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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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SparkleMotion
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Yes. They state it in the movie and it's a major plot point. That's why Luke gave up and disappeared.
Also, it makes certain jokes funnier.
"Rawr rawr." - "YOU'RE COLD?!"
is funnier than
"I'm cold" - *Han solo rolls eyes*
So it's good we have alien / robot languages we don't understand. It can give certain sentences more weight. Like the "It was his idea" one.
On the other hand it's good that some characters do understand them. Otherwise we'd need a C3PO character to always repeat what BB8 says.
The scene where Rey has Finn on the ground telling him he's a thief shows why this constellation (Rey speaks droid, Finn doesn't) works really great
Found it
This scene brought the house down. I couldn't hear like, the next 20 seconds of the movie.
Bobby Boulders
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Yeah I believe so. That's why Luke went into exile seeing as he failed with Kylo. Though it's debatable how far along in training they got. Judging by Ren's complete lack of control over his emotions and his thrown together lightsaber, he might have been too emotional from the beginning.
major grandpa issues.
How'd you like the movie?
brandonh83
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I thought Leia said something like this is why I wanted him to train with Luke, I got the impression he didn't and maybe things would've been better had he.
Fixed2BeBroken
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well, it's cause they aren't clones and are actual people this time.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Well that was by far the best Star Wars film. Holy cow.
Only nitpick was Leia's botoxes face. You would think in a galaxy far far away, there would be a better way to freeze a smile on someone's face.
Everything else was really, really good. I am no huge fan of the series, but obviously liked the OT well enough, and saw the prequels a few times,despite a lack of overall quality. So, so damn good.
Only nitpick was Leia's botoxes face. You would think in a galaxy far far away, there would be a better way to freeze a smile on someone's face.
Everything else was really, really good. I am no huge fan of the series, but obviously liked the OT well enough, and saw the prequels a few times,despite a lack of overall quality. So, so damn good.
Thank you! So annoying that the cinema is throwing the OV out so fast :/!
An apprentice, yes. His heir/apprentice/padawan, maybe. Because Leia says "That's why I wanted him to train with Luke" and talked about sending him away...I'm just more confused as to how Rey was involved. Because she had the dream of the ocean/islands (Ren pulls it out of her when he's in her head) and how that relates to Luke, and how in a flashback she sees the Knights of Ren murdering all the apprentices at Skywalker's academy. If she was present in either of those places, that would be very strange.
doctordoak
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Not "probably", they explicitly say that's the case in the movie.
What's funny is I thought it looked like they were showing that they were clones, until Finns line about being taken away as a baby.
esmith08734
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I guess I was confused because Leai said that she wished Luke trained Kylo? I thought Luke trained him but that line threw me off.
Echelon079
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not if this is the outline of the lighter.
see, only the front part has to be this big and circular, because it's where the hinge sits.
The part behind that can be thin to save space.
Uh, the arm goes right through the middle of the door as it opens ..
SparkleMotion
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I could have sworn that they say in the movie that Kylo Ren was an apprentice of Luke, and that's why he disappeared after. If not, it was so heavily implied that my brain just made me think they stated it directly.
I really just can't understand this at all, easily the very worst part of the prequel trilogy. Anakin's fall was rushed, petty, unbelievable that he'd kill children based on what we saw.
The Duel was one of the worst moments in the entire franchise "I have the high ground".
I'd be really interested to read what you felt was so good about these things.
Maybe she's the chosen one
brandonh83
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And I didn't think Carrie gave it her all. She's never been great but as I suspected she was there to fill a necessary hole. She wasn't bad and I'm glad she's there as it would've felt jarring otherwise but I suppose that's the tradeoff.
Grover Cleveland
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The clones were WAY more lethal than the OT era stormtroopers. Who were all actual people too.
gutter_trash
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how can Luke be Rey's father if she doesn't even recognizes him as a father?
how can Han and Leia be Rey's parents if she doesn't even recognizes them as her parents?
she has been marking down the days since she was abandoned, she knows their faces.
when she sees Luke, she doesn't go "fuck you Dad, why did you abandon me?", no she goes "wow, it is the great Jedi Knight, Luke Skywalker!!!!"
how can Han and Leia be Rey's parents if she doesn't even recognizes them as her parents?
she has been marking down the days since she was abandoned, she knows their faces.
when she sees Luke, she doesn't go "fuck you Dad, why did you abandon me?", no she goes "wow, it is the great Jedi Knight, Luke Skywalker!!!!"
Stormtroopers in original trilogy are not clones
KingHenrik30
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"Maz Kanata: A Star Wars Story (In theaters 2020)"
Nah, they did say that.
SparkleMotion
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They should have left all of her on the cutting room floor.
My speculation
It was a family that was convinced by Luke to have her trained, but once the whole Ren thing happened, they were all "fuuuuuuuuuuuck this noise" and hid her for her safety.
Bobby Roberts
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The info about what happened at Luke's temple is kinda spread out.
Han mentions Luke going into self-imposed exile after a student betrayed him and wiped out his other students. We don't know at the time, but Han's talking about his kid.
Then Rey has her vision, and we see Kylo standing in the rain around a bunch of dead bodies.
Then Leia, in that conversation with Han, mentions them realizing their son was breaking bad, and sending him to Luke in the hopes Luke could reverse it.
So basically: Han & Leia notice Ben is too Vader-ish for his own good, send him to Luke. Luke tries training him, but Ben goes south anyway, and falls in with Snoke, joining (and apparently quickly LEADING) the Knights of Ren. One night they slaughter everyone at Luke's school. Luke can't take this, and bails out.
They put the dots out there in the movie, but they don't connect them very clearly.
Bobby Boulders
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Definitely not going to read through 300+ pages but what did everyone think? I've been a huge SW fan since I was a little kid, midnight screenings at all prequels etc.
I thought VII was very very good. Yes it was partially a remake of IV, but I think it served as a fantastic new entry to the next trilogy. Was it perfect? No, but it did a lot of things right. I also liked Kylo Ren much more than I expected to. He was immature, whiny and emotional but given how much dark side users are encouraged to give in to emotions such as jealousy, hate, selfishness, it totally made sense for a young, untrained Jedi/potential Sith to fully go down this road, and I thought it was handled quite well.
Thoughts?
I thought VII was very very good. Yes it was partially a remake of IV, but I think it served as a fantastic new entry to the next trilogy. Was it perfect? No, but it did a lot of things right. I also liked Kylo Ren much more than I expected to. He was immature, whiny and emotional but given how much dark side users are encouraged to give in to emotions such as jealousy, hate, selfishness, it totally made sense for a young, untrained Jedi/potential Sith to fully go down this road, and I thought it was handled quite well.
Thoughts?
love how the movie deliberately kaboshes "greedo shot first."
specifically, when the wrathtars get loose, to get away from one Han throws one of the gang members at it to be eaten so he could get away.
han's number one rule "anything to save my ass"
the whole sequence was meh... but totally worth it for that part alone.
specifically, when the wrathtars get loose, to get away from one Han throws one of the gang members at it to be eaten so he could get away.
han's number one rule "anything to save my ass"
the whole sequence was meh... but totally worth it for that part alone.
B-B-Bomba!
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Luke could never understand R2,unless he was using his X-wing for translation.
"If you're saying coming here was a mistake, I'm beginning to agree with you."
He has no clue. But I don't mind Rey being in tune.
"If you're saying coming here was a mistake, I'm beginning to agree with you."
He has no clue. But I don't mind Rey being in tune.
Storm troopers were never clones. While some clone troopers became storm troopers
and one became an emperors guard - Lords of the Sith book
SparkleMotion
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Honestly, my favorite returning character from the OT was the gunner station on the Millenium Falcon.
Razgriz-Specter
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For some reason this movie is merging my hindsight of CW Anakin ontop of the PT which hadn't happened before as much as I loved the series.
She did an awful job in comparison to Ford.
Fixed2BeBroken
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i think in that same scene, ren is saying "maybe we should just switch back to clones" or whatever
I like how, despite being a quite funny movie, they didn't shy away from darker themes. Ben butchering Luke's students and Luke going into self-imposed exile as a result is pretty heavy.
Bobby Boulders
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It must be some type of in between right? Because obviously they're recruiting and they aren't all clones but according to Finn he was taken as a baby and trained, so there's a certain amount of indoctrination that's happening too.
ReadingRambo
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I loved how weighty all of the weapons were in this. Blasters looked genuinely painful and brutal, and that shot of the trooper's splintered armor when Finn ran him through with the lightsaber was sweet.
petethepanda
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As much as I'm in the "movie was at its best when it was focusing only on the new people" crowd, I wish Leia was given a little more to do.
Also wished Finn had some kind of moment at the end.
Also wished Finn had some kind of moment at the end.
BarringGaffner
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Did anyone else notice on the dash of the Falcon there was colour bar chart? It's in two shots looking out from behind them as they crash into the forest.
Mistake?
Mistake?
According to what I can gather
Prequels - Clones
Post-prequels to OT - Not Clones - recruited. (still dunno the reason to that. I just know that's the case. Care to fill me in SW GAF?)
Right now - born and raised treatment
i still don't get why he initially enters the BOTTOM turret when they're flying super low. Wouldn't the top turret be better suited?
i'd guess you can still always buy a few batallions on Camino. They're just not the main source of soldiers anymore.
Recruiting / drafting is probably cheaper, and since Order 66 has been executed and the Emperor rules totalitarian through fear, there's no need for clones.
You don't need to use spoiler tags. You're in the spoiler thread.
I'll go back and catch up, but Luke in TFA has to be one of the bigger cases of over selling a character's appearance. I really thought he was going to have a bigger role - or at least some role - in the film. Nearly everything about the ending scene didn't work for me: Luke and Rey should have exchanged words before she held out the lightsaber. And the orbiting closing shot was something that worked much better in concept than execution: it looked exactly like a helicopter flying in a circle around two actors standing on a large rock. It was the least effective closing shot in the series (and I'm including the prequels here).
I couldn't believe Luke got second billing in the closing credits. :lol
I remember in one of the visual dictionaries it's stated that only about a third of the clones survived to the empire days due to their advanced aging. Not sure how long that lasted in canon.
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