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New 'Star Trek' TV series planned for 2017, streaming on CBS All Access platform

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Lord Panda

The Sea is Always Right
Orci and Kurtzmann?

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FloatOn

Member
what was that thing in into darkness and enterprise?

where it was like star trek CIA people. I can't remember

they should do a show about those guys
 

Morts

Member
Section 31

A DS9 thing

No, they were the worst

Nah, they were fine. The best part of Section 31 though was getting William Sadler on the show. I thought they were utilized fine in Enterprise season 4 as well. In Into Darkness it was barely mentioned.
 

Divvy

Canadians burned my passport
Nah, they were fine. The best part of Section 31 though was getting William Sadler on the show. I thought they were utilized fine in Enterprise season 4 as well. In Into Darkness it was barely mentioned.

They were interesting, and it was done well on DS9. But they were assholes, and the last thing I want is a depressing new Star Trek show about them.
 

foxtrot3d

Banned
Section 31

A DS9 thing

No, they were the worst

Section 31 was baller in DS9 and unfortunately I felt, and I believe the writers felt too, that their counterarguments to their existence and tactics weren't particularly great. You can't have Sisko secretly murder a Romulan Ambassador and blame it on the Dominion in one episode and then have him admonish the existence of a secret Federation intelligence/paramilitary agency in the next. It's also strange for them to be so horrified that S31 tried to kill off the Founders through a biological weapon but then use said cure for weapon as a bargaining tool or peace. But, I definitely don't want a ST show about them especially since I don't trust any current TV writers to do them justice.
 

maharg

idspispopd
Nah, they were fine. The best part of Section 31 though was getting William Sadler on the show. I thought they were utilized fine in Enterprise season 4 as well. In Into Darkness it was barely mentioned.

...

Section 31 is literally the big bad of Into Darkness.
 

ivysaur12

Banned
So what's weird is that I thought this was going to be on Netflix. I guess they thought they could make more money by bringing it to CBS All Access and then doing traditional international sales. Still...
 
Just remember guys. ALL star trek series have a sucky first season.

I rewatched the first season of DS9 a few weeks ago and it wasnt terrible.

It was a bit slow but it wasnt terrible like S1 of TNG.


It was just really slow and a bit uneventful. The big season final conflict is Kaco Obrien being a asshole atheist to some priest who then started a small protest.
 

maharg

idspispopd
Peter Weller was, but wasn't the term "Section 31" only used once? You could be excused for not noticing the tie to prior Trek.

Marcus (Peter Weller) was the chief of Section 31. Khan bombing his facility (called out as S31) is the catalyst for everything that happens after.

I rewatched the first season of DS9 a few weeks ago and it wasnt terrible.

It was a bit slow but it wasnt terrible.


It was really slow. The big season final conflict is Kaco Obrien being a asshole atheist to some priest who then started a small protest.

To me boring is worse than just bad. At least the other shows had "WTF were they thinking??!?" moments to entertain, I find the first 2 seasons and much of the third of DS9 unwatchably dull.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Another area I disagree with the consensus is the idea that Into Darkness is grimdark (in spite of its name). It ends with a round rejection of the idea that we need to be saved from our optimism by shadowy operators who do bad things for us, which is the worst thing DS9 introduced to Trek (rendering all of TOS and TNG's optimism naive and moot). Not being grimdark isn't about no bad things happening, it's about how those things are dealt with.

TOS The Doomsday Machine isn't grimdark imo, and it deals with something destroying multiple planets.

It's about a government conspiracy to start a war in order to jump start a war economy, turning Starfleet from an organization about peaceful space exploration to one focused entirely on making bigger starships with bigger phaser banks. It's a pretty nihilistic version of the Star Trek future on the scale of DS9 and the attempt to kill off all the Founders with a virus.
 

maharg

idspispopd
It's about a government conspiracy to start a war in order to jump start a war economy, turning Starfleet from an organization about peaceful space exploration to one focused entirely on making bigger starships with bigger phaser banks. It's a pretty nihilistic version of the Star Trek future on the scale of DS9 and the attempt to kill off all the Founders with a virus.

Again, things aren't grimdark because bad things happen. They're grimdark because those things are celebrated (which includes "oh how I long for a better world, but this is the world I live in!"). Into Darkness ends with a rejection of all of that. DS9 has Sisko and various others participating in the machinations and then in the end Sisko becomes a god, basically.
 

Dishwalla

Banned
They can't make this a streaming exclusive, my dad is a huge Star Trek fan but there is no way he is going to watch this on a computer(and my parents don't own anything that can stream to a TV set), hell I'm not even sure he knows what the concept of streaming even is.

This isn't some small cult show like Orange is the New Black, this is a major media franchise. Making something like this streaming exclusive doesn't seem like a good idea.
 

maharg

idspispopd
They can't make this a streaming exclusive, my dad is a huge Star Trek fan but there is no way he is going to watch this on a computer(and my parents don't own anything that can stream to a TV set), hell I'm not even sure he knows what the concept of streaming even is.

This isn't some small cult show like Orange is the New Black, this is a major media franchise. Making something like this streaming exclusive doesn't seem like a good idea.

They aren't? They say they'll have it on cable or network tv.
 

Mengy

wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
WELL, I sure have mixed feelings about this news. On one hand, I'm a huge Star Trek fan, but series like Voyager and Enterprise left me wanting and disappointed, and the JJ movies while entertaining were more Star Wars than Star Trek, so disappointed again. I am absolutely thrilled that we are getting a new series, 10000% hopeful for it, but some of these tidbits of info do not bode well at all:

- Kurtzmann is involved, thats scary
- exclusive to CBS All Access, what a stupid decision. At $6/mo this will get horrible exposure and almost guarantees it will fail. At least put it up on Netflix!!!

Yet I remain hopeful that we will get something worthwhile. At least now we have a chance.



What I would love to see from this new series is a show set 100+ years after Voyager. Make it so removed from the old movies and series that there would be no cameos of familiar people, and so far into the future that they could essentially "reset" things from elapsed time alone. That way you really don't have to decide if it's in a prime universe / Abrams universe / alternate universe, just make it it's OWN universe. The style of the show would be more grounded than previous Star Trek's, think DS9 crossed with BSG sort of. No techno babble instant solutions, etc. Have the series take place on an average sized starship, not the flagship of the Federation but just a typical ship on a mission of exploration at the bubble's edge. Make it a serialized space drama set that is character driven with continuing story arcs and repercussions. Be okay with entire episodes devoted just to exploring things and characters dealing with each other.

There is much potential here for a good show, sadly I'm not optimistic of their chances to actually make one.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Again, things aren't grimdark because bad things happen. They're grimdark because those things are celebrated (which includes "oh how I long for a better world, but this is the world I live in!"). Into Darkness ends with a rejection of all of that. DS9 has Sisko and various others participating in the machinations and then in the end Sisko becomes a god, basically.
As RLM likes to point out, Into Darkness ends with the emotionless Vulcan getting angry and punching Khan in the face over and over again. The quick coda about not seeking revenge is funny considering we have no idea what happens to Khan or his people for that matter.
 

Divvy

Canadians burned my passport
As RLM likes to point out, Into Darkness ends with the emotionless Vulcan getting angry and punching Khan in the face over and over again. The quick coda about not seeking revenge is funny considering we have no idea what happens to Khan or his people for that matter.

I'm pretty sure they're frozen and in storage somewhere
 

ivysaur12

Banned
Based on nothing, I'd say this will probably take place in the JJ Verse, given Kurtzman's involvement with the franchise.
 

Liberty4all

Banned
I'd like to see a series focusing on the Federation Department of Temporal Investigations. So much material and could travel all over the timeline chronicling the temporal cold war that Enterprise touched on.
 

wetflame

Pizza Dog
I rewatched the first season of DS9 a few weeks ago and it wasnt terrible.

It was a bit slow but it wasnt terrible like S1 of TNG.


It was just really slow and a bit uneventful. The big season final conflict is Kaco Obrien being a asshole atheist to some priest who then started a small protest.
Which season has the episode where O'Brien has to deal with a leprechaun?
 

foxtrot3d

Banned
It's about a government conspiracy to start a war in order to jump start a war economy, turning Starfleet from an organization about peaceful space exploration to one focused entirely on making bigger starships with bigger phaser banks. It's a pretty nihilistic version of the Star Trek future on the scale of DS9 and the attempt to kill off all the Founders with a virus.

What I love about "Into Darkness" is that Scotty complains to Kirk that Starfleet is being turned into a military and I'm sitting there like "Huh? Look around dude ya'll look exactly like a military and not explorers complete with dudes carrying around phaser rifles on Earth, a planet with zero crime." The writers of that movie were so tone deaf it was unbelievable.
 

darkinstinct

...lacks reading comprehension.
Get JMS as lead writer and Nthon Fillion as lead character and make it like DS9 with bits of TNG exploration. Make it so!
 

liquidtmd

Banned
What I love about "Into Darkness" is that Scotty complains to Kirk that Starfleet is being turned into a military and I'm sitting there like "Huh? Look around dude ya'll look exactly like a military and not explorers complete with dudes carrying around phaser rifles on Earth, a planet with zero crime." The writers of that movie were so tone deaf it was unbelievable.

Indeed. I'm intrigued to see what Jung and Pegg can bring to the writing table this time around for Star Trek Beyond.
 

maharg

idspispopd
What I love about "Into Darkness" is that Scotty complains to Kirk that Starfleet is being turned into a military and I'm sitting there like "Huh? Look around dude ya'll look exactly like a military and not explorers complete with dudes carrying around phaser rifles on Earth, a planet with zero crime." The writers of that movie were so tone deaf it was unbelievable.

To be clear, I think it's an *accident* that ID is not grimdark, because much of that film is contradictory (as you're pointing out here). But even accidental not-grimdark that's fun enough to watch is something Trek hadn't had in a really fucking long time.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
I'm pretty sure they're frozen and in storage somewhere
If that's true, how is that any kind of happy ending? lol
At least Moriarty got to think he was traveling the universe, even if he was stuck in a holocube and presumably killed when Enterprise-D was destroyed.

Based on nothing, I'd say this will probably take place in the JJ Verse, given Kurtzman's involvement with the franchise.
I think it will take place in the Hawaii 5-0-verse.

What I love about "Into Darkness" is that Scotty complains to Kirk that Starfleet is being turned into a military and I'm sitting there like "Huh? Look around dude ya'll look exactly like a military and not explorers complete with dudes carrying around phaser rifles on Earth, a planet with zero crime." The writers of that movie were so tone deaf it was unbelievable.
Starfleet is this nebulous organization that shifts between military and civilian/merchant marine type organization depending on the story, so yeah, it becomes weird when you're trying to do a story about the rise of a potentially facist war-like regime. lol
 

Jarmel

Banned
As RLM likes to point out, Into Darkness ends with the emotionless Vulcan getting angry and punching Khan in the face over and over again. The quick coda about not seeking revenge is funny considering we have no idea what happens to Khan or his people for that matter.

I did enjoy Spock beating the shit out of Khan.
 

Divvy

Canadians burned my passport
If that's true, how is that any kind of happy ending? lol
At least Moriarty got to think he was traveling the universe, even if he was stuck in a holocube and presumably killed when Enterprise-D was destroyed.

Well, they were violent conquering despots from the 1990s lol
 
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