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Petition to change the way policing is done in the US
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Davey Cakes
Member
Anything to reduce unnecessary police brutality.
AbsolutBro
Member
Disagree with bullet 5. We already have mandatory minimum penalties for some crimes, and they're bad ideas there. No reason to repeat the mistake.
I suspect even with a good amount of signatures, however, this will get nowhere. The Federal government has 0 say in the running of State police forces, which are naturally State issues.
I suspect even with a good amount of signatures, however, this will get nowhere. The Federal government has 0 say in the running of State police forces, which are naturally State issues.
WTF do they carry tasers, pepper spray for if their first reaction is to go for their gun and shoot someone?
Not all officers carry tasers.
Then perhaps the cops should spend less on military hardware and more on non-lethal defenses.
LowlySmokeGuy
Banned
I think self-defense would be appropriate there. The first rule in this petition could get a little tricky, but then the camera would help for a lot of those situations.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
#3 is the no brainer
The front facing cameras would help clear that up, we need to stop relying on the word of cops, they lie entirely too much.
Yup. Don't agree with the other 4 to various degrees, but #3 needs to happen nationwide.
The only problem with number 1 is that criminals who are currently in the midst of committing a violent crime may not have a warrant out for their arrest.
The problem, of course, is that if you remove that aspect, then you reduce it once again to police judgement, which is what got us into this situation.
While I definitely agree that we need to crack down on the police use of firearms, I'm not sure this is 100 percent the answer.
The problem, of course, is that if you remove that aspect, then you reduce it once again to police judgement, which is what got us into this situation.
While I definitely agree that we need to crack down on the police use of firearms, I'm not sure this is 100 percent the answer.
Don't Laugh
Banned
less-than-lethal ,you mean
tasers and bean bag shotguns and rubber bullets kill many people
but yes police aren't military and don't need to be equipped with military assault rifles, flash bangs, and other tactical gear
Coriolanus
Banned
Taser.
Yes, less than lethal. I understand that. It's still better than emptying a Glock into someone.
backflip10019
Member
I cannot see the argument against implementing any of these. They make for a far better society in general.
The problem with 3 is that amount of money it would cost would make it impossible to make it happen.
kittenbreath
Member
These are fine suggestions, but police power generally falls outside the scope of federal authority. There is little, if anything, that could be done about this at the national level.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I don't like the mandatory minimum part, though. Those don't work out so well.
The marginal cost of implenting them is not high at all relative to the existing cost of outfitting an officer.
stufte
Member
When they spend their money on useless shit like high tech swat gear and 200k assault vehicles, I don't at all think that it's impossible to make that happen. Like... at all.
Marty Chinn
Member
What's the range of a taser and pepper spray compared to a gun?
Only swat and spec ops units use military grade gear.
Don't LA squad cars now come equipped with assault rifles after that one bank robbery?
EDIT: Yeah, according to Wikipedia, each squad car has an AR-15.
DurielBlack
Member
Yup.
The other ideas sound good, but couldn't possibly apply in every situation. The camera would deal with almost every situation quite nicely.
SteveWinwood
Member
Cameras are a great idea and I'd like it to happen but it won't happen outside of cities for a long while. They'll use the money excuse but they'll just not like it.
So, this already exists in NYC and probably other places. Draw from that your own ideas of such a board's efficacy.
mister popo
Neo Member
Those are inaccurate and only useful at close range, when the target is being a bit of a shit but not putting up an overly violent resistance. Also the mentioned points in the petition are pretty dumb.
1 already happens to a high degree, some offenders aren't punished but those are because of circumstances.
2 is stupid because both of those are perfectly fine when done correctly.
3 is expensive and would never fly, the cameras would need to be repaired/replaced often in the areas where they're most useful, which are also the poorest areas. In the areas where they're easily affordable, they wouldn't do much anyway.
4 is dumb because the paid leave is done so a proper investigation can be made. If they guy didn't do anything wrong, which is the case most of the time, it's not right to take his pay.
5 is okay I guess?
Given the hypothetical "cop being charged by a perp brandishing something that may or may not be a weapon" I'm going to go with: sufficient. Tasers have a longer range than pepper spray, I would think.
TheDrizzlerJ11
Member
I've seen a boat cop tase a drunk girl standing on the bow of her boat for her going nuts at the cops, verbally only, for arresting her boyfriend for something. She fell into the water and thank god her friend immediately jumped in for her. Currents and rip tides and infamous where I'm from.
Boat cops shouldn't have tasers. Who thinks using an electrical weapon like that is appropriate for police on water while on party boat duty. Shits beyond my comprehension.
Boat cops shouldn't have tasers. Who thinks using an electrical weapon like that is appropriate for police on water while on party boat duty. Shits beyond my comprehension.
mister popo
Neo Member
A taser isn't reliable against someone charging you, unless they're going in a perfectly straight line. Which is unlikely considering the circumstances that lead to someone charging an officer.
vas_a_morir
Banned
Number 5 is awful. Mandatory minimums have to go. That's part of the reason why non violent criminals crowd our prisons.
So they should be shot instead? This is your position? How do cops in other countries handle this situation? Do they open fire as well? Would be hard if they weren't carrying guns...
Wafflecakes
Member
#3 is the best idea.
Other 4 would probably be too tricky to implement.
Other 4 would probably be too tricky to implement.
Warm Machine
Member
UK style, unarm them.
mister popo
Neo Member
Nice loaded question. I'm saying there's a reason an actual gun would be preferable in that situation. A guy coming for you with a knife or some blunt/unidentified object could reasonably kill you.
Uh, nothing mister popo has posted suggests that is his position. He is merely stating his opinion that tazers may not be effective either in the given scenario.
Edit: ok, except for that --v
If they did have some object and were using it as a weapon against you, than they should not be considered "unarmed". Policy #1 would not apply to the situation anymore and Policy #3 would provide evidence should there be any doubt.
It was a question. What is your position?
mister popo
Neo Member
My position is that an officer should do what he thinks is necessary to not die. If other law enforcement personnel find what he "thinks is necessary" to be unreasonable, his future in the police force should be called into question.
The problem with that is that's exactly what they do now. Cops believe their actions are reasonable...a lot of us think otherwise as their body count increases.
NO! They are not the only ones that should be making that decision since they have a bias. That's one of the major problems now.
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