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[FlutterPuffs]

Not a fan of DF or MS not mentioning it in the specs, when it clearly is. A custom/modified Jaguar? Sure. A custom x86?? Come on man.

 

[platina]

SCORPIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Escorpio???

 

[Kaako]

SCORPIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hahah yes. We going full Scorpio today!

 

[Wedzi]

SCORPIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Beef man redeemed

 

[splattered]

That was miscommunication that was quickly cleared up by DF. It's 2.0. You're not going to see 2.1 on a console for a while.

Alright so then my option is to buy new 4k TVs this year with 2.0 to go with our new Scorpios, then the following year when the Scorpio Slim is unveiled with 2.1 i'll be stuck with HDMI 2.0 technology cause I didn't wait?

Haha Crap..

Well hopefully this question comes up and is fully and honestly answered by the end of the year so I can make a safe decision on our TV refreshes.

 

[Jumeira]

SCORPIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What have you done with our boy Statham? He's nowhere to be seen

 

[Poster#1]

Do you guys think the system will release before fall? Like in the summer?

 

[Shogmaster]

Not really....I was interested in scorpio even though I have pro, I like console gaming and IQ / performance.

But on my 55 inch living room TV 4K Panny I cant tell if its 1440p upscaled, 2160 checkerboard or 2160 native - it really is diminishing returns above 1080p unless you TV is huge or you sit uncomfortably close like at a desk,.

And my thoughts are Scorpio is a great design, If I had an XB1 I would upgrade day 1, but its not much better than a Pro as IQ will be hard to see at such high IQ anyway.

Both will be solid 30 or 60 FPS depending on game, the 10 % faster CPU is not going to get a 30 game to 60 - If it was ZEN then it would and I would switch.

Geez, with that attitude, you should have just moved the couch back couple more feet and let your panny upscale the 1080p PS4 output to 4K. lolz

 

[singhr1]

A big meh from me.

I'm sure this is a great achievements in terms of what could be possible in a console. In terms of specs everyone seems pleased so that's great!

But 1.5X the speed of PS4 Pro is not going to change the tides in favour of Xbox. Especially as so few people give a shit about 4k at this point.

If PS4pro didn't change the world, why would Scorpio.

Disclaimer: Pc player, but not what you'd call an elitist. My gpu is about the level of a 1060, so weaker than Scorpio.

It's a mid-gen refresh not a new console gen. Nothing at this point will significantly shake Playstation's dominance. A LOT of people are starting to care about 4K as those panels drop in price pretty heavily.

Nobody is calling this revolutionary. But it does seem to be an impressive piece of kit.

 

[Aztechnology]

Because it's pointless. It's obviously not targeted at someone who prefers gaming on a high end gaming PC.

That's not true though. I bought an Xbox one, PS4 and now have a pro. I sold my Xbox a long while back, but I'd certainly consider it. I like physical media alot.

It's a good value add. It's why I play a lot of games on Pro and was happy even created a thread talking about how I liked it in conjunction with my PC. I would consider the same for Xbox if they can provide a compelling reason. Although I understand a large portion of that incentive is lost as they branch out and expand their base to both console and PC.

 

[RowdyReverb]

How does the leap from Xbox One to Scorpio compare to OG Xbox to Xbox 360? The time between them is about the same

 

[massucci]

A big meh from me.

I'm sure this is a great achievements in terms of what could be possible in a console. In terms of specs everyone seems pleased so that's great!

But 1.5X the speed of PS4 Pro is not going to change the tides in favour of Xbox. Especially as so few people give a shit about 4k at this point.

If PS4pro didn't change the world, why would Scorpio.

Disclaimer: Pc player, but not what you'd call an elitist. My gpu is about the level of a 1060, so weaker than Scorpio.

Scorpio it's RX 480 with some boost. Doubt there is a universe between the two.

 

[Nostremitus]

So, I'm reading this as slightly better performance than PS4 Pro due to its GPU also being held back by the Jaguar CPU. I know they talked about DX12 built into the GPU (it's built into all modern GCN GPUs, so until I see proof otherwise that's just marketing speak.) but the fact that they admit 30fps games won't be able to move up to 60fps says a lot about CPU bottlenecks (despite their above DX12 GPU claims) considering how much more powerful the GPU is compared to XBO.

 

[wesleyshark]

Not a fan of DF or MS not mentioning it in the specs, when it clearly is. A custom/modified Jaguar? Sure. A custom x86?? Come on man.

The DF video goes into how this is a "Jaguar Evolved" CPU. They haven't hidden the fact that it's based off Jaguar. Glad you caught them in their Big Lie though.

 

[2blackcats]

The specs are great and all but as a primarily PC gamer with decent PC (1070+i7 4770) I really don't see a reason or incentive for me to buy this console over PS4 pro. Software drive Hardware sales and the competing products are offering much more, be it from Sony or Nintendo.

MS needs to invest more into games and new IP, not just hardware.

I completely agree but let's give them a chance, E3 is only 2 months away.

 

[Theorry]

Do you guys think the system will release before fall? Like in the summer?

They said a year ago Holiday 2017. Doubt that will change.

 

[Complicated]

I would bet Microsoft produces about as many Scorpios as they sell through Xbox One S's this holiday.

 

[daman824]

Not really....I was interested in scorpio even though I have pro, I like console gaming and IQ / performance.

But on my 55 inch living room TV 4K Panny I cant tell if its 1440p upscaled, 2160 checkerboard or 2160 native - it really is diminishing returns above 1080p unless you TV is huge or you sit uncomfortably close like at a desk,.

And my thoughts are Scorpio is a great design, If I had an XB1 I would upgrade day 1, but its not much better than a Pro as IQ will be hard to see at such high IQ anyway.

Both will be solid 30 or 60 FPS depending on game, the 10 % faster CPU is not going to get a 30 game to 60 - If it was ZEN then it would and I would switch.

Its not enough to consider Pro to Scorpio though, the 10 % upclock is not worth the change.

People tried to make these same arguments back in 2013.

I can instantly tell the difference between watchdogs 2 running on a PS4 vs. a PS4 pro. Even on a 1080p tv.

 

[yankeehater]

Do you guys think the system will release before fall? Like in the summer?

As day as the next forza would be my guess.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

I very much doubt it. Scorpio will easily outsell Xbox One S this fall unless there are manufacturing problems that limit the number they can make or unless Scorpio costs $600.

Living up to that tag!

 

[Daante]

Always intresting with new hardware, and ultimatley more options for consumers.

Without really good exclusives, and physical 4k uhbd take off for real (read much LOWER prices) im not sure the Scorpio will close the gap to ps4 user base significantly.

I most likely wont buy one, but i welcome competiton open heartly for Sony and my ps4 pro.

 

[Samurai G0SU]

SCORPIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

New info from 343i coming soon for halo5?

 

[Shogmaster]

Not a fan of DF or MS not mentioning it in the specs, when it clearly is. A custom/modified Jaguar? Sure. A custom x86?? Come on man.

They spent a whole minute explaining it's a 16nm FF Jaguar with more clock and DX12 functionality added to the silicon. Who the hell is hiding the Jaguar-ness?

 

[Steve Youngblood]

SCORPIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Scorpio, you're totally mad!

 

[RedAssedApe]

SCORPIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

imagining "THIS IS SPARTA!!!!" moment

 

[Maxwell House]

So, I'm reading this as slightly better performance than PS4 Pro due to its GPU also being held back by the Jaguar CPU. I know they talked about DX12 built into the GPU (it's built into all modern GCN GPUs, so until I see proof otherwise that's just marketing speak.) but the fact that they admit 30fps games won't be able to move up to 60fps says a lot about CPU bottlenecks (despite their above DX12 GPU claims) considering how much more powerful the GPU is compared to XBO.

The reason 30 fps games can't move up to 60 fps is due to limitations of the original game code, not because Scorpio hardware couldn't handle it. The article specifically mentioned this.

 

[Space_nut]

So, I'm reading this as slightly better performance than PS4 Pro due to its GPU also being held back by the Jaguar CPU. I know they talked about DX12 built into the GPU (it's built into all modern GCN GPUs, so until I see proof otherwise that's just marketing speak.) but the fact that they admit 30fps games won't be able to move up to 60fps says a lot about CPU bottlenecks (despite their above DX12 GPU claims) considering how much more powerful the GPU is compared to XBO.

Slightly? No

 

[TrojanBlade]

Well seems like a good upgrade to XB1S and from Pro but this is not next gen good. I think that will start with PS5 with more modern architecture and newer components.

Curious to see how games run and look on it.

 

[Terbinator]

An interesting point - IMO - from the article is the section about the chip yields and CPU/Boards going through QC to ensure those lofty clocks can be hit w/o overheating:

It's a technique that Microsoft calls the 'Hovis method', named after the engineer who developed it. Every single Scorpio Engine processor that comes off TSMC's production line will have its own specific power profile. Rather than adopt a sub-optimal one-size-fits-all strategy, Microsoft tailors the board to match the chip.

Initial console batches: power, acoustics and so on could be all over the show in the early days. If they are really going this in-depth with QC they may as well have gone for a full unlocked GPU.

 

[KageMaru]

It's interesting to see all of the reactions and conclusions people are jumping to on both sides of the fence.

He is not far from the truth, show me a rig that can run Forza 6 full 4k60FPS with 60% GPu utilization ?

I can run Forza Apex 4K maxed out at 100fps on my PC. I'm sure if I limit to 60fps and turn down some settings, I'd have plenty of GPU overhead left.

Yes solely in terms of potential GPU power.

Actually no it's not the same leap in performance.

I very much doubt it. Scorpio will easily outsell Xbox One S this fall unless there are manufacturing problems that limit the number they can make or unless Scorpio costs $600.

No way. Even MS acknowledges this is a niche product. The XBOS will be their number one seller this holiday season.

 

[Bustanen]

12GB of ram, 326gb/s bandwidth, 6TF newer architectural gpu, 2.3 custom CPU

Pro went a different route. They mostly kept the same tech of base PS4 but just doubled gpu power. It's good to run games in higher res but not much else especially with no extra ram running much higher

It's Polaris like the Pro. And jaguar like the Pro. What's custom remains to be seen but I doubt it'll matter much.

 

[singhr1]

Not a fan of DF or MS not mentioning it in the specs, when it clearly is. A custom/modified Jaguar? Sure. A custom x86?? Come on man.

EVERYTHING IS A CONSPIRACY

 

[FlutterPuffs]

The DF video goes into how this is a "Jaguar Evolved" CPU. They haven't hidden the fact that it's based off Jaguar. Glad you caught them in their Big Lie though.

Big lie? No. Im just bloody annoyed, not thinking it's nothing other than PR.

I just like the comparison to be more truthful. Especially when they went through the trouble of mentioning it in the vid, and the article, but why fail to mention it in the comparison chart?

 

[massucci]

Not a fan of DF or MS not mentioning it in the specs, when it clearly is. A custom/modified Jaguar? Sure. A custom x86?? Come on man.

Let's be honest here: the whole DF site it's in full PR MS mode. There are some interesting tech aspects about Scorpio but everythings it's put in the light to show the bright side of the hardware.

 

[The_Lump]

I put the whole thing together, why not. Minimum size it's going to be, outlined in blue. Seems compact à la One S.

Nice, but why does the box extend a good inch or two further than the pcb/fan casing on the left hand side? Looks like you could shave a bit off there?

 

[geordiemp]

Geez, with that attitude, you should have just moved the couch back couple more feet and let your panny upscale the 1080p PS4 out to 4K. lolz

Its what I see, most 4K looks great but there is not that much difference, if a game offers me 1080p60 or 4K30 I would always choose the high frame rate. Thats why I love COD, it just feels good.

The problem is both my current Pro and the new Scorpio alternative are they have shit CPU's and will forever be 30 FPS consoles on games like Witcher 3.

Its not an issue, Scorpio being a slightly better PRO is a wise choice and good selection of tech available, but I want a console that can do game like Bloodbourne or Witcher at 1080p60, and that needs an I5 class CPU IMO...

 

[mcrommert]

Alien technology from the Roswell crash confirmed. In all seriousness, that sure is slick looking.

you do know those paths won't look like that on the real board right?

 

[Aztechnology]

They spent a whole minute explaining it's a 16nm FF Jaguar with more clock and DX12 functionality added to the silicon. Who the hell is hiding the Jaguar-ness?

So what kind of improvements over the standard Xbox One are they talking about for CPU besides increased clock speeds.

 

[wesleyshark]

Well seems like a good upgrade to XB1S and from Pro but this is not next gen good. I think that will start with PS5 with more modern architecture and newer components.

Curious to see how games run and look on it.

No one has or will claim this as next gen. It's a mid gen refresh.

 

[Space_nut]

It's Polaris like the Pro. And jaguar like the Pro. What's custom remains to be seen but I doubt it'll matter much.

Where you get Polaris from?

 

[jim2point0]

Do you guys think the system will release before fall? Like in the summer?

Didn't they already announce this for Christmas 2017?

 

[Syrus]

So, I'm reading this as slightly better performance than PS4 Pro due to its GPU also being held back by the Jaguar CPU. I know they talked about DX12 built into the GPU (it's built into all modern GCN GPUs, so until I see proof otherwise that's just marketing speak.) but the fact that they admit 30fps games won't be able to move up to 60fps says a lot about CPU bottlenecks (despite their above DX12 GPU claims) considering how much more powerful the GPU is compared to XBO.

Thats not what they meant.

They meant games that are 30 fps by developer choice will not become 60fps.

Maybe if the devs unlock the framrate though

 

[Madness]

I very much doubt it. Scorpio will easily outsell Xbox One S this fall unless there are manufacturing problems that limit the number they can make or unless Scorpio costs $600.

No way. The cost will be prohibitive no matter what an improvement it is. At the end of the day this is targeted to current Xbox Owners. Not even PS4 Pro outsold the slim.

If this was a new console maybe, but it is still an Xbox One. And will be $399 to $499 whereas they will probably clear as much of their 500gb Xbox One S stock for under $199 or less.

 

[FlutterPuffs]

Relax by the way, my first post in this thread was "fucking impressive" which still stands true.

Not doing any false concern, or trolling but just weirded out that they chose to leave out the jaguar detail in the comparision.

 

[The Ummah]

SCORPIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[wesleyshark]

Big lie? No. Im just bloody annoyed, not thinking it's nothing other than PR.

I just like the comparison to be more truthful. Especially when they went through the trouble of mentioning it in the vid, and the article, but why fail to mention it in the comparison chart?

Let's be honest here: the whole DF site it's in full PR MS mode. There are some interesting tech aspects about Scorpio but everythings it's put in the light to show the bright side of the hardware.

I wish DF would stop lying through their teeth already and give us the real, unbiased facts.

 

[Shogmaster]

Its what I see, most 4K looks great but there is not that much difference, if a game offers me 1080p60 or 4K30 I would always choose the high frame rate.

The problem is both my current Pro and the new Scorpio alternative are they have shit CPU's and will forever be 30 FPS consoles on games like Witcher 3.

Its not an issue SCorio being a slightly better PRO, but I want a console that can do game like Bloodbourne or Witcher at 1080p60, and that needs an I5 class CPU IMO...

Well yeah. Games like Witcher 3 that is basically a PC game multiplat to consoles, you will get huge CPU bottleneck. That's why they have PC version for.

PS4 Pro and Scorpio aren't best for those games. They are best for console first than PC port games.

 

[Kayant]

Not a fan of DF or MS not mentioning it in the specs, when it clearly is. A custom/modified Jaguar? Sure. A custom x86?? Come on man.

That's a good point as the ISA isn't changed so really DF should have listed the same as Xbox one.

 

[Complicated]

SCORPIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any word on a 4k patch for Halo 5? It's gonna be fun seeing those 30fps enemy animations with better texture filtering.

 

[jasminlovesyoux]

This is one of the worst console reveals I've ever seen in the history of videogames. Specs are meaningless. Games need to be shown off. This is not what I was expecting to be shown with the Scorpio. I need to see crack down 3 with its new destructible tech. Impress me Microsoft!!!!!!!