Lots of good food for thought. In this version you would think Superman would be at least a little wary - given the reputation a well established Batman would have. I must admit the anticipation of the fight is a bit of a double edged sword for me - something I really want to see yet dread will be handled in a way I find implausible (in a movie about super heroes).
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Lots of good food for thought. In this version you would think Superman would be at least a little wary - given the reputation a well established Batman would have. I must admit the anticipation of the fight is a bit of a double edged sword for me - something I really want to see yet dread will be handled in a way I find implausible (in a movie about super heroes).
ViewtifulJC
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Lets just go ahead and call it what it is, Plot Armor. It allows them the power to handwave any thing that seems like it wouldn't work in live action compared to how on the comic page where you fill in the blank.
"How could Batman survive a full speed tackle through a building, and thrown at 100 MPH into a light? Plot Armor can withstand everything plus Superman is holding back he just said it it was a lightly forceful tackle"
"How could Batman get behind Superman in like 3 seconds without a dude with superhearing/x-ray vision/superspeed knowing? Plot armor has Silent Footsteps also he's a ninja"
"How could Batman block a punch from Superman? Plot armor has a light Kryptonite colgone that subtly weakens Supes, plus Supes was holding back remember"
"How could Batman avoid that laser blast when he had all the time in the world to do that Dark Knight Returns pose with the thunder in the background? Plot armor slows down Superman's lasers so Batman can pose and still dodge, plus Supes was holding back remember"
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
they've been neutering supes a lot whenever bats is around
gotta shill the bat guy, hell you can already see it in this thread an its love for TDKR
broncobuster
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Takes me back to those asking why the guy with a minigun kept aiming at Captain America's shield and not his exposed legs.
...questioning why the guy with a minigun kept aiming at the super soldier from WW2's indestructible vibration dampening magic in all but name shield.
ViewtifulJC
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the real answer to all these questions is always "because then the movie would be over/would be more boring"
"why didn't they just shoot Robocop in his exposed mouth"
"why didnt they just fly on the Eagles in LotR"
"Why didnt they just shoot the horses in westerns"
"why didn't they do a million other things in time travel movies"
You're just gonna have to accept this general conceit that a character who was created to do literally anything could go 1-on-1 with a exceptionally athletic but still totally vulnerable human. The movie will pay lip service to it and shit to try and make it believable("If I wanted it, you be dead already!" "You can't win, its suicide!" "My armor/fists/guns/deodrant is laced with Superman's plot weakness Kryptonite!"), but this is it, b. Either you with this shit or you aint. Saved yourself a lot of time asking questions like "why is Superman, who can fly from Metropolis to outer space in mere seconds, just laying there as Batman slowly jumps on top of him" and "Why is Superman, who has bullets bounce off his chest, taking punches from Batman and get bloody". Just don't think about it too hard. Accept the mystery.
"why didn't they just shoot Robocop in his exposed mouth"
"why didnt they just fly on the Eagles in LotR"
"Why didnt they just shoot the horses in westerns"
"why didn't they do a million other things in time travel movies"
You're just gonna have to accept this general conceit that a character who was created to do literally anything could go 1-on-1 with a exceptionally athletic but still totally vulnerable human. The movie will pay lip service to it and shit to try and make it believable("If I wanted it, you be dead already!" "You can't win, its suicide!" "My armor/fists/guns/deodrant is laced with Superman's plot weakness Kryptonite!"), but this is it, b. Either you with this shit or you aint. Saved yourself a lot of time asking questions like "why is Superman, who can fly from Metropolis to outer space in mere seconds, just laying there as Batman slowly jumps on top of him" and "Why is Superman, who has bullets bounce off his chest, taking punches from Batman and get bloody". Just don't think about it too hard. Accept the mystery.
He's able to focus in though and there's no reason not to in a fight. And even if Bruce has his heartbeat masked, his movements should still be audible.
I'm not actually complaining about any of this though, I'm not taking the movie that seriously anyway.
I'll quote myself
Also, it's raining, Superman would probably hear loud drums if trying to super hear anything.
Also it's a comic book movie.
Jesus Christ.
Here, refresh your memory
Also, it's raining, Superman would probably hear loud drums if trying to super hear anything.
Also it's a comic book movie.
Jesus Christ.
You have to think this is a guy who built a suit to beat the entire league. As much as people say he's a regular dude he's, he's not.
I don't think the blanket statement of plot armor on everything batman makes. It totally devalues the character and makes this into "we wanted them to fight so we made him a bunch of stuff to survive" instead of the character actually using his toolset to do these things.
Messypandas
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Yeah. If you want to get into teh "logic" Supermans hearing would be fucked during rain. I'm pretty sure it wasn't that great in MOS anyway. He could hear kids whispering about him through walls, but i'm not sure he was ever on the level of sitting on the ISS in space and listening to a phonecall in China like Routhman.
ViewtifulJC
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There ya go. I just saved you a lot of time making excuses and rationalizations to months of questions that will be asked in the BvS thread for months, years to come.
Lotta easier than saying, "The thing is, Superman is just testing Batman's limits because reasons" and "Superman isn't at full strength because reasons" and "Batman prep time he's like really smart and also kryptonite gloves"
Jesus Christ. Did you even watch this movie? Did you not see the scene where he tells Zod his parents taught him to only focus on what he wanted to sense? Christ almighty Jesus watch the fucking movie Christ
flaxknuckles
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I hope Superman has a first encounter where he bulldozers through Batman and Green Lantern like he did in Justice League War. Then later have a fight where Batman has more effective strategies in his armor.
Stay down, if I wanted it, you'd be banned already.
Chill. And this is a joke quoting the movie btw
Jack Remington
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I'm hoping Batman gets some good hits in just using the suit, no Kryptonite. The best part of the fight in TDKR was before Superman gets hit with the Kryptonite, when Batman is holding his own for a bit.
FallingEdge
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you can ban people?
That was a joke. I'm quoting the movie. And I'm afraid if I respond he'll go into a meltdown.
bob_arctor
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Great clip. I do wish Supes' suit really shone through that rain though, contrast would have been perfect.
FallingEdge
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ohh gotcha
flaxknuckles
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nope, Zack don't do it.
This is also why I usually hate reading comic books.
"Nice try, Joker but I had anticipated that you would pull a trick like this that is why I equipped by special goggles to see through your disguise. It uses special particle emitters to reflect light at a specific part of the spectrum revealing things unseen to the naked eye."
"That's why I made sure to bring back up."
"Damn, I'll have to use my special three-shot batarang to take them down. Hopefully Lucius worked out all the kinks from the initial testing. The last time I tried the gadget it nearly took out my eye."
"Nooo, I won't let you win. Take this!"
"Ah, how did I miss his knife hidden inside his shoe. Well, it's a good thing I upgraded the Batsuit with its new nano-fiber armor, it seems to have absorbed most of the blow..."
Meanwhile, I'm like:
Jack Remington
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Because shooting robocop in his mouth has the same effect shooting a terminator in his mouth.
Not one fucking person is going to be happy with the Batman vs. Superman fight and there will be a million fucking complaints on the internet and gaf about how the fight lived up to no ones expectations. Mark my FUCKING WORDS.
Well word from people who have seen the movie (A very special person in particular) already says the Doomsday fight is the highlight, not this one. As it should be. 3rd act and all that.
You can nitpick any fight. Those complaints aren't anything new. It's Superman fighting Batman. That fight isn't for Superman fans, it's for Batman fans. In order for the fight to work at all regardless of the involvement of Kryptonite Superman has to be made to look arrogant or stupid. It's the only way Batman has a chance. A competent and aware Superman beats Batman right away. 10 out of 10.
Inferno313
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Do you have a link to these impressions?
Wait really? I would love to read those points.
Screaming Meat
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This is also why I usually hate reading comic books.
"Nice try, Joker but I had anticipated that you would pull a trick like this that is why I equipped by special goggles to see through your disguise. It uses special particle emitters to reflect light at a specific part of the spectrum revealing things unseen to the naked eye."
"That's why I made sure to bring back up."
"Damn, I'll have to use my special three-shot batarang to take them down. Hopefully Lucius worked out all the kinks from the initial testing. The last time I tried the gadget it nearly took out my eye."
"Nooo, I won't let you win. Take this!"
"Ah, how did I miss his knife hidden inside his shoe. Well, it's a good thing I upgraded the Batsuit with its new nano-fiber armor, it seems to have absorbed most of the blow..."
Meanwhile, I'm like:
Maybe read Batman comics later than '63.
Discotheque
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impressions are relative. like if that guy found the final zod fight and the helicarriers scene in winter soldier to be "great action" then i'm suspect about that scene. but on the other hand if they preferred the smallville one more or cap vs. bucky on the street then i'll be more excited.
these comic book movies have such a weird spectrum within them. they peak far too early now. i hope this one's third act doesn't shit the bed for me.
these comic book movies have such a weird spectrum within them. they peak far too early now. i hope this one's third act doesn't shit the bed for me.
I'm not sure I wanna start mining this thread with serious spoilers, take a look at the DCEU thread and look for the poster who carries the most spilled beans on this forum.
Diprosalic
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thats like saying i could beat up a 3 year old gorilla since i've been training judo for 20 years.
You could if you brought some bear traps and a gun. It's not just a fist fight.
Jack Remington
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With some power armor and an anti-gorilla rock? Sure, why not?
flaxknuckles
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But what if it was an adamantium gorilla?
AgentOtaku
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8/10
Well get you some anti metal gear and go to work son.
Michael F. Assbender
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It's sure to give a better performance than Leo in Revenant.
Unbound By Death
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I'll just dash through the smoke instead of flying over it.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Who'd win a fight? Hulk or Batman?
Jean Valjean
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Batman ALWAYS wins.
BKatastrophe
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This is also why I usually hate reading comic books.
"Nice try, Joker but I had anticipated that you would pull a trick like this that is why I equipped by special goggles to see through your disguise. It uses special particle emitters to reflect light at a specific part of the spectrum revealing things unseen to the naked eye."
"That's why I made sure to bring back up."
"Damn, I'll have to use my special three-shot batarang to take them down. Hopefully Lucius worked out all the kinks from the initial testing. The last time I tried the gadget it nearly took out my eye."
"Nooo, I won't let you win. Take this!"
"Ah, how did I miss his knife hidden inside his shoe. Well, it's a good thing I upgraded the Batsuit with its new nano-fiber armor, it seems to have absorbed most of the blow..."
Meanwhile, I'm like:
Is it still the Silver-Age?
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Why are people assuming lead smoke? Superman doesn't have X-Ray vision activated all the time. He has to decide to use it. And if Man of Steel taught us anything, it's that Batman would have plenty of time to move before Superman's dumb ass would even cognize the idea to use it because he's such a stupid motherfucker.
I'm sure they proposed the sketch and filmed it when they were actually filming the movie. Which is really forward-thinking.
It was probably meant to just end with Kimmel being hurled through space. The Martian bookend was much easier to coordinate and tack on for an extra laugh, and the Oscar dig had the added benefit of making the whole thing seem timely and recent instead something they sat on for a year.
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