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Reddit CEO Pao steps down

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Zornack

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dLMN8R said:
Maybe I'm missing something, but from the articles I've read about this whole debacle it seems like Ellen Pao getting blamed for this mess and then her resignation seem like a perfect epitome of misogynistic sexism that Reddit is stereotyped for?

  • It doesn't seem like it was her decision to fire Victoria in the first place
  • Despite Alexis Ohanian actually being the one to fire Victoria, Pao got the blame
  • Also, who got the misogynistic insults against her? Pao. Alexis? I haven't seen much hate for him at all


Why are people so happy to see her gone?

Why are people so happy that Alexis Ohanian is still there despite this all ultimately starting with him?


If I have some facts wrong here, I'd be happy to hear it.
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Source on Alexis being responsible for the mishandling of Victoria's termination?
 
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Zuhzuhzombie!!

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dLMN8R said:
[*]It doesn't seem like it was her decision to
Why are people so happy to see her gone?

Why are people so happy that Alexis Ohanian is still there despite this all ultimately starting with him?


If I have some facts wrong here, I'd be happy to hear it.
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She was a woman of color in a position of power and attempted to clamp down on the good ole boys club that spent their time organizing real life assaults on people.

She had to go, you see.
 
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dLMN8R

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Zornack said:
Source on Alexis being responsible for the mishandling of Victoria's termination?
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https://twitter.com/mikeisaac/status/619630581031260160

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"It was my decision to change how we work with AMAs"
 
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RockTurtle

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Zuhzuhzombie!! said:
She was a woman of color in a position of power and attempted to clamp down on the good ole boys club that spent their time organizing real life assaults on people.

She had to go, you see.
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keep pushing that narrative.

maybe when enough do it, she's have a case and sue reddit for it.
 
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Cybit

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dLMN8R said:
Is there actually strong conclusive evidence to support these allegations?

In a thread full of hatred over this women because some other man fired someone, I find it a little hard to just automatically accept un-sourced statements like this.

I have to believe there's a little (or a lot of) nuance between reality and this portrayal which could be easily confused with an unimaginative caricature of a one-sided evil mastermind.
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All of the things listed above were from first hand information; unfortunately. :-(
 
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Riposte

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Zuhzuhzombie!! said:
She was a woman of color in a position of power and attempted to clamp down on the good ole boys club that spent their time organizing real life assaults on people.

She had to go, you see.
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A subreddit was getting together to beat people up? This would have been news, I figure.
 
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Black-Box

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HoodWinked said:
you know its funny cause lets say for example her lawsuit against that firm went in her favor. she would be labeled as a civil rights hero and beacon for females in the workplace and whatever she did or does for reddit probably wouldnt even mattered because people would be either indifferent or positive towards her. but because she lost shes is sort of labeled as a loser.

its sort of hilarious how people dont want to be associated with a 'loser' even if its a ceo of a site that they frequent and really does sort of perfectly represented in their site the whole upvote system is a numerical representation of user's validation.
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Isn't the hate mostly because the amount of money she asked for is around the amount her husband needs which makes it sound like she is lying to get money?
 
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OpinionatedCyborg

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dLMN8R said:
Maybe I'm missing something, but from the articles I've read about this whole debacle it seems like Ellen Pao getting blamed for this mess and then her resignation seem like a perfect epitome of misogynistic sexism that Reddit is stereotyped for?

  • It doesn't seem like it was her decision to fire Victoria in the first place
  • Despite Alexis Ohanian actually being the one to fire Victoria, Pao got the blame
  • Also, who got the misogynistic insults against her? Pao. Alexis? I haven't seen much hate for him at all


Why are people so happy to see her gone?

Why are people so happy that Alexis Ohanian is still there despite this all ultimately starting with him?


If I have some facts wrong here, I'd be happy to hear it.
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He is hated, but she is the CEO, so she takes the brunt of the hate and responsibility for the organization's decisions.\
kirblar said:
Is that the *Popcorn* guy?
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yes
 
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Tacitus_

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dLMN8R said:
Is there actually strong conclusive evidence to support these allegations?

In a thread full of hatred over this women because some other man fired someone, I find it a little hard to just automatically accept un-sourced statements like this.

I have to believe there's a little (or a lot of) nuance between reality and this portrayal which could be easily confused with an unimaginative caricature of a one-sided evil mastermind.
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Pao described run-ins ranging from reprimanding a secretary who was late for work to leaving a fellow female junior partner in tears after a shouting match. The testimony Wednesday came on Pao’s third day on the witness stand in a San Francisco trial that has put Silicon Valley under scrutiny for its treatment of women.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...estifies-of-conflicts-with-several-co-workers

The woman behind a high-profile gender discrimination lawsuit against a Silicon Valley venture capital firm demanded $2.7 million not to appeal the jury verdict against her, the firm said Friday.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...2-7-million-not-appeal-discrimination-n370811

"...in early 2012, a week before I was supposed to move to SF, I was unexpectedly diagnosed with leukemia. I spent the next six of seven months in the hospital and received four enormous rounds of chemo as well as a bone marrow transplant."

"Eventually I was cured of leukemia (or so I thought) and was finally able to begin working at reddit. About a year went by while I worked for reddit, until I was once again ready to move to their headquarters. Unfortunately, weeks before moving, I had relapsed and my leukemia came back, this time harder than ever."

"...in February of 2015, I received a call from Ellen stating that I was to be terminated in less than a week. When I asked what the specific reason was, she had roughly stated that 'because of our discussion, you are too sick to properly fulfill your duties as Community Manager.' "
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https://np.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3c0idl/i_am_dacvak_former_reddit_employee_and_leukemia/ (now deleted)

Ellen Pao: Reddit doesn't negotiate salaries because that helps keep the playing field even for women
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http://www.businessinsider.com/reddit-doesnt-negotiate-salaries-ellen-pao-2015-6
 
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Black-Box

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dLMN8R said:
Maybe I'm missing something, but from the articles I've read about this whole debacle it seems like Ellen Pao getting blamed for this mess and then her resignation seem like a perfect epitome of misogynistic sexism that Reddit is stereotyped for?

  • It doesn't seem like it was her decision to fire Victoria in the first place
  • Despite Alexis Ohanian actually being the one to fire Victoria, Pao got the blame
  • Also, who got the misogynistic insults against her? Pao. Alexis? I haven't seen much hate for him at all


Why are people so happy to see her gone?

Why are people so happy that Alexis Ohanian is still there despite this all ultimately starting with him?


If I have some facts wrong here, I'd be happy to hear it.
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I don't think people got mad at her because she was a woman but because she was the CEO.
 
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Jenenser

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lets see how this story will go on.

Fox318 said:
When deciding on how to moderate a community it's like sticking your dick in a dick in a gloryhole. You might as well go all the way because it could either pay off or you are gonna have some nut try and cut you up. No middle ground.
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chances are pretty high that mostly everyone would cut you up if you'd try that.
 
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Soyongdori

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Riposte

Riposte

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The guy who triggered this whole thing that got his boss fired still works there and is excited to work with his new boss? That's pretty amazing.

Zuhzuhzombie!! said:
FPH was closed specifically for doxxing the heads of imgur and goading people to fuck with them.
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Oh, that has been mentioned in previous threads. You made it sound like there was a group that was physically attacking people.
 
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Ayt

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Reddit is a repository for human scum so it is probably best she find something better to do with her time.
 
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excelsiorlef

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Tacitus_ said:
The CEO she replaced was also asian and he got way less shit... well maybe not less shit, but for not racist reasons. Mostly because he posted stuff like "Every Man Is Responsible For His Own Soul" after the fappening


The reason is because we consider ourselves not just a company running a website where one can post links and discuss them, but the government of a new type of community. The role and responsibility of a government differs from that of a private corporation, in that it exercises restraint in the usage of its powers.
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and hired a man to rework bitcoin in javascript for reddit for... reasons.
Though her being a woman will have enraged the lower dregs of users.
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Did anyone point out that stealing and possession of stolen goods is criminal? What an awful response to a clear cut wrong.
 
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pgtl_10

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kirblar said:
The FPH and assorted bans were done because the forums were actively supporting harassment of individuals - those had to be done, and any crap she or Reddit got for that was completely undeserved. That part of this whole mess was 100% a-hole trolls.

On the first part- she recently fired the person who was basically handling EVERYTHING regarding Reddit's AMA organization with no transition plan in place. It ended up causing a near-sitewide shutdown in protest for a day, as a lot of people had relied on that person for an enormous amount of back-end support.

On the latter part- she came out looking terrible in her sex discrimination case and the resulting appeals process. That case and her rationale behind banning salary negotiations appeared to create a pattern of invoking/leveraging identity politics for personal gain. She's also married to this guy.

Don't know on why he left- but he's almost certainly coming back because of the community issues. They did the exact same thing at HD when Nardellli left- brought on a founder at HD until they thought they were in a good place going forward.
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Didn't the Verge and Vox defend her every step of the way?
 
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Aquavelvaman

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When you find yourself celebrating the same event that Stormfront/Coontown/etc are celebrating, maybe it's time for you to reevaluate your views.

If you stack up all of Poa's supposed wrongdoings, it's really not that much. She was involved in some legal trouble, she made some unpopular decisions, she married someone you don't like, she fired someone you did like. Maybe you disagree with every single thing that she's done but it still doesn't justify the wave of absolute hatred toward her that has been all over reddit for the past month. Most of the memes and attacks against her have been related to her race and gender, it's clear that the backlash against her is at least partially fueled by those things.
 
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kirblar

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Aquavelvaman said:
When you find yourself celebrating the same event that Stormfront/Coontown/etc are celebrating, maybe it's time for you to reevaluate your views.

If you stack up all of Poa's supposed wrongdoings, it's really not that much. She was involved in some legal trouble, she made some unpopular decisions, she married someone you don't like, she fired someone you did like. The reaction to her is way out of proportion to what she actually did. It's clear that there are other reasons that people dislike her.
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The world is not black and white.
 
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EatinOlives

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gamechanger87 said:
You should clarify. Her completely unfounded discrimination case requested almost exactly the amount that her husband was being sued for fraud. She brought that case up to demand money to pay for her husbands pending fraud litigation. They started planning for it awhile ago.

She's just not a good person.
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That's extremely spurious "evidence". You make it sound like her lawyer sat her down and asked "Soooo, how much do you wanna ask for?" That's not how those figures are calculated. And a giant chunk of that money was gonna go to legal expenses, it's not like she was gonna tell the court "yeah, make that check out to my hubby pls".
 
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MHWilliams

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Phat Michael said:
Rules she put in place and enforced right?
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Huffman (co-founder and returning CEO) and Altman (board member) have acknowledged that Reddit has a problem that they need to tackle to grow.. Those boards aren't coming back.

This is symbolic cut, especially with Pao resigning and Altman indicating that the board have no issues with her. Reddit loses some of the heat and they can continue other methods of growth.
 
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Delta Assault

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Aquavelvaman said:
When you find yourself celebrating the same event that Stormfront/Coontown/etc are celebrating, maybe it's time for you to reevaluate your views.

If you stack up all of Poa's supposed wrongdoings, it's really not that much. She was involved in some legal trouble, she made some unpopular decisions, she married someone you don't like, she fired someone you did like. Maybe you disagree with every single thing that she's done but it still doesn't justify the wave of absolute hatred toward her that has been all over reddit for the past month. Most of the memes and attacks against her have been related to her race and gender, it's clear that the backlash against her is at least partially fueled by those things.
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Hitler was a vegetarian.

Time to stop being vegetarian, guys.
 
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Aquavelvaman

Banned
kirblar said:
The world is not black and white.
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elrechazado said:
I'd call this terrible logic. If it was actual logic.
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I'm not saying you have to disagree with coontown 100% of the time. It's just that reddit has obviously been manipulated by certain groups for a while, and a great deal of Poa's negative image has been fueled by those groups. Make sure you understand why you dislike her.

Delta Assault said:
Hitler was a vegetarian.

Time to stop being vegetarian, guys.
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Great strawman.
 
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elrechazado

Banned
Aquavelvaman said:
I'm not saying you have to disagree with coontown 100% of the time. It's just that reddit has obviously been manipulated by certain groups for a while, and a great deal of Poa's negative image has been fueled by those groups. Make sure you understand why you dislike her.



Great strawman.
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No, it's been fueled by her actions.
Don't use crap logic then complain when it is pointed out.
 
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Jenenser

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Aquavelvaman said:
When you find yourself celebrating the same event that Stormfront/Coontown/etc are celebrating, maybe it's time for you to reevaluate your views.
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i am pretty sure that a racist and a black man would both love a taxcut. now one party should be against it just because the other one is glad it would happen?
 
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Phat Michael

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I wonder how employable she will be in her next role. Between reddit and the failed law suit she is going to be sending off warning signs for her future employers.
 
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Mooreberg

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The Altman letter is hysterical when you consider the fact that he profits from a site that routinely spreads images of mangled fetuses and battered corpses. I would go for nihilistic indifference over whatever manner of "compassion" that is supposed to be.
 
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Zuhzuhzombie!!

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EatinOlives said:
That's extremely spurious "evidence". You make it sound like her lawyer sat her down and asked "Soooo, how much do you wanna ask for?" That's not how those figures are calculated. And a giant chunk of that money was gonna go to legal expenses, it's not like she was gonna tell the court "yeah, make that check out to my hubby pls".
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No no no no.


She's a scheming liar and her and World Jewry SJWs are out to get you.


Phat Michael said:
I wonder how employable she will be in her next role. Between reddit and the failed law suit she is going to be sending off warning signs for her future employers.
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No she isn't.

No one in business cares about this at all.
 
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Aquavelvaman

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Jenenser said:
i am pretty sure that a racist and a black man would both love a taxcut. now one party should be against it just because the other one is glad it would happen?
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That's not at all what I was saying. You don't have to disagree with someone just because they're a bad person. But when bad people are constantly flooding a news site with negative information about a person, maybe you should think about why they're doing that before you make your mind up about that person.
 
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Aquavelvaman

Banned
elrechazado said:
No, it's been fueled by her actions.
Don't use crap logic then complain when it is pointed out.
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The reaction has been way out of proportion for her actions. She barely did anything of note, and people have been calling for her blood since before most of it even happened.

There was a notable effort on KIA/conspiracy/etc to smear her well before the fatpeoplehate ban, the Victoria firing, or any of that. It was all based on her lawsuit and her husband.
 
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brianmcdoogle

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I never followed this stuff in detail, but did the site grow under her leadership? More or less views? More or less registered users? Did it make more or less money, or lose less money or make more money?
 
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