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Gods of Egypt’ Director, Studio Apologize for Lack of Diverse Casting

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I didn't realise everything had to have X amount of White/Black/Asian/Muslim/Straight/Bi/Gay/Trans/Gender fluid etc ratio.

Of course not. If the film had been called "Gods of Minnesota", the casting would be perfect. But this is about Egypt, so the studio could at least get some actors that "look" like they would be/are from Egypt.

It seems to be hard for some of you posters to put yourselves in other people's shoes, so let me help you out a bit. Imagine if this studio did a film called "The Pizzerias of New York City" about the history of New York Pizzerias, but the entire cast was made up of South Korean actors and actresses playing New York Pizzeria owners. Now ignoring how "hilarious" this would be, would that be "ok" to you? Now think about how you would feel if this happened in 99.9% of the films about historic US locations produced in Hollywood.
 
I havnt been paying much attention to this movie and yes the casting for this movie is terrible and whitewashed but I just thought I'd check out a trailer to see what it looks like and just wanted to say, my god it looks terrible. Any self respecting actor should be distancing themself far away from this movie. What is Butler thinking?
 
I havnt been paying much attention to this movie and yes the casting for this movie is terrible and whitewashed but I just thought I'd check out a trailer to see what it looks like and just wanted to say, my god it looks terrible. Any self respecting actor should be distancing themself far away from this movie. What is Butler thinking?

Considering Butler's output since 300, I can't see this as anything but a lateral move for him. Chadwick Boseman is the only one where I'd go "the fuck you doing, guy," but his fortunes are about to rapidly accelerate next summer.
 
The real is question is what did Ancient Egyptians look like. I'm pretty sure they weren't Arabs.

We can go by how they depicted themselves. For example, in Exodus, the pharaoh is Ramses II which means the movie takes place somewhere between 1279 BC and 1213 BC. This is how Egyptians viewed Libyans, Nubians, Syrians and Egyptians at the time of Seti 1 (Ramses I's son and Ramses II's father) since this was found in his tomb:

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Who else could they cast? World Coptic population is no more than 8 million and finding a talented Copt actor is pretty much an impossible task.

They could find Semitic actors but difference between Semi and Copts much bigger than Nordic people and Asians.

Do we know any talented English speaking Arab actors?

From my previous post on the matter:

You won't know if they aren't given starring roles.

Outside of Friday Night Lights, Taylor Kitsch has been largely horrible. John Carter, Battleship, True Detective, X-Men. He has all the power of a dull thud, but he keeps getting work.

Want another? Jai Courtney. Want more? Luke Evans, Sam Worthington, Alex Pettyfer. Hell, Colin Farrell can act, but he's proven time and time again that he can't headline a goddamn film.

Imagine minority actors getting those same chances. The chance to work their way up to the same level.

You want some names?

Waleed Zuaiter


Ashraf Barhom

Faran Tahir

(I'll add in Alexander Siddig. Who wasn't in the original post.)

There are great actors out there. You know what they get to play in Hollywood? Terrorist #4.
 
Of course not. If the film had been called "Gods of Minnesota", the casting would be perfect. But this is about Egypt, so the studio could at least get some actors that "look" like they would be/are from Egypt.

It seems to be hard for some of you posters to put yourselves in other people's shoes, so let me help you out a bit. Imagine if this studio did a film called "The Pizzerias of New York City" about the history of New York Pizzerias, but the entire cast was made up of South Korean actors and actresses playing New York Pizzeria owners. Now ignoring how "hilarious" this would be, would that be "ok" to you? Now think about how you would feel if this happened in 99.9% of the films about historic US locations produced in Hollywood.

Make sure the pizza is deep dish chicago style to REALLY ruffle NY's feathers
 
Not surprising really. Like that comedian says, if you're an actor of middle eastern descent, the only job you will likely get in Hollywood is playing a terrorist.
 
At first I confused this with Exodus and wondered why Proyas was apologising on behalf of Scott, who'd already addressed (or rather "addressed") the matter.
 
Not surprising really. Like that comedian says, if you're an actor of middle eastern descent, the only job you will likely get in Hollywood is playing a terrorist.

Or a friendly Arab who can point out where the terrorists are.

Or a rich, eccentric oil Sheik.

I'm out.
 
Murdoch being Murdoch I see.

lol how many Egyptians does he know?

Though I suppose he's skirting on the technicality that Arabs are considered white.

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"white". Race isn't scientific, sure, but come the fuck on calling even half the people in my family white might as well be a joke.
 
We'll never know if a cast of reasonably accurate minority actors/actresses would bring in audiences, because they are never given the opportunity to play these parts.

There are a large number of black, Asian, middle eastern, etc actors and actresses out there that would have been excellent for the roles of this movie. The only reason they didn't get the part is some self fulfilling prophecy bullshit from Hollywood about how those types of actors don't bring in audiences so we don't cast them, and we don't cast them because nobody knows who the fuck they are because we don't cast them and push them like we do the flavor of the day actors and actresses.

Of Hollywood pushed minority actors the way they do Jennifer Lawrence, or Bradley Cooper, or any number of talented white actors and actresses, there'd be even more marketable faces and talent out there that would draw in audiences. It's maddening that even when a movie seems tailor made to showcase minority talent, it's taken from us! I just can't even.
 
lol how many Egyptians does he know?

Though I suppose he's skirting on the technicality that Arabs are considered white.

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"white". Race isn't scientific, sure, but come the fuck on calling even half the people in my family white might as well be a joke.

They only refer to them as white when they need to explain or co-opt their accomplishments. Pyramids, starting modern civilization, math, science in general, commerce, etc.
 
They only refer to them as white when they need to explain or co-opt their accomplishments. Pyramids, starting modern civilization, math, science in general, commerce, etc.
Well real people know the difference. Thankfully those sorts are growing by the day.

Menial growth, perhaps. But the growth is there.
 
Saying sorry isnt gonna make that movie money anyway. Its kinda funny that even freaking Yugioh gave Egyptians some color, yes the anime where Egyptians played card games does a better job than Hollywood
 
Let's be honest, they don't actually give a shit. Either no one noticed the diversity problem, or they didn't think it'd be a big deal. In both cases they're still at fault

Yep. I'd rather they have said "we don't care", because then they're being honest that diverse casting isn't a pressing concern of theirs. If it was, it would never have gotten to this stage.

Their apology doesn't mean much because Scott was right. Proyas and Lionsgate shouldn't pretend like it's possible to finance a blockbuster without at minimum one famous lead.

I think it's true, but it's a far cry from "they want a bankable lead and so I need some white guys" and "every single person in this film set in Egypt is European except the random extras."
 
There are very good actors from Middle East.
They get stereotyped to hell and back as terrorists, hijacker, or plain evil dude
If not their a convenience store employee, always the educated but super ecenteic butler/sideman, or shiek who lusts gold/power/wealth or wants harems/sexual worker/trader of flesh
If they get a good role, they are either very aloof in their money/showmanship or try to stereotype themselves like American playboys but fail miserably at it

Hollywood loves to whitewash, they're scared of I don't know what backlash they'll get if they don't whitewash, which is GODDAMN stupid logic

This apology is pointless
They're just saving face
Like "OMG you guys! We didn't realize we casted so many white people to portray a movie which should have been more diversified. Casting should have done a better job. Our producers should have second guessed themselves. Our director should have seen through the lens of what was taking place. The editor should have mentioned the look was off. It's our fault, but let us learn from our mistake. We created a shitty bomba movie now and using these little PR stunts to gain publicity. I mean any publicity is good publicity. We are super serious guys if this movies does super well, we'll change stuff for the sequel... No we won't lol, jk <3"
 
Most of egyptian population is what would fall under "white" on the american caucus, or what would be considered mediterranean or middle eastern in europe, or olive skinned or whatever.
Hmm. Reminds me of people in the anime threads who think every anime character is white unless they look absolutely Japanese.

I'd hate to picture what they consider "absolutely" Japanese <shudder>...
 
There are very good actors from Middle East.
They get stereotyped to hell and back as terrorists, hijacker, or plain evil dude
If not their a convenience store employee, always the educated but super ecenteic butler/sideman, or shiek who lusts gold/power/wealth or wants harems/sexual worker/trader of flesh
If they get a good role, they are either very aloof in their money/showmanship or try to stereotype themselves like American playboys but fail miserably at it

Hollywood loves to whitewash, they're scared of I don't know what backlash they'll get if they don't whitewash, which is GODDAMN stupid logic

This apology is pointless
They're just saving face
Like "OMG you guys! We didn't realize we casted so many white people to portray a movie which should have been more diversified. Casting should have done a better job. Our producers should have second guessed themselves. Our director should have seen through the lens of what was taking place. The editor should have mentioned the look was off. It's our fault, but let us learn from our mistake. We created a shitty bomba movie now and using these little PR stunts to gain publicity. I mean any publicity is good publicity. We are super serious guys if this movies does super well, we'll change stuff for the sequel... No we won't lol, jk <3"

The entire movie from top to bottom looks straight up awful. They managed to make a movie about Egyptian gods that look nothing like depiction of almost any Egyptian god and this is ignoring the white-washing.

I mean I could have designed a more theme fitting movie, and they shouldn't take that as a compliment.
 
The descendants of Arab settlers and invaders largely outnumber the true Egyptians, whom were black, but given the mythological times the movie supposedly takes place in, it's ridiculous they'd go with that many white dudes. Even if they went with modern day descendants of Arabs for the majority of the cast, it wouldn't be accurate, and it'd an insult to the true Egyptians - not that they'd fucking care about a Hollywood film exploiting their culture though, since they got more pressing matters to deal with, like racism from Arab-Egyptians. But at least they're not getting lynched like the true African Libyans, right?
 
The descendants of Arab settlers and invaders largely outnumber the true Egyptians, whom were black, but given the mythological times the movie supposedly takes place in, it's ridiculous they'd go with that many white dudes. Even if they went with modern day descendants of Arabs for the majority of the cast, it wouldn't be accurate, and it'd an insult to the true Egyptians - not that they'd fucking care about a Hollywood film exploiting their culture though, since they got more pressing matters to deal with, like racism from Arab-Egyptians. But at least they're not getting lynched like the true African Libyians.

Ancient Egypt was not entirely black, not even close. They were probably more black the closer you got to Nubia and the Horn of Africa, and more typical of what we consider to be modern day Egyptians the closer you got to Libya and the Middle East.
 
As I said in the last thread, it looks like a movie that would come on the SyFy channel. Should have been on Amazon or Netflix streaming, not going to pay movie ticket prices to go see this. This is so getting redbox'd.
 
Jesus that's some horrific shit. A spotlight needs to be shined on this kind of stuff more often.

This has been going on since Libya descended into a civil war and it's the rebels doing it. People have been trying to talk about it but that would be counter narrative towards the supposed success story that is the toppling of Ghadaffi, who was a tyrant, but at least kept the fanatics in line. As soon as the despot the West helped to power fell out of favour and had his country turned against him, the genocidal fucks began their reign of terror and ethnic cleansing. Of course we don't hear about the black Libyans being strung up or the mass graves. The rebels are supposed to be good guys after all!

Ancient Egypt was not entirely black. They were probably more black the closer you got to Nubia and the Horn of Africa, and more typical of what we consider to be modern day Egyptians the closer you got to Libya and the Middle East.

Ancient Egypt was likely the first multicultural civilisation in human history, but evidence suggest the Ancient Egyptians were black Africans who later became more ethnically diverse through expansion. Ramses II was supposedly a light skin black man and a redhead, as some historians, scientists and genticists concluded in their findings back in the 70s, but the majority of his predecessors were black. Not white, not Arab, not Mediterranean. Black.

But the world can't seem to reconcile that supposedly ignorant, mindless, witless blacks were so capable.
 
This has been going on since the Libya descended into civil war and it was mostly the rebels doing it. People have been trying to talk about it but would be counter narrative towards the supposed success story that was the toppling of Ghadaffi, who was a tyrant, but at least kept the fanatics in line. As soon as the despot the West helped to power well out of favour and had his country turn against him, the genocidal fucks began their reign of terror and ethnic cleansing. Of course we don't hear about the black Libyans being strung up or the mass graves. The rebels are supposed to be good guys after all!



Ancient Egypt was likely the first multicultural civilisation in human history, but evidence suggest the Ancient Egyptians were black Africans who later became more ethnically diverse through expansion. Ramses II was supposedly a light skin black man and a redhead, as some historians, scientists and genticists concluded in their findings back in the 70s, but the majority of his predecessors were black. Not white, not Arab, not Mediterranean. Black.

But the world can't seem to reconcile that supposedly ignorant, mindless, witless blacks were so capable.

Well yes, Napoleon did blow off the nose of the Sphinx for that reason
 
Well yes, Napoleon did blow off the nose of the Sphinx for that reason

Nah, didn't happen. The French has a shitty habit of using Sphinx noses for target practice, but that wasn't sanctioned as they had people officially studying and documenting the sites. British explorers found the Sphinx you're refering to in that state long before Napoleon's forces came upon it.

edit;

Had to double check; apparently it was another French explorer that found it in that state before Napoleon's forces, according to this source.

This is just like the Aloha situation in that the movie would be a hot pile of shit no matter who you cast.

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The real is question is what did Ancient Egyptians look like. I'm pretty sure they weren't Arabs.

They were from central Africa before the Sahara desert formed:

During the Neolithic Era, before the onset of desertification, around 9500 BCE the central Sudan had been a rich environment supporting a large population ranging across what is now barren desert, like the Wadi el-Qa'ab. By the 5th millennium BCE, the people who inhabited what is now called Nubia, were full participants in the "agricultural revolution", living a settled lifestyle with domesticated plants and animals. Saharan rock art of cattle and herdsmen suggests the presence of a cattle cult like those found in Sudan and other pastoral societies in Africa today.[38] Megaliths found at Nabta Playa are overt examples of probably the world's first known archaeoastronomy devices, predating Stonehenge by some 2,000 years.[39] This complexity, as observed at Nabta Playa, and as expressed by different levels of authority within the society there, likely formed the basis for the structure of both the Neolithic society at Nabta and the Old Kingdom of Egypt.[40]

Egyptians
By 6000 BCE predynastic Egyptians in the southwestern corner of Egypt were herding cattle and constructing large buildings. Subsistence in organized and permanent settlements in predynastic Egypt by the middle of the 6th millennium BCE centered predominantly on cereal and animal agriculture: cattle, goats, pigs and sheep. Metal objects replaced prior ones of stone. Tanning of animal skins, pottery and weaving were commonplace in this era also. There are indications of seasonal or only temporary occupation of the Al Fayyum in the 6th millennium BCE, with food activities centering on fishing, hunting and food-gathering. Stone arrowheads, knives and scrapers from the era are commonly found.[41] Burial items included pottery, jewelry, farming and hunting equipment, and assorted foods including dried meat and fruit. Burial in desert environments appears to enhance Egyptian preservation rites, and dead were buried facing due west.[42]

By 3400 BCE, the Sahara was as dry as it is today, due to reduced precipitation and higher temperatures resulting from a shift in the Earth's orbit.[9] As a result of this aridification, it became a largely impenetrable barrier to humans, with the remaining settlements mainly being concentrated around the numerous oases that dot the landscape. Little trade or commerce is known to have passed through the interior in subsequent periods, the only major exception being the Nile Valley. The Nile, however, was impassable at several cataracts, making trade and contact by boat difficult.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahara#History

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They were obviously black. This was thousands of years before the Muslim conquests or Mediterranean trade, which dramatically changed the genetic makeup of the region. It was a society built in continental Africa five thousand years ago. The idea that it would be composed of anyone but black Africans is absurd. But it absolutely kills people to acknowledge that black people founded the world's oldest great civilization.
 
They were from central Africa before the Sahara desert formed:



They were obviously black. This was thousands of years before the Muslim conquests or Mediterranean trade, which dramatically changed the genetic makeup of the region. It was a society built in continental Africa five thousand years ago. The idea that it would be composed of anyone but black Africans is absurd. But it absolutely kills people to acknowledge that black people founded the world's oldest great civilization.
Love the statues of Akhenaten, they were the best. He looks so different than other pharaohs.

Just saw the carving of him in your quote. The most interesting Pharaohs for sure.
 
They were from central Africa before the Sahara desert formed:



They were obviously black. This was thousands of years before the Muslim conquests or Mediterranean trade, which dramatically changed the genetic makeup of the region. It was a society built in continental Africa five thousand years ago. The idea that it would be composed of anyone but black Africans is absurd. But it absolutely kills people to acknowledge that black people founded the world's oldest great civilization.

It makes no sense for anyone to believe the Ancient Egyptians were anything but black, but trust that this revisionist history will be accepted as true for generations to come.
 
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