the game store and seeing the greatest hits on the clearance isle thinking about how long it had sat there. That was like when GameCube games were still being sold.
I'm excited about Final Fantasy, but I think their whole "a game for old and new fans" is BS. They haven't touched their golden years, maybe Realm Reborn did it, but the two MMO's are beside the point here.
Square can make things appear magical and they can bring a wonderful fantasy world to life, but they keep making crap. No offense, but sometimes I feel like they forced Noctis and his pals on the fans. I'd take Squall and Zidane over him any day of the week.
My love came from the PS1 era because I actually wanted to read what characters were saying. I liked 7-9. 9 brought back the world of dragons, castles, and magic. One of my favorite FF's is 6.
I want to like Square as much as I use to, but I feel like they've lost a lot of their quality over the years. Too many ports, using older games to sell new ones, and waiting so long for another entry. The transition from 8 to 9 was better,I'd go so far as to say 6-12 did very well. They love their tech demos, but the main game strays from the overall charm of the franchise.
How long have we waited for the VII Remake? Two console gens. It might as well be the last Final Fantasy game some traditional fans ever play. Releasing so many ports of VII is awful IMO. I have the game on so many platforms now. I remember going to the game store and seeing the greatest hits on the clearance isle thinking about how long it had sat there. That was like when GameCube games were still being sold.
I'm excited about Final Fantasy, but I think their whole "a game for old and new fans" is BS. They haven't touched their golden years, maybe Realm Reborn did it, but the two MMO's are beside the point here.
Square can make things appear magical and they can bring a wonderful fantasy world to life, but they keep making crap. No offense, but sometimes I feel like they forced Noctis and his pals on the fans. I'd take Squall and Zidane over him any day of the week.
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Werewolf Jones
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Cannae be fucked multi quoting since I'm always on mobile but... Nomura should not be removed or leave. However he has way too much creative control when he makes low bar, campy silly and trashy games. He has never made anything truly ambitious, his legacy is a Disney and Final Fantasy cross over which has a nonsensical plot. His designs are also incredibly stale. Amano had six games and Nomura has had more than that in the Final Fantasy series. It's time for some fresh faces.
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kevin_trinh
Member
The biggest problem of Nomura is he does not know how to manage.
KH 3: 13yr
FF 15: 10+ yr
FF 7 rmk: another 10+ yr?
And yes, his story writing is trash too.
KH 3: 13yr
FF 15: 10+ yr
FF 7 rmk: another 10+ yr?
And yes, his story writing is trash too.
Boss Mog
Member
More like the other way around. FFXI is a real FF game first and foremost with MMO elements added on top of it whereas FFXIV feels more like a FF-themed reskin of WoW.
Nobody I know that has played both extensively has ever said FFXIV was the better game, the only people that usually say that are people that either never played FFXI or who just played it a bit in passing and never accomplished anything. Overall the storylines in FFXI are better and so is the OST, by a lot. The thing that really sets them apart though is the battle system. FFXI required skill and intelligence to fight well whereas FFXIV is just your typical MMO combat where you continuously mash abilities when their cooldown is up and run around like a headless chicken to dodge boss attacks. Movement and positioning during battles in FFXI also play a role but it's much more subtle and nuanced.
Everybody I know who played FFXI extensively have said to me that they have never experienced a game like it before or since, and that it's their fondest gaming memory by far. There was a real sense of community. You really had to work together and forge real friendships to figure things out and get stuff done, there wasn't a wiki with all the answers. Don't believe me, just read the Youtube comments on some of the game's great music tracks:
Airbus Jr
Banned
Indeed
Nomura is the biggest problem, the real elephant in the room for Square Enix
Should never again be involved in any upcoming final fantasy project or any other future game development
ookami
Member
Always respected Yoshida. The way he took the project and handled the development of the game or the communication with the community was truly innovative for Square-Enix. Since then, you can notice the change in the way the company interacts with its community from games to games. Even when I have a divergent opinion with him, I know he is not making choices lightly and stay open to discussion with players. I wish we had more people like him managing projects at Square-Enix.
I'm curious about what he could achieve on a Final Fantasy title, not MMO oriented.
I'm curious about what he could achieve on a Final Fantasy title, not MMO oriented.
That's not even a story problem it's just production, like all of SE's other issues. It's the same reason FF7R is going to suck: they're going to spend all that money and effort re-creating Midgar and just let you waltz out of the city in a few hours? No. You'll be doing fetch quests and other tedious bullshit for ages while the narrative crumbles under the weight of "open" design. No intricate plotting, no consistent pacing, just mountains of filler to get as much mileage out of the assets as possible. Everyone who knew the score gave up when they announced that the game would be episodic. It's just gonna be a repeat of FFXV, because none of the fundamental problems with making a normal JRPG have been solved and there's no incentive to do so until people stop gobbling up whatever pigslop gets put in front of them. They can still write the stories, but you're going to end up watching them on Netflix instead.
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SLoWMoTIoN
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Does he seriously expect people to care about FF after all the blunders Squeenix has had and delays of multiple games? Squeenix had 10 years to win me back and the closest they came to this was WoFF but that was thrown in the trash and it received little to no support. Hell we didn't even get physical re-releases in the states...
Airbus Jr
Banned
Does he seriously expect people to care about FF after all the blunders Squeenix has had and delays of multiple games? Squeenix had 10 years to win me back and the closest they came to this was WoFF but that was thrown in the trash and it received little to no support. Hell we didn't even get physical re-releases in the states...
Well I do get your talking point but the emphasis of this article is about bringing back the classic medieval fantasy style which old school fans adore and miss
Maybe you're right (about what you're complaining) but that a topic for another day
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SLoWMoTIoN
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Bringing back the "classic" style isn't the main reason FF isn't what it used to be anymore. Its an entirely different series with recurring monsters/spells at this point.
Airbus Jr
Banned
Well what do you expect for the next game?
Let us know
Because final fantasy game always change from time to time and each series
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SLoWMoTIoN
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What do I expect from the next FF? Prob an Action RPG that handles like a Gust game without the soul or good music. Unfinished, even if the game takes 10+ years to make. Maybe even trilogy again! Protag is reborn in the real world because a director's waifu has to materialize irl london. (again!) Some tired royalty/betrayal theme without a single likable character, hey guys its Cid! Summons! Darkness! Toned down females but shirtless men. At least 4 of them. Jpop in the background and maybe even idol dancing.
a multicultural team of v
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Yes, and FFIX had a freaking alien spaceship and cloning and all sorts of stupid shit when it went off the rail at the end.
Voost Kain
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Did everyone in this thread forget that Final Fantasy 1 has robots and a space station? What do you mean "traditional final fantasy setting"?
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GenericUser
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Does this man have anything to say when it comes to the next FF? I doubt so tbh.
xellos2099alpha
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Come on,Riko Kupenreich, that is a bit of bias don't you think. XI was a good game that have a zero respect for player's time. I play all the way to WOTG so I understand why it is loved. Do you remember failing a boss fight at wrong time mean you cannot redo the fight for 2 hours because of 2 hours ability. I admit COP had some of the best FF story of all time but I felt Dragonsong war in xiv surpess it already by a whole lot.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
I'm sorry, did you just say FFXIV was comparable to FFXI? Where do you live? I'm going to come to your town, pick you up, and take you to therapy myself.
A single player game, that is not semi-turn based....dude how does this compare to the greatest MMO of all time?
Jigsaah
Gold Member
I wouldn't mind a single player FFXVI either....and technically, if we are following history, the next MMO should be FFXVII. However, if and when this happens, I want FFXI style mechanics in a modern MMO. For the single player, my favorite so far was FFVIII...yep liked it better than 7 and 9. I think I'm drawn to the more realistic (if you wanna call it that) iterations. So that would be like 8, 10, 12, 13, 15....wait...when's the last time we had a traditional 7 or 9ish styled Final Fantasy?
Ok I change my mind. Single player, FF9 style...make it super fantasy...I'm talking angel wings, frog princes, chibi-medieval (yes i just made that up), travel by horseback and nautical airships. I would like full world exploration. Screw FF13's formula. I need Cait Sith, yellow eyed-no-faced black mages with floppy wizard hats and bring back the materia system in some form from 7. That is all.
Well FF really got awful with XV. I really hope they get back to their roots and make something make like FF <X.
Graphics aren't that important. I really don't know why they had such a big focus on graphics with FF XV.
They really shouldn't have changed just everything that made FF what it once was. If they want to create something new, don't name it that way.
You don't buy a fifa game to play a shooter. That's how it felt to play FF XV. Totally wrong genre than expected with that name on it.
Still waiting for Lost Odyssey 2, well I really hope it gets an exploreable map. This was really missing in that game. But well at least the water could be explored.
Graphics aren't that important. I really don't know why they had such a big focus on graphics with FF XV.
They really shouldn't have changed just everything that made FF what it once was. If they want to create something new, don't name it that way.
You don't buy a fifa game to play a shooter. That's how it felt to play FF XV. Totally wrong genre than expected with that name on it.
Still waiting for Lost Odyssey 2, well I really hope it gets an exploreable map. This was really missing in that game. But well at least the water could be explored.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
Played FFXI extensively and I still prefer FFXIV to it. It is just the better game. Better world design, story, characters, gameplay, etc.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
My heart is literally breaking right now.
Boss Mog
Member
I don't really believe you. I doubt you played until "rhapsodies of vanadiel". You're allowed to have your opinion but it's definitely a minority opinion.
VulcanRaven
Member
Good. Final Fantasy 9 is the only game in the series I have played more than few hours. I would definitely be interested if they made a new game like that.
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Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
I would argue the same to you. I believe you have nostalgia goggles on. I enjoyed what I played of FFXI, don't get me wrong, but I find FFXIV to be a better game and everyone I used to raid with feels the same.
Bolivar687
Banned
I'd like to see a better balance and more coherent, thoughtful art design. FFXIII was just high def blobs of monsters and tech. Machinery served a narrative purpose in FFVI and VII.
Boss Mog
Member
There's no nostalgia involved, I only stopped playing FFXI in 2017. It's a shame most of the player base moved on because I'd argue that FFXI is better now than it's ever been. Seekers of Adoulin brought so much great end game content, and Job Points were a great addition.
The Snake
Member
Didn't VIII have cars, space ships, and teleporters?
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
I still remember the horror in my soul when they unveiled cars and machine guns in FFXV.
Here’s hoping they go back to FFXI style, re-focus on story and MUSIC.
Here’s hoping they go back to FFXI style, re-focus on story and MUSIC.
Holgren
Member
Has anyone who worked on the games actually said this? I always thought the futuristic elements were just cribbed from the Wizardy series and Heavy Metal magazines.
I mean, it makes sense. I was just curious.
Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy both have a very distinct mythos today, which is probably the key to their success. Neither is really a pastoral, Tolkien-esque fantasy game anymore. Even FFIX is more Final Fantasy than anything else.