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Black man handles bullying police like a boss, does NOT get shot. (youtube video)
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Angelus Errare
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He's lucky he didn't get shot.
Future PhaZe
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i'm loving this new trend of people turning their cameras on everytime they get approached by police--they deserve to be under heavy scrutiny at all times imo
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Think it's bullshit.
I think the only police who have to carry ID are police in plain clothes. Uniformed officers have no obligation.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Seriously..
Yaphett Kotto
Member
Badge, business card, and a photo ID consistent with the badge and card?
That is my guess.
I'm all for recording cops, but this guy seemed more interested in being confrontational on camera than to help. "I saw him walk off..." and then back to being confrontational. A woman got beat up, can't you give a detailed account of what happened or any kind of description?
Also, dude doesn't know how to record outside of portrait mode, so he has no credibility with me. /s
Also, dude doesn't know how to record outside of portrait mode, so he has no credibility with me. /s
pants
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I havent watched this movie in ages, dying @ forest whitaker and wesley snipes lol
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Poor Forest Whitaker..lol
Arkos
Nose how to spell and rede to
I HATE THE BACK OF FOREST WHITAKER'S NECK *AAHH*
Zen_Arcade
Banned
He was being confrontational because the way they were asking him to help was to let them into his home without a warrant and no reasonable reason. He answered everything he knew about the guy who hit the woman. He started being confrontational when the Cops kept trying to get into his home when they had no right to.
Yaphett Kotto
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He is under no legal or moral obligation to let them into his house.
No man they wanted to search his house, never let cops inside your house w/o a warrant.
I imagine a lot of it is sitting in the patrol cars.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Mattlikewhoa
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This right here!
Asshole or not. Opinions about him aside.
He was within his rights to act this way. This is surreal to watch as a black man though...
no one get any fucking ideas, this is like halleys comet.\
Neither side? No the only side whose job it is to deal with this jackass professionally, are the police. And they failed, miserably.
He was within his rights to act this way. This is surreal to watch as a black man though...
no one get any fucking ideas, this is like halleys comet.\
Neither side? No the only side whose job it is to deal with this jackass professionally, are the police. And they failed, miserably.
Nealand Liquor
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Disclaimer: I am Canadian and this kind of social racism is extremely uncommon (except towards our 1st nations populations in the prairies & further east, but not so much in my province/Island/city). I am completely ignorant.
One thing I never understand is when there is a black police officer present during a questioning of a black person, how is it still a race issue? Why would the black police officer play along if the person being questioned if unfairly targeted because he is black?
Is it racist to question a black person and ask for ID because the suspect the police are seaching for is black?
I can understand/see the racism when a police officer makes something up just to harass someone vased on race, but I don't understand how it is racist to question a black person when the police are actively looking for a black suspect in the area?
I don't feel my questions are offensive but just to make sure the intent of my questions are known I am not asking to be dismissive, but I'd simply like to understand.
One thing I never understand is when there is a black police officer present during a questioning of a black person, how is it still a race issue? Why would the black police officer play along if the person being questioned if unfairly targeted because he is black?
Is it racist to question a black person and ask for ID because the suspect the police are seaching for is black?
I can understand/see the racism when a police officer makes something up just to harass someone vased on race, but I don't understand how it is racist to question a black person when the police are actively looking for a black suspect in the area?
I don't feel my questions are offensive but just to make sure the intent of my questions are known I am not asking to be dismissive, but I'd simply like to understand.
Brian Griffin
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If a cop came to my door, started barking orders, and threatening to hurt me I would be very reluctant to be helpful too. If they had asked politely and treated the guy like a person he probably would have been much more helpful.
This doesnt count as harassment because the other cop was black, and they are probably related because of that.
Edit: Geez thanks Nealand Liquor, now people are gonna think my joke comment is serious because of you lol. Here is the thing: When people talk about the police being racist in one of those threads they dont talk about the cop in question, some of them are usually racist but they are talking about systemic abuse which is involves the institution and disguises these horrific practices under the guide of doing their work and obeying orders from superiors on the line of duty.
Edit: Geez thanks Nealand Liquor, now people are gonna think my joke comment is serious because of you lol. Here is the thing: When people talk about the police being racist in one of those threads they dont talk about the cop in question, some of them are usually racist but they are talking about systemic abuse which is involves the institution and disguises these horrific practices under the guide of doing their work and obeying orders from superiors on the line of duty.
Cops seemed to be trying to do their jobs to me. Someone got beat up, the guy witnessed it, they want help to bring him in and he's talking about ID and the supreme court. I'm not saying he doesnt have rights or he should just let them walk all over him but he could have given a description of his account or said simply I dont want to be involved. He's just being a martyr about it.
Jest Chillin
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He tried to help them by giving them an account of what he saw but they weren't interested in his account. They were only interested in searching his house, which he has a constitutional right to refuse unless they have a warrant or a credible suspicion that the suspect was actually there. Obviously they didn't.
As for "he was already going about making a Youtube crusade out of it," you have to understand that for some people in certain neighborhoods, having their rights infringed upon by Law Enforcement is a regular occurrence. His purpose in recording wasn't in search of a crusade but a way of protecting himself from officers who may choose to violate his rights and simply lie about it later. His choice in recording is justified in my opinion, the moment the first officer threatens to pull him out of his house simply because he chose to exercise his rights.
YUP
TheKaeptain
Banned
Camera saved him. You could hear the fear in the cops voice when the guy told him he was recording him.
Good point. And I'm all for recording cops, and he was definitely within his rights. I just think he could have said "I'm not letting you search my home without a warrant, but I'd be happy to provide a statement right here of what I saw." Or something to that effect.
I would rather not let the cops have free reign over my entire house to search for whatever they want. That is just me, though.
Nealand Liquor
Member
How's he being a martyr?
He could have done that, but he doesn't have to do that. He did exactly what he is allowed to do.
GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
That accountability sandwich don't taste so good.
Pretty much sums up his reaction. If you are dealing with a population that gets ultra defensive around police it is up to the police to soothe things over. The threat he made was the opposite of that.
Who is saying he had to do it? People keep saying he was within his rights as if people are disagreeing with that assertion. But what he could have done was be within his rights and not be an asshat at the same time. I'd be at least a little concerned about the woman that was assaulted.
But he doesn't have to be.
"...straight to youtube."
You could almost hear the officer gulp.
When he said it was going straight to YouTube their tone shifted I felt. The best was when the cop acted like he didn't know what was being pointed at him. I mean, he starts it off by saying turn it off - he knew exactly what it was
Nealand Liquor
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That's how I see it.
So many times I see these videos and wonder why everyone instantly begins acting all aggressive and confrontational?
Wouldn't it make sense to simply level with someone and ask or offer help instead of posturing & provoking a hostile environment?
Once the cop tried to grab his phone, threatened to drag him out of his house I believe it became more about self preservation than anything else. If the cop didn't immediately start off with threats and unwarranted acts of aggression the man in the video probably would've been more apt to offer help I'd imagine.
A much better tenor to set than treating everyone like a suspect.
Jest Chillin
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Listening to his tone of voice, my impression is that he was trying to be firm but was also quite nervous because even though he knows his rights and is recording, he's still at the mercy of the decision of the Law Enforcement Officers.
Yeah he was pretty scared at the beginning. Completely understandable.
Lets see... No, its not offensive. Racism definitely exists in america, and has spilled into police force made up of the same racist demographics. In general social terms -- the black officer there has to act accordingly. There is a fear that the black officer has, that other officers will think he is being weak with his own. Remember, in America police generally view it as an Us vs Them game. Since the black man happens to be an officer, he has to participate in that same division. Is it 100% racism, 100% of the time? Nope. But thats not to say that racism can't happen with black officers present.
Personal anecdotes: I'm black. But I don't look forward to a black police officer, unless he is alone. From experience, the black or minority officer seems to go above and beyond to show that they can mistreat you just as badly as the white officer can. Almost over doing it. Part of that can be the self-hating aspect as well. I know black people that hate "n*ggers." and I have to admit, that I myself once said the same thing. But thats when I was a republican with my head firmly up my ass. It is a thing to look down on certain social classes of ones own race. But It would be more that they were making me look bad, as a black man,, and that is where a lot of the irrational hate came from. They are just like me, but didn't get the luck of the opportunity draw, and other reasons.
This situation aside, im just explaining the general attitudes surrounding the issue. Ive never been to Canada, so I'm not familiar with the PD there. But here, Police are very much in an exclusive club that distances itself from the population. You saw recently how they deal with members of media in Ferguson. TearGas/Threats to be shot/Assault/Arrests. So you can only imagine how the PD treats minorities in general, in this country.
This is a scene from boyz in the hood, which was spoofed -- as was posted earlier:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WePfWC8hsZw
But, this is very much the experience of quite a lot of folks.
He was looking for a confrontation from the start. In his defense the one cop on his left was being a dick threatening to drag him out, but the other cop was very reasonable.
He may well have been afraid, but he was a dick about it. The cops were trying to find a guy that beat up his neighbor and he ends with "aint playin no fuckin games in this motherfucker" ... OK?
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