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Wkd BO 12•23-25•16 - bomba Ass, Passengers, Sing as audiences continue to go Rogue

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kswiston

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So Batman v Superman finishes the year in 8th place, and Suicide Squad in 9th place. Less than a decade ago, $325M would have been good for a top 3 finish.
 

kswiston

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Rogue One is now at $615M worldwide.

Edit: Disney is at around $7.355B for 2016 to date worldwide. They sould finish the year around $7.5B
 
What does Disney's 2019 look like? 2018 is going to be good, but not $10 billion good, I think, unless something blows up that we aren't expecting.
 
So considering Rogue One's Monday #s, and the word of mouth continuing to be decent - how we thinkin' the New Years' weekend is going to play out? Saturday is probably gonna take a bit of a hit again as a lot of theaters close down after 7pm, but Monday is going to be a day off for a lot of places too.
 

kswiston

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So considering Rogue One's Monday #s, and the word of mouth continuing to be decent - how we thinkin' the New Years' weekend is going to play out? Saturday is probably gonna take a bit of a hit again as a lot of theaters close down after 7pm, but Monday is going to be a day off for a lot of places too.

I want to see Wednesday numbers before making any new predictions, but I think what I said last week won't be too far off.

Rogue One should easily hit $450M domestic by Mon, Jan 2nd unless this weekend shows a larger drop than is historical. Passing A New Hope's gross by that date seems fairly likely. A Phantom Menace (with 3d gross) falls the following weekend at the latest. A week from now if R1 hits $65M this weekend (in 3 days). Monday will likely be in the $15M+ range.
 

kswiston

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So, A New Hope leaves the domestic top 10 by the end of 2017 after a 40 year run on the list.

Incredible year. Chances 2017 tops it?

I don't think so at the moment. I'd guess that both their animated stuff and MCU stuff will be down vs this year. Star Wars might be on par or down (something like a third of that $2B+ TFA gross was this year, so it will depend on how hard Ep 8 can hit in 2 and a bit weeks).
 
I don't think so at the moment. I'd guess that both their animated stuff and MCU stuff will be down vs this year. Star Wars might be on par or down (something like a third of that $2B+ TFA gross was this year, so it will depend on how hard Ep 8 can hit in 2 and a bit weeks).

It'll be interesting to watch. On the Marvel side I think it might actually be pretty close to this year. I think Guardians 2 could easily gross in the 800 - 900 million range and Thor 3 could outgross Doctor Strange with the addition of Hulk playing a big part.

I realize Spidey isn't technically a Disney property but are they getting any of the cut of that gross at all?
 

BumRush

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So, A New Hope leaves the domestic top 10 by the end of 2017 after a 40 year run on the list.



I don't think so at the moment. I'd guess that both their animated stuff and MCU stuff will be down vs this year. Star Wars might be on par or down (something like a third of that $2B+ TFA gross was this year, so it will depend on how hard Ep 8 can hit in 2 and a bit weeks).

Oh yeah, my brain was counting spidey.
 
What does Disney's 2019 look like? 2018 is going to be good, but not $10 billion good, I think, unless something blows up that we aren't expecting.
'19 has Avengers 4 - which will mark the end of everything Marvel's been leading up to since phase 1, Episode IX - the end of the sequel trilogy, the return of Toy Story, TWO live action fairy tale films, Indiana Jones 5, a Walt Disney Animation project, and Captain Marvel. Most of those are either potential or guaranteed billion grossers, and the likely smallest film, Captain Marvel, still has being Marvel's first female lead movie going for it. They also have a DisneyToon movie coming, but that's small time stuff.
 
So, A New Hope leaves the domestic top 10 by the end of 2017 after a 40 year run on the list.



I don't think so at the moment. I'd guess that both their animated stuff and MCU stuff will be down vs this year. Star Wars might be on par or down (something like a third of that $2B+ TFA gross was this year, so it will depend on how hard Ep 8 can hit in 2 and a bit weeks).
As morbid as it sounds, EpVIII now has the death boost going for it. That is the only thing making me think VIII won't drop as hard as originally thought.
 
As morbid as it sounds, EpVIII now has the death boost going for it. That is the only thing making me think VIII won't drop as hard as originally thought.
It'll probably stave off the drop in casual viewers, at least in part, who will come back to see Fisher's final performance, but repeat showing are still going to drop pretty significantly. I don't think there will be nearly as many people seeing it 3, 5, even 10 times like TFA.
 
'19 has Avengers 4 - which will mark the end of everything Marvel's been leading up to since phase 1, Episode IX - the end of the sequel trilogy, the return of Toy Story, TWO live action fairy tale films, Indiana Jones 5, a Walt Disney Animation project, and Captain Marvel. Most of those are either potential or guaranteed billion grossers, and the likely smallest film, Captain Marvel, still has being Marvel's first female lead movie going for it. They also have a DisneyToon movie coming, but that's small time stuff.

So even if Avengers and Star Wars and Toy Story each reach 1.5 billion, both live-action fairy tales and Indy and the WDAS project reach a billion, and Cap Marvel hits $750 (which would make it the best character debut ever, I'm pretty sure), we'd still only be looking at $9.25 billion, if my numbers are correct. So it would take either the DisneyToon movie blowing up major, or a couple of their Queen of Katwe/Finest Hours/BFG/Pete's Dragon level movies blowing up minor (as in $150-200 million) to get there. Yeah, we've got a ways to go.
 

Schlorgan

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So even if Avengers and Star Wars and Toy Story each reach 1.5 billion, both live-action fairy tales and Indy and the WDAS project reach a billion, and Cap Marvel hits $750 (which would make it the best character debut ever, I'm pretty sure), we'd still only be looking at $9.25 billion, if my numbers are correct.
They might as well shut it all down at that point. ;P

If we think this year was bad about creating and pushing a narrative of a successful movie bombing, we ain't seen nothing yet.
Wait until Episode VIII only does $1.5 billion
 
I'm thinking Thor will see a decent increase over the last entry but I won't comment until we see how they advertise it. I think GOTG has a good chance of going 1 billion plus depending on competition of course. The first had such incredible WOM and the marketing so far has been on point.
 
If Thor: Ragnarok is sold more like a Guardians movie and not a Thor movie, and the buddy comedy aspects of it are played up in the marketing (people like Goofy Hemsworth, and people love Ruffalo's Hulk, period) it could (probably should) be the highest grossing Thor by a considerable margin.
 
I'm thinking Thor will see a decent increase over the last entry but I won't comment until we see how they advertise it. I think GOTG has a good chance of going 1 billion plus depending on competition of course. The first had such incredible WOM and the marketing so far has been on point.

Yeah I'm not going as high as 1 Billion on Guardians but I don't think it's impossible. The first was very well loved and you have to think a lot of people have been exposed to it since that didn't watch the original in theatres. Still though 1 Bill just feels high to me. I think it does anywhere between 800 - 900. It would be pretty surprising with anything less.

I also agree I think Thor 3 is up over Dark World. That film was pretty mixed with the reception and this one has Hulk prominently featured which should help a little bit.
 

kswiston

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Guardians of the Galaxy would have made $675M and Thor 2 would have made maybe $550M based on today's exchange rates. That needs to be taken into consideration.
 

BumRush

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If Thor: Ragnarok is sold more like a Guardians movie and not a Thor movie, and the buddy comedy aspects of it are played up in the marketing (people like Goofy Hemsworth, and people love Ruffalo's Hulk, period) it could (probably should) be the highest grossing Thor by a considerable margin.

Agreed. They can't showcase it as a generic Thor-fights-countless-generic-enemies type
 

BLACKLAC

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If Thor: Ragnarok is sold more like a Guardians movie and not a Thor movie, and the buddy comedy aspects of it are played up in the marketing (people like Goofy Hemsworth, and people love Ruffalo's Hulk, period) it could (probably should) be the highest grossing Thor by a considerable margin.

You ain't lying, 18 million on this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVnBBjjjAnY&index=148&list=PL3t6ToE_EmAsSbh37ZQf1fG3mHUlnn56U&t=8s

Wait...Spiderman Homecoming won't be part of Disney's income?

Nope.
 

kswiston

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I don't know if it was mentioned already, but 2016 is officially the biggest year in domestic box office history, beating last year's record.
 
Guardians of the Galaxy would have made $675M and Thor 2 would have made maybe $550M based on today's exchange rates. That needs to be taken into consideration.

Ouch exchange rates are that rough right now? Didn't realize that and yeah that may well indeed hold the gross back a bit.
 

Schlorgan

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No, I am serious. It may be the highest grossing, but I wanna know what the most expensive year for costs was. Just for perspective.

Captain America: Civil War - $250 million
Finding Dory - $200 million
Zootopia - $150 million
The Jungle Book - $175 million
The Secret Life of Pets - $75 million
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - $250 million
Deadpool - $58 million
Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them - $180 million
Suicide Squad - $800 million
$175 million
Doctor Strange - $165 million


Total - $1.5 billion for the top 10, not counting marketing. When R1 passes Strange, its budget is only $25 million more so it doesn't really affect the total.
 
Guardians of the Galaxy would have made $675M and Thor 2 would have made maybe $550M based on today's exchange rates. That needs to be taken into consideration.

Barring a change in exchange rates that does make a billion look unlikely. Still I'm expecting a significant increase.
 

kswiston

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No, I am serious. It may be the highest grossing, but I wanna know what the most expensive year for costs was. Just for perspective.

It would take forever to back check every year (or at least the past decade, since budget inflation puts earlier years out of contention), but I can show you what 2016 looked like. Just not on the bottom of this page :p
 

3N16MA

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It would take forever to back check every year (or at least the past decade, since budget inflation puts earlier years out of contention), but I can show you what 2016 looked like. Just not on the bottom of this page :p

We are counting on you to crunch the data. You're kswiss.
 
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