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Internment Camps: The biggest screw up of American "Justice ?"

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AngelSoldier

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To be clear I am Japanese, but my family was not affected. We moved to America in 2011.

Ok, so if every American Citizen is guaranteed the right to a fair trial and like have to be proven guilty to be locked up and all that, Why was America allowed to round up a whole race of people and throw them in a camp ?

Not to mention all the abuse that happened in these camps ... And yes, I am aware that Bill Clinton tried to throw money at the families effected.

So GAF, enlighten me, and discuss things about Internment camps. Do you think it could happen again ? Why were the Japanese denied trials ? Etc ...
 
Americans are quick to forget the whole rights thing once something bad happens and are even quicker to sign away rights.

We had a President who was in office for way too long who had already stacked the courts to do his bidding etc so there was no stopping it.
 
Internment camps were a horrible thing, but you'd have to limit yourself to post-19th century injustices for this question to have any merit.
 
It wouldn't surprise to know if there are a substantial amount of people who support a revisit to that idea
 
PhoenixDark said:
Or black people

not that I want to start Oppression Olympics, but yea
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ConfusingJazz said:
I would say the Japanese made off like bandits compared to the Native Americans.
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YoungHav said:
LOL @ that being the biggest screw up of American "justice". Natives and Blacks say hi!
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Suddenly it has turned into a "this race had it worse" topic.

Can some legal dude from GAF just answer my questions ? I know there are legal peoples on GAF so ...
 
If we want to get Technical, Native Americans and Blacks were not considered "citizens" when they were being treated poorly. Kinda touchy for Blacks I think because of the 60's/Segregation and all that. But the blacks were not the only race to be segregated ...

The Japanese were on the other hand mostly legal citizens denied their rights to trials and all that stuff.
 
I worked with someone 10 years ago who was a kid when him and his family were sent to a Canadian internment camp during WW2. His family lost all of their possessions and moved to Ontario from BC after they were released at the end of the war. It was disgusting what happened to all of them.
 
AngelSoldier said:
To be clear I am Japanese, but my family was not affected. We moved to America in 2011.

Ok, so if every American Citizen is guaranteed the right to a fair trial and like have to be proven guilty to be locked up and all that, Why was America allowed to round up a whole race of people and throw them in a camp ?

Not to mention all the abuse that happened in these camps ... And yes, I am aware that Bill Clinton tried to throw money at the families effected.

So GAF, enlighten me, and discuss things about Internment camps. Do you think it could happen again ? Why were the Japanese denied trials ? Etc ...
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From where?
 
Executive order from the current President of that time (I think FDR if I remember correctly). You don't screw with the executive order, especially in a time of war.
 
It was an ignorant time. also not saying it was right but they thought seeing as japanese immigrants were more traditional then others that they would side with japan and cause trouble.

Also would never happen again.
1. nobody would stand for it.
2. they have computers to track suspected spies,etc now.
 
Fuzzy said:
I worked with someone 10 years ago who was a kid when him and his family were sent to a Canadian internment camp during WW2. His family lost all of their possessions and moved to Ontario from BC after they were released at the end of the war. It was disgusting what happened to all of them.
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Yeah the policies put in place against the detained were pretty much on par with what the Nazis were doing of course minus the death camps.

Japanese Americans went sent off would lose everything. Their possessions,property etc was all pretty much siezed and never to be given back.
 
Wthermans said:
I believe it could easily happen again. Just look at the backlash we have had against Muslims since 9/11.
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if it didn't happen then, it probably won't happen again. If the U.S. did that on the mainland, the world would be pretty fucked right now...so we opened Gitmo to be more sly about it :(
 
I don't know how it was back in WWII, but now there are organizations for a lot of ethnic groups that deal with outreach and problems with the community that would just scream to high heaven if any kind of internment was tried again on american citizens. Not to mention the ACLU.

Also I think Americans have moved on in their views of the enemy since then. I actually think a huge huge majority of americans did not see 9-11 as an attack on america by muslims but by terrorists. There are some very very loud minorities, but in general I don't see it like that at all.
 
AngelSoldier said:
O_O Japan ... ? Where else ?
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Oh yeah? I didn't realize Gamefly was available in Japan!

AngelSoldier said:
Dunno what's up with all the Gamefly hate. Been a member for about 15 month's and never had a problem. Using the 2 game plan I almost always get a game in my top 5 and shipping takes about a day and a half. Since I've started I haven't felt disappointed once.

But to be honest, I don't really care. The less of you subscribed to GFly, the more games for me to purchase at those crazy low prices. :D
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AngelSoldier
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Creepy stalker stuff, maybe, but you seemed suspect to me.

So, why are you pretending to be Japanese?
 
Zefah said:
Oh yeah? I didn't realize Gamefly was available in Japan!



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AngelSoldier
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(07-13-2011, 11:54 AM)

Creepy stalker stuff, maybe, but you seemed suspect to me.

So, why are you pretending to be Japanese?
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Real.

Things just became real.
 
If you want to know how bad interment was, which I suppose isn't the point of this thread, read Snow Falling on the Cedars. Even though the Japanese internment isn't the central point of the story (though it does deal with anti-Japanese sentiment in the Pacific North West), it gives a pretty vivid description of what it was like.

It's always kind of creeped me out to know that the Puyallup Fair Grounds were an internment camp.

But yeah, it was definitely messed up. A lot more messed up than the things you see nowadays (barring isolated cases) but less messed up than Slavery and the Trail of Tears.
 
antonz said:
Yeah the policies put in place against the detained were pretty much on par with what the Nazis were doing of course minus the death camps.

Japanese Americans went sent off would lose everything. Their possessions,property etc was all pretty much siezed and never to be given back.
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The father of the guy I worked with had a shop and his mother was a school teacher. They lost the shop, their house and his mother wasn't allowed to teach when all was said and done. He said they really struggled when they got to Toronto because a lot of people hated them and it was difficult for his parents to get decent jobs.
 
I actually agree with this in the sense that Korematsu v US decided that the detention was legal. The Trail of Tears came in spite of the Cherokee winning their case. In terms of screw ups by government? You could add things like the Tuskegee syphilis experiments, the PATRIOT Act, the Alien and Sedition Act... and so on.

Also, of course, Plessy v Ferguson deserves mention in terms of American "Justice." Buck v. Bell was pretty fucking disgusting too.
 
Zefah said:
Oh yeah? I didn't realize Gamefly was available in Japan!



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AngelSoldier
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(07-13-2011, 11:54 AM)

Creepy stalker stuff, maybe, but you seemed suspect to me.

So, why are you pretending to be Japanese?
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*pulls up a chair*

Edit: It's possible he moved to America in early 2011, you know...
 
AngelSoldier said:
To be clear I am Japanese, but my family was not affected. We moved to America in 2011.

Ok, so if every American Citizen is guaranteed the right to a fair trial and like have to be proven guilty to be locked up and all that, Why was America allowed to round up a whole race of people and throw them in a camp ?

Not to mention all the abuse that happened in these camps ... And yes, I am aware that Bill Clinton tried to throw money at the families effected.

So GAF, enlighten me, and discuss things about Internment camps. Do you think it could happen again ? Why were the Japanese denied trials ? Etc ...
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Why were they allowed? Because there were a strong contingent of ignorant people in FDR's administration, even a little of FDR's built-in biases as well, that led them to feel a certain way about the Japanese people and there was also associated fear due to some documents known to the president of the nazi's committing sabotage missions in other countries and the thought was the Japanese intended to do the same.

They were "allowed" in the sense that FDR followed through and made a terrible decision, but it was an egregious violation of civil rights and it is one of the biggest blemishes on his record as president. So in some sense, it certainly wasn't allowed according to the rule of the law. They just twisted things.

As far as if it could happen again, in some part of the world sure. And of course Guantanamo Bay suggests that the country is still not out of the woods entirely on civil rights abuses. But I don't think we currently live in a country that'd dip itself far enough over the edge to be willing to have full blown internment camps that singled out one race out of fear. I think we are beyond that much at least.
 
Zefah said:
Oh yeah? I didn't realize Gamefly was available in Japan!



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AngelSoldier
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(07-13-2011, 11:54 AM)

Creepy stalker stuff, maybe, but you seemed suspect to me.

So, why are you pretending to be Japanese?
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Wthermans said:
I believe it could easily happen again. Just look at the backlash we have had against Muslims since 9/11.
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LOL, there's no chance. Every small instance of racism, both subtle and blatant, draws media attention. There are way too many people who would object to it today than there were back then for the japanese
 
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