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[backflip10019]

Yes it's huge. Even 1% is huge on Metacritic and the consequences can be unexpected.

Well, it can be huge for developers who get bonuses based on scores. It's not huge for consumers, who don't generally care about that small of a difference.

 

[Bold One]

we put waaaaaaaay too much emotional investment into reviews, especially in an age when any joe-blogger can set up a website and wreck a Metacritic curve

I am buying this mutherfucking game bundled with a PS4 and not one of these "journalists" can convince me otherwise

 

[fuzzyreactor]

Yes it's huge. Even 1% is huge on Metacritic and the consequences can be unexpected.

I'm not talking about developer incentives. I'm talking about the average person. Whether a game got a 81% or 85% isn't going to stop someone from buying a game.

 

[dollartaco]

What's the fuss? Game's getting great reviews.

 

[Dragonborn]

If you don't think Titanfall has, it's certainly come the closest to.

Titanfall's gunplay is copy/pasted from CoD. Like, it literally feels the same. They added parkour and Titans. I'd hardly call that revolutionary

 

[nickthebiggeek]

I agree. That's why I don't need to outlay £350 now. I can wait until a system seller is released.

It's not the 80 average reviews that have stopped me, it's the content of the reviews. I have read them and they all tell me it's not the game I hoped for.

Graphics are not everything, and certainly not what I would buy a PS4 for.

Is this the new mantra of the xbox faithful?

 

[Mrbob]

If you don't think Titanfall has, it's certainly come the closest to.

Uh, not even close. You should check out Natural Selection 2. TitanFall is the closest thing that reinvented the CoD formula.

 

[Loudninja]

What's the fuss? Game's getting great reviews.

No real fuss surprisingly.

 

[vxXJordanXxv]

we put waaaaaaaay too much emoptional investment into reviews, especially in an age when any joe-blogger can set up a website and wreck a Metacritic curve

I am buying this mutherfucking game bundled with a PS4 and not one of these "journalists" can convince me otherwise

This guy.

 

[BigSpleenAttack]

I agree. That's why I don't need to outlay £350 now. I can wait until a system seller is released.

It's not the 80 average reviews that have stopped me, it's the content of the reviews. I have read them and they all tell me it's not the game I hoped for.

Graphics are not everything, and certainly not what I would buy a PS4 for.

LOL at system sellers, they do not exist it's a BS term. You buy games for library and what the system offers, no one game is ever enough for a system.

 

[Acquiescence]

Whoa, the Metacritic score just took a tectonic shift...

to 1 point higher.

 

[TomShoe]

I'm expecting reviewers to update their scores after the day one patch.

 

[Gestault]

As much flack as I see the Sessler review getting (which is a totally odd reaction), his issues are exactly the sorts of things that bother me in open-world games. Indistinct environments, filler content for the sake of filler, "difficulty" progression in the form of just raising the health of enemies, so-so story and formulaic solutions to the game's challenges.

I'm still interested, but I'd rather hear about these shortcomings now and adjust expectations than after I've started it fresh with higher hopes.

 

[Messofanego]

Because you just can't have new and innovate gameplay without difference peripherals.

Gen after gen, all you got was the very same gameplay you always got before. Games play exactly the same as they did. They just look prettier now. They just have a narrative now. They just have a different perspective now. But they play the same.

So, when someone says "same gameplay from old gen" that person is a goddamn clown. Seriously. You review a game and knock points off it because... it plays the same?
Well that is quite wierd (especially when earlier you had no problem ignoring it on another game for a different system).
It basically reeks of an arbitrary system where you can make stuff up to justify your agenda.

I know that not all reviewers are the same... but when someone reviews a game based on their subjective view and not their objective view, they're worthless.

Saying that a game with old gen gameplay (oops forgot, not important in this game), frame rate drops, old gen graphics, lack of gameplay modes, lack of single player campaign, weapons that aren't balanced is the height of it's genre (5/5) just because you had more "fun" with it is ludicrous. Fun should count. After all what's the point of playing games if they're not fun? But it should never be enough to justify giving a game with glaring problems, a perfect score. At most, you give it a score based on what the game actually does and offers (7/10 or 8/10) and then end the review saying how fun you actually though it was and tell people if you think it's worth their time.

I see you're bringing up Titanfall in the last paragraph, which is completely unrelated unless if you're trying to make this a console war thing. Ironically, similar stuff is being levelled at Second Son for its rote open world game design, weak side-quests, etc despite the still fun gameplay. There's no code to reviews, man. It's all subjective, so you're going to have to deal with that.

 

[farisr]

If you don't think Titanfall has, it's certainly come the closest to.

I don't see it doing something that's not possible on the 360.

 

[Loudninja]

I'm expecting reviewers to update their scores after the day one patch.

Nah they have the patch!

 

[LilWayneSuckz]

81 on Metacritic now. Come on 3 more points and my prediction is accurate. I don't see how anyone can say Cole was a better main character than Delsin (even just judging from a couple of gameplay segments), Cole was pretty bland all around.

 

[Hanmik]

I am really disappointed after reading the reviews.

This was going to be the game I bought the PS4 for. The one I had waited until now for to make my purchase. I bought an XONE at launch because the games were there for me. PS4 had nothing I wanted until Infamous 2.

I don't think that's going to happen now. I'll just play it at a friends and, for me, the wait continues.

I´m sorry.. but what specific reviews are you refering to..?

 

[Bundy]

Wow, the amount of trolling and senseless talk in this thread is unbelievable. Some people are going out of their way to spoil a good thread. 80ish metacritic and people are complaining? Infamous devs are releasing a patch with 5 hours of gameplay, tuned boss fights, graphical improvements and people are complaining? Seriously, Wow.

Great post

 

[fluffydelusions]

If you don't think Titanfall has, it's certainly come the closest to.

I'm not hating on Titanfall, I picked it up on PC and yeah it does some things differently but to me it still feels like COD in the end. But people enjoy so that is all that really matters I suppose.

 

[Hyunickel]

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[ElTorro]

As much flack as I see the Sessler review getting (which is a totally odd reaction), his issues are exactly the sorts of things that bother me in open-world games. Indistinct environments, filler content for the sake of filler, "difficulty" progression in the form of just raising the health of enemies, so-so story and formulaic solutions to the game's challenges.

Yes, I haven't played the game yet, but so far his review sounds reasonable.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Man. Now I'm wondering if I should get this game now or not, too. I was never really a fan of the other infamous games and really wanted this one to do something else, I guess. Bummer because I really wanted to want this game because the graphics look so damn great and I would actually like to use my ps4.

Hell. I'll probably wind up picking this up to play over the weekend still and regret it next week. I'm weak willed.

Is it the positive reviews that make you not want it anymore? Or the fact that an inFAMOUS game plays like an inFAMOUS game? Im just curious what you were expecting?

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

they always say that

You should have read the thief thread pre release.

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

I guess these new different powers don't change anything significantly. However, 40 additional players on larger maps do. That's a huge change if you've only played 24 player matches before.

Like how? Let me say, I love having more people on the map... But Battlefield didn't change from what we know. We still shoot with R2/RB. There barely were new weapons or vehicles. Game modes were more of the same with more people. Even something more comparable like AC4. Lot of filler stuff, but the gameplay remained exactly the same. After 7 in the whole series, why is the parkour in the game the exact same model as Ezio and Altar. Different people don't have different styles of body language? Even though those specific things aren't of that much important to me, it shows that still some games are still more of the same.

 

[DidntKnowJack]

I guess it's kind of lame to complain about the relevancy of reviews in a review thread, but the Infamous games have never reviewed spectacularly well, though they've always been generally favorable.

At any rate, they're always fun. So if SS gets an 80 metacritic I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

 

[Mahonay]

When will everyone realize reviews are irrelevant?

They are an excellent reference point.

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

Why do people keep mentioning TitianFall?

Anyway, good reviews. Could be better, could be worse. I'll most likely pick it up in a few months when there is a good sale.

 

[codhand]

even the Metro 6/10 says the game is gorgeous and fun.

 

[Takamura-San]

81 on Metacritic now. Come on 3 more points and my prediction is accurate. I don't see how anyone can say Cole was a better main character than Delsin (even just judging from a couple of gameplay segments), Cole was pretty bland all around.

Cannot wait to get home and burn my PS4.

Worthless piece of shit.

 

[Boudica]

I would agree completely if the reviews were done by the same person. But I just can't sign off on screaming bias when we're dealing with the opinions of two different people. They could value different things, or be more or less in tune with technical details.

But there clearly is a bias at play, and I'm talking about both ends of the spectrum. Skyrim on PS3 not being shat on from high heaven is a clear indication for me that the bias is real. Obsidian being given grief over similar if not less severe issues that plagues Bethesda, is again a bias. A developer with a lower pedigree could make DA2 and ME3 exactly the same as Bioware, and the reviews wouldn't be anywhere near as good. Things are sometimes overly scrutinized on one end, or overlooked on the other.

 

[prwxv3]

Can't wait for people that did not like infamous in the first place to reveal their disappointment. Good scores though.

 

[kaching]

GTAV is a last gen game, that FEELS next gen in terms of gameplay because of the wealth of things you can do, the attention to detail, and the just the overall amount of content there is in the game.

Ultima IV was next gen before next gen was next gen.

 

[Sean*O]

Come on, man. This is a very myopic way to view review scores and sales.

Is it? What was the top selling game last month? COD. How did it review? Shitty.

Reviews don't determine a game's success.

 

[Putty]

Great post

+1

 

[tfur]

I can do this too:

thankfully you're here to set us straight about ps4 with sarcastic posts because for some ridiculous reason, you're somehow insecure about it.
.

Heh .

 

[SystemBug]

I just wish the base of infamous wasn't based in third-person shooting. It would have been cooler if it was more inline with something like DMC

 

[mocoworm]

Is this the new mantra of the xbox faithful?

Do you think otherwise? That graphics are everything.

I have been gaming since my Spectrum48k days in 1984 and owned almost every console and computer since.

It has nothing to do with xbox, it has to do with me being not hung up on buying games for graphics.

Let's not derail this thread yeah?

I´m sorry.. but what specific reviews are you refering to..?

Eurogamer, EDGE

 

[T.O.P]

I am really disappointed after reading the reviews.

This was going to be the game I bought the PS4 for. The one I had waited until now for to make my purchase. I bought an XONE at launch because the games were there for me. PS4 had nothing I wanted until Infamous 2.

I don't think that's going to happen now. I'll just play it at a friends and, for me, the wait continues.

I'm pretty much on the same boat

I already got the game from Amazon because i needed that Beanie edition

But i'm still not sure if i'll get a PS4 right now or wait for Driveclub/Order to drop, Infamous looks great as i've said countless times but i'm not feeling the OMFG I MUST PLAY THIS NOW that would trigger a 399€ console purchase

Decisions, decisions

 

[xkramz]

When will everyone realize reviews are irrelevant?

If its irrelevant. We wouldn't have review threads for every AAA title

 

[Data West]

Yes it's huge. Even 1% is huge on Metacritic and the consequences can be unexpected.

Which makes me wonder when publishers will realize that holding off so you can get it out early and patch it later will only hurt their sales

 

[MThanded]

LOL at system sellers, they do not exist it's a BS term. You buy games for library and what the system offers, no one game is ever enough for a system.

You have been doing a lot of damage control in this thread.

System seller is not a bs term.

 

[josecitoxnyo]

That's my point if they say the game needs evolution i have no problem with that .
But saying it does not have next gen game play tell us nothing IMO.
I just really dislike how it's been use as a way not explain anything just because it on a new system .

The Order: 1886 is the next stop of this train, i think we can agree on that too.

 

[Trey]

Because you just can't have new and innovate gameplay without difference peripherals.

Gen after gen, all you got was the very same gameplay you always got before. Games play exactly the same as they did. They just look prettier now. They just have a narrative now. They just have a different perspective now. But they play the same.

So, when someone says "same gameplay from old gen" that person is a goddamn clown. Seriously. You review a game and knock points off it because... it plays the same?
Well that is quite wierd (especially when earlier you had no problem ignoring it on another game for a different system).
It basically reeks of an arbitrary system where you can make stuff up to justify your agenda.

I know that not all reviewers are the same... but when someone reviews a game based on their subjective view and not their objective view, they're worthless.

Saying that a game with old gen gameplay (oops forgot, not important in this game), frame rate drops, old gen graphics, lack of gameplay modes, lack of single player campaign, weapons that aren't balanced is the height of it's genre (5/5) just because you had more "fun" with it is ludicrous. Fun should count. After all what's the point of playing games if they're not fun? But it should never be enough to justify giving a game with glaring problems, a perfect score. At most, you give it a score based on what the game actually does and offers (7/10 or 8/10) and then end the review saying how fun you actually though it was and tell people if you think it's worth their time.

Nope. Halo was a revolutionary game. Call of Duty 4 was a revolutionary game. They brought a new feel to their respective young generations, with various gameplay innovations that have defined the genre on their platforms for the entire generation.

 

[Teletraan1]

80 is not middling reviews....jesus not every game needs to be a GOTG masterpiece.

It is when a lot of outlets seem to use a 7-10 scale for anything remotely worth your money.

 

[RedAssedApe]

Bf4 still sitting pretty if you just go by metacritic. I think that should tell you enough.

 

[Tom Penny]

Exclusive = overreact
Multi platform = Nobody cares

 

[fluffydelusions]

When will everyone realize reviews are irrelevant?

I don't think they are. I never expected infamous SS to get Uncharted 2/TLoU type reviews. This is about what I expected and I'm fine with that. I enjoyed the first 2 a lot so I expect the same here. Also, everyone in the OT thread who already has it is loving it too so there is that.

 

[serenewarfare]

I agree. That's why I don't need to outlay £350 now. I can wait until a system seller is released.

It's not the 80 average reviews that have stopped me, it's the content of the reviews. I have read them and they all tell me it's not the game I hoped for.

Graphics are not everything, and certainly not what I would buy a PS4 for.

The concept of a "system seller" is just stupid. You don't buy a console for one game, at least not unless you just have money to blow. You buy a console for catalog or anticipation of a catalog. Infamous isn't a system seller, but neither is Titanfall. And I absolutely love Titanfall.

 

[cdkee]

While I wouldn't give it a 3/5, some of Sesslers points are valid. The world doesn't have much to offer outside of the main story in terms of side missions or content (what there is isn't that fun).