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Super late to the party on this one, but hey better late than never. I rewatched Paprika the other day when my university's film club showed it in the student cinema and re-experiencing that film made me want to look at Satoshi Kon's other works, which I had never gotten around to doing. First on the list was Perfect Blue, which I watched last night.

It's a stressful movie, to say the least. I genuinely felt mentally drained and emotionally exhausted by the time the credits rolled and that upbeat jazz tune came on alongside them. Stunned and trying to process everything I had seen - let it sink in overnight (fully expected to have some nightmares about it honestly, which isn't something that happens typically) and read an essay on it today by Joji Sakurai (which I highly recommend, it's a great read) - I actually want to watch it again soon to see it more clearly and make my own impressions.

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I know it comes off as pretentious, but "visceral" really is the best word I can think of to describe Perfect Blue. We could be talking about the rape scene, the murders, the big chase at the climax of the movie, or the famous bathtub scene. It's honestly really difficult for me to put my thoughts and appreciation for the movie into eloquent words like it deserves, but what more can I say? There were times I almost paused the movie just to give myself a break and some time to process everything that was happening, but I'm glad I didn't. The editing and direction were superb, and the movie proves without a shadow of a doubt that Satoshi Kon was a genius of his craft. Did Mima murder the photographer? I honestly don't know. The surreal string of events that made up the latter half of the movie are still a blur until I watch it again, and maybe even a third time. The nuances of Kon's direction and the lack of a big "a-ha" moment a la Fight Club even after the big twist really made this special for me. Oh, and of course the actual animation is incredible. LOVE the art style.

As usual after I watch a movie or show I care enough to read about, I checked to see any GAF threads and was sad to see that the most recent thread was from like three years ago. Curious to see what the GAF of today thinks of it!

P.S. How does Millennium Actress compare? Student cinema is showing that next week I think, I haven't seen it.
 
I feel like the idol stuff would play better to a western audience now, now that kpop and AKB48 have leaked into popular consciousness (at least for young people).

In the 90s the Asian idol stuff kind of had to be explained to you. It really didn't quite map onto Britney Spears or whoever.
 
I somehow have not seen PB yet, but Millennium is fuckin A that's what

Cool. :]

I feel like the idol stuff would play better to a western audience now, now that kpop and AKB48 have leaked into popular consciousness (at least for young people).

In the 90s the Asian idol stuff kind of had to be explained to you. It really didn't quite map onto Britney Spears or whoever.

Yeah, I'm familiar with idol/otaku culture. It definitely helped having that context in mind. I had a pretty sharp distaste for it beforehand and PB's portrayal of the culture isn't something I'm not used to.
 
One of my favorite movie.
Framing, animation, editing all done to the perfection. The VSH feel add a some nuance to overall tone of the movie too.

RIP Kon.
 
Dario Argento at his best.....as an animated film. An absolute stunning masterpiece. One of my top 25 films of all time. An absolute mindfuck.
 
Black Swan is better than Perfect Blue
Paprika is better than Inception
Millenium Actress is better than all four
 
Perfect Blue is really good. The very last scene may be a bit too tidy, but otherwise it's quite impressive, using Kon's love of delusions and dreams to maximum effect.

Kon peaked at Millennium Actress and Tokyo Godfathers, which are both masterpieces in different ways; the ending of Paranoia Agent and then Paprika were a step too far into dreamland. If you like his work you should also watch Magnetic Rose from Memories, which he only wrote but which has a similar fascination with the dangers of blurring the line between reality and fantasy. The episode he directed of the 1993 Jojo OVAs is pretty neat as well.
 
Perfect Blue is really good. The very last scene may be a bit too tidy, but otherwise it's quite impressive, using Kon's love of delusions and dreams to maximum effect.

Kon peaked at Millennium Actress and Tokyo Godfathers, which are both masterpieces in different ways; the ending of Paranoia Agent and then Paprika were a step too far into dreamland. If you like his work you should also watch Magnetic Rose from Memories, which he only wrote but which has a similar fascination with the dangers of blurring the line between reality and fantasy. The episode he directed of the 1993 Jojo OVAs is pretty neat as well.

Paprika was about dreams so its seems odd to criticize it for failing to play in reality enough.
 
I recently watched Perfect Blue for the first time, and while I really enjoyed it, I honestly wish the ending was left a little more ambiguous. I think finding out what actually happened and having it all tucked away nicely kinda brought it down a little bit for me. Still really liked it, and definitely had a knot in my stomach for most of it.

I somehow have not seen PB yet, but Millennium is fuckin A that's what

Your thread is what finally got me to watch Millennium Actress. Definitely his best film and I think it makes the film better if you have an understanding of who Setsuko Hara was.
 
Honestly I didn't expect that ending at all but maybe I'm just slow on the uptake LOL

What's the movie about

A girl struggling with shedding her pop idol persona and the beginning of her career as a drama actress in the Japanese entertainment industry, while a string of murders begin happening around her. Psychological horror, big focus on Disassociative Identity Disorder.
 
Honestly I didn't expect that ending at all but maybe I'm just slow on the uptake LOL

A girl struggling with shedding her pop idol persona and the beginning of her career as a drama actress in the Japanese entertainment industry, while a string of murders begin happening around her. Psychological horror, big focus on Disassociative Identity Disorder.

Don't forget about the sexualization. Oh god, the sexualization.....
 
Don't forget about the sexualization. Oh god, the sexualization.....

(I always just assume LTTP threads are gonna be spoiler heavy but fuck it, JUST IN CASE)

The murder of the photographer, where the nude photos he took of her flashed on screen after every stab as she sat on top of him hacking away really shook me. That's the particular scene that made me want to pause to collect myself.
 
Brilliant film, one of my favourites of all time. I love the ending as well, even if it is a little on the nose with that final shot. Millennium Actress is a nice buffer after Perfect Blue actually. It's also about a female actress and switches between her life on and off screen but without any intent to deceive and certainly not framed in such an oppressive, occasionally gruesome way in which Perfect Blue tells its story.
 
Brilliant film, one of my favourites of all time. I love the ending as well, even if it is a little on the nose with that final shot. Millennium Actress is a nice buffer after Perfect Blue actually. It's also about a female actress and switches between her life on and off screen but without any intent to deceive and certainly not framed in such an oppressive, occasionally gruesome way in which Perfect Blue tells its story.

In MA, Kon isnt criticizing some aspect of culture. His other works do, particularly in Perfect Blue and Paranoia Agent.
 
Paprika was about dreams so its seems odd to criticize it for failing to play in reality enough.

The problem with the Paranoia Agent ending and Paprika isn't that they aren't realistic enough, but that they become an incoherent, confused mess with half a foot in character drama and half a foot in random surreality. So they fail to cohere on any level.
 
Great timing with the thread, watched the movie for the first time just 3 days ago. Very fun movie, kinda feel like I should watch "Black Swan" next to compare those two. At least from the story summary Black Swan sounds pretty similar.

Also inb4 Monster LTTP pops up just after I'll finish that series.
 
I still need to watch Perfect Blue and Millennium Actress. I never have gotten around to watching them yet. This thread also reminded me that I needed to get the Satoshi Kon artbook. I just went to Amazon and fixed that.
 
It's been a long time since I've seen it. I should watch it again. It was the very first "mindfuck" story I had ever watched as a teenager. It took me a few days before I felt normal again. The movie is a hell of a trip.
 
(I always just assume LTTP threads are gonna be spoiler heavy but fuck it, JUST IN CASE)

The murder of the photographer, where the nude photos he took of her flashed on screen after every stab as she sat on top of him hacking away really shook me. That's the particular scene that made me want to pause to collect myself.

The rape scene really got to me. I don't normally have a huge issue with scenes like this, but even in this movie where it is very explicitly fake in the context of the film and that they're just shooting a scene, I was VERY uncomfortable. They even pause and you think it's over and the guy apologizes and it just keeps going. The exploitative nature of the photo shoot scene really bothered me too. THE WHOLE DAMN THING BOTHERED ME. I don't consider myself to be someone who is easily jostled by a film, especially not something animated as it takes a little bit of the realism out, but somehow that heightened it here. Almost removes any of the humanity a normal actor would display, just leaving this pure raw filth.
 
In MA, Kon isnt criticizing some aspect of culture. His other works do, particularly in Perfect Blue and Paranoia Agent.
I... would not disagree with you haha, was there something I said which made you think that? I was meaning that PB and MA have a somewhat shallow connection in terms of sharing similar protagonists and Kon blurring reality so watching MA afterwards could feel like some sort of follow up. And of course unlike Perfect Blue, Millennium Actress is a much more pleasant film and yes, it doesn't have an underlying critique of culture going on although I'm sure someone could think up an oppositional reading into the film in that vein.
 
Honestly I didn't expect that ending at all but maybe I'm just slow on the uptake LOL



A girl struggling with shedding her pop idol persona and the beginning of her career as a drama actress in the Japanese entertainment industry, while a string of murders begin happening around her. Psychological horror, big focus on Disassociative Identity Disorder.

This sounds strangely a lot like Persona 4.
 
I just wanted to add that this movie is in my top 5 of all time. When I saw it for the first time it happen during a rough time in my life so it has some type of emotion attach to it.

I haven't seen Millenium Actress or Paranoia Agent, do you guys know if it is available in Hulu?
 
This sounds strangely a lot like Persona 4.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was some inspiration from Perfect Blue in P4, particularly Rise's storyline. It's a lot darker though and the story is told in a very different way. I didn't really make the connection until I was writing that down.
 
Every Frame a Painting is great. I also remembered someone did a video essay on themes Satoshi Kon touched on in his work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp-IjV0wjIo

I really wanted to watch that but I wanna check his other movies first haha. I saw the Every Frame a Painting video years ago after I watched Paprika (great channel) but I want to save the rewatch until later as well.

shit been meaning to watch this. should I watch it subbed or dubbed?

I usually prefer dubs, but I definitely think you should see this one subbed.
 
FLCL and Bebop are better dubbed imo but I will def watch this subbed if it's the best way to go.

Both of those are exceptions to the rule that I agree with you on. Maybe add Dragon Ball Z (Goku's awful Japanese voice) to that list and maybe BECK Mongolian Chop Squad. Pretty much everything else is strictly sub in my mind.
 
"Nobody likes you anymore. You're tarnished! Filthy!"

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Super late to the party on this one, but hey better late than never. I rewatched Paprika the other day when my university's film club showed it in the student cinema and re-experiencing that film made me want to look at Satoshi Kon's other works, which I had never gotten around to doing. First on the list was Perfect Blue, which I watched last night.

It's a stressful movie, to say the least. I genuinely felt mentally drained and emotionally exhausted by the time the credits rolled and that upbeat jazz tune came on alongside them. Stunned and trying to process everything I had seen - let it sink in overnight (fully expected to have some nightmares about it honestly, which isn't something that happens typically) and read an essay on it today by Joji Sakurai (which I highly recommend, it's a great read) - I actually want to watch it again soon to see it more clearly and make my own impressions.

tumblr_o4mb8rX9Vi1upe1ufo1_500.gif


I know it comes off as pretentious, but "visceral" really is the best word I can think of to describe Perfect Blue. We could be talking about the rape scene, the murders, the big chase at the climax of the movie, or the famous bathtub scene. It's honestly really difficult for me to put my thoughts and appreciation for the movie into eloquent words like it deserves, but what more can I say? There were times I almost paused the movie just to give myself a break and some time to process everything that was happening, but I'm glad I didn't. The editing and direction were superb, and the movie proves without a shadow of a doubt that Satoshi Kon was a genius of his craft. Did Mima murder the photographer? I honestly don't know. The surreal string of events that made up the latter half of the movie are still a blur until I watch it again, and maybe even a third time. The nuances of Kon's direction and the lack of a big "a-ha" moment a la Fight Club even after the big twist really made this special for me. Oh, and of course the actual animation is incredible. LOVE the art style.

As usual after I watch a movie or show I care enough to read about, I checked to see any GAF threads and was sad to see that the most recent thread was from like three years ago. Curious to see what the GAF of today thinks of it!

P.S. How does Millennium Actress compare? Student cinema is showing that next week I think, I haven't seen it.

I adore Perfect Blue, but Millennium Actress is one of my all time favorites.

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Please do. Perfect Blue is fucking amazing.
 
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