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If we ever cancel The Last Guardian we'll tell you, Sony's Yoshida promises
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Dusk Golem
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It's logical, but not an exclusive situation unfortunately. The release date between Resident Evil Code Veronica and Resident Evil 4 was five years, Half-Life 3 is still on-going, everyone knows the Duke Nukem fiasco, and there's a number of other examples. Again, I feel they just announced it way too soon, I'd even argue they aren't stringing people along, I'd in fact argue they're trying to do the opposite of that and just not show the game until its near-completion.
If they had kept on revealing media up to the game's release, they probably would of shown more than they want too. They've been a developer since ICO that likes the game to speak for itself and like to show only a little before the game releases.
I understand definitely wanting something and being let down because it's taking too long, trust me on that, especially as a horror lover there's franchises that are just left hanging for years and years, and cancelled sequels. But I feel that for a lot of people, the stringing along is brought upon by their own desire to have it, and since Sony isn't doing anything to 'light the flames', the hype dies down and then people get angry for not living up to expectations.
But those expectations come equally in part of them announcing the game too soon, and themselves building it up for themselves. I do it, so does everyone else. But sometimes these things do take time, for a number of reasons. I bet a lot of people would be less angry about this whole thing right now if IGN didn't spark some flames to the fire, but that's not the team's fault.
My honest guess is that they don't want to show media on the accordance that A.) They don't want to spoil or show too much of their game to make it fresh for more players when they play it with more surprises, and B.) They don't want to build hype and then just let people down again by not showing anything for a period of time after the fact.
I think they realized they showed it too soon back in 2007, and don't want a repeat so they're going to show it off when the game is near complete.
I'm not saying it's right of them, but on the other accordance, what should they do in this situation? They already showed it too early, there's no takie-backsies with these things. So they either show more of it, or hold off, and honestly for the type of games that the studio makes, I think holding off is the wiser decision.
staticneuron
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I also had a conversation with a dev that worked on Rain and found out they were from team ICO as well.
From when it was founded to how we know it at its peak, that would be about 500 years. So I guess that means we have a bit north of 490 years to go before TLG is released....... and it will probably be the most glorious single crowning achievement of mankind.
Ueda doesn't even work for Sony and stopped working on this game a long time ago. What remains of Team Ico get shuffled around to work on other games, there's no way Sony has spent the money and man-hours on making the game. If they were giving it the budget it needed to be an AAA PS4 game we'd me talking about one of the most incredible game development fiascos of all time given they have absolutely nothing to show after almost 8 years.
They just want us to stop talking about it and forget it ever existed. Because it doesn't anymore.
They just want us to stop talking about it and forget it ever existed. Because it doesn't anymore.
That's pretty cool, maybe they touch everything Japan Studios does.
He was still working on it late last year according to him.
charlequin
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The evidence we have is that the email distribution list for Half-Life 3 on Valve's servers is small and inactive, that developers have quite candidly admitted that they've thrown out pre-production approaches to Half-Life continuations multiple times, and that Valve has been saying for three years now that they're a service-game company and don't make traditional single-player titles anymore.
That's not a big sign in bold Helvetica saying "HALF LIFE THREE IS NEVER COMING," but it's not far off.
XV has actually shown new and more elaborate footage in the last three years, which puts them quite a bit ahead of TLG.
Lalalandia
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Acquiescence
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1. Udea's still working on the game, always has been. He just happens to be freelance now.
2. No one is going to forget this game exists, and no one knows that more than the folks at SCEJ. They're reminded every E3 that people are still passionate and still waiting for the game to be re-revealed..
Yeah that was my first reaction as well to be honest.
One new screenshot would ease our suffering, but they seem only to be willing to give us meta-info like this latest comment instead. Remains quite odd, this whole situation.
That assumes HL3 would be a traditional single-player title. This is what Gabe actually had to say about single player games from Valve in the future:
During Gabe's AMA, he had this to say on not announcing HL3:
And during Reddit's trip to Valve on Gabe's birthday, he said he'd talk about anything other than HL3. He didn't say it didn't exist, he didn't say it was canceled, he said he won't talk about it.
If HL3 wasn't coming, there's no reason for any of this, they could just plainly say so. That goes for TLG too. Maintaining the myth isn't benefiting anyone.
Ueda himself said some time ago that his creative input is over and that the 'game' is in other people's hands now.
Clear
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At this point, I highly doubt Sony would be persevering with it if it was intended to be a PS3 title. Which means its now almost certainly a PS4 project, and is going to require basically starting over from scratch in order to reach expectations for what a PS4 game is supposed to look like.
It can't look like an upscaled PS3 title on PS4 after all this time... so that's more work needing to be done.
It can't look like an upscaled PS3 title on PS4 after all this time... so that's more work needing to be done.
deejay8595
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Great post!
astroturfing
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i actually appreciate this and i believe him. because if he has to eat his words... gamers won't have mercy lol.
the game is coming. let's just chill.
the game is coming. let's just chill.
Acquiescence
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zeopower6
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As brought up before, he was still working on the game when that interview was conducted and probably still is. Basically, the 'creative' foundation is done, but everything else is coming after.
This sounded to me like he is still working on it but he has no way of being able to tell when/how/where/whatever everything will be finished.
Lol'd a lot harder than I probably should of.
Why would the director of the game have no way of telling what's going on with the game? Sounds like he has barely anything to do with the project.
Have Sony really been pumping millions and millions of dollars into this game? I just find that so hard to believe when you look at the cost of developing modern games on the scale of TLG, do we really think this game is in full production?
It sounds to me like Ueda set out his vision for the game and did some alpha stuff, then it all went wrong and he left the company, the project stalled and the developers were used as handymen on other Sony titles while perhaps a very small team kept working on TLG. We are certainly not talking about a normal AAA game with a huge budget and a game director who is in charge of development.
Aquamarine
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Time to update the list:
The Last Guardian Development
9 years ago (June 2005)
October 18th, 2005 - Team Ico releases their last original game, Shadow of the Colossus
8 years ago (June 2006)
It's reported that Team Ico was just experimenting with new ideas in this time period, like deciding between a PSP and PS3 project, etc.
Fumito Ueda: "If we were to make our next game, it would, naturally, be on the PS3"
7 years ago (June 2007):
February 2007 - Team Ico suggests that its new game was in the early phases of design
May 18th, 2007 - Sony reveals that Team Ico is developing two games
January 24th, 2008 - Team Ico teases the following image about their next big project, states it's heading to PS3:
6 years ago (June 2008):
August 4th, 2008 - Shuhei Yoshida: "Team Ico has something really, really good on the way."
August 6th, 2008 - Fumito Ueda says the new project has a long way to go before finishing development
August 28th, 2008 - Shuhei Yoshida: "The project isn't ready to show at TGS 2008"
March 25th, 2009 - Fumito Ueda says the essence of the new project will be similar to Ico
May 19th, 2009 - First footage of the game "Project Trico" leaks online
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF3fED8EXl4
5 years ago (June 2009):
June 2nd, 2009 - Sony reveals the above video in greater length at E3 2009, calling the game "The Last Guardian"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHzHoMT5eRg
June 3rd, 2009 - Fumito Ueda talks about The Last Guardian's gameplay
September 23rd, 2009 - The Last Guardian shows up at TGS 2009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fAHqFrH79Y
February 3rd, 2010 - Fumito Ueda says that we will learn more information about TLG soon
4 years ago (June 2010)
June 22nd, 2010 - TLG doesn't show up at E3 2010
September 16th, 2010 - TLG shows up at TGS 2010 with a new trailer and a promise for a Holiday 2011 release
http://www.viddler.com/embed/7050af...er=mini&disablebranding=0;offset=0&autoplay=0
http://www.viddler.com/file/7050afe2/html5/
September 24th, 2010 - Fumito Ueda talks more about TLG
March 2nd, 2011 - Team Ico was going to include a TLG demo in Ico and Shadow of the Colossus Collection, it doesn't work out
March 2nd, 2011 - A demo of TLG was apparently shown to Sony employees / press internally
April 20th, 2011 - Fumito Ueda delays TLG from Holiday 2011
3 years ago (June 2011)
September 8th, 2011 - TLG is nowhere to be found at E3 2011 or TGS 2011, Sony states that the development team is hard at work to deliver "the very best gaming experience possible"
September 22nd, 2011 - The Ico & Shadow of the Colossus Collection releases, a few staff members from Team Ico oversaw the project but it ws mainly developed by Bluepoint Games
November 30th, 2011 - Reports surface that Fumito Ueda leaves Sony and becomes an independent freelancer, still working on the project
December 12th, 2011 - Sony confirms the game is still in development, Sony confirms that Executive Producer / Director of the project Fumito Ueda has quit Sony but stays attached to the project as a freelancer
February 10th, 2012 - Shuhei Yoshida states TLG is making "progress, but slow progress," and it's "tough," but "it's still a really important project" so "there's some scrapping and rebuilding - iteration in the process"
February 14th, 2012 - Fumito Ueda confirms that development for the game is challenging, but it will come out
February 16th, 2012 - Sony states that Sony Santa Monica will help finish the game
2 years ago (June 2012)
June 5-6, 2012 - Nothing at E3, Yoshida blames "technical difficulties" as the reason, Scott Rhode says TLG will release "when it's done"
August 9th, 2012 - Sony re-registers trademark, reconfirms game is in development
August 15th, 2012 - Shuhei Yoshida: "They had to redo some of the work they had done"
November 7th, 2012 - Doesn't show up at TGS 2012, Shuhei Yoshida: "They're working hard on the project," refuses to commit to a 2013 release
February 13th, 2013 - Rumours start to emerge that TLG has been shifted development to a PS4 title for a while now and that it has been restarted a number of times
February 13th, 2013 - Fumito Ueda confirms the game is still in development under his supervision
February 22nd, 2013: Shuhei Yoshida: "We're waiting for the right time to re-introduce TLG"
1 year ago (June 2013)
June 11th, 2013: TLG doesn't show up at E3 2013, and Jack Tretton states the game is "on hiatus" but "has not gone away"," Shuhei Yoshida quickly rebuts that with "the game is in active development"
August 21st, 2013: Fumito Ueda: "The Last Guardian is still in development, but other projects such as Puppeteer and Knack currently taking higher priority"
October 10th, 2013: Doesn't show up at TGS 2013, Shuhei Yoshida: "A smaller team is re-engineering the game"
November 19th, 2013: Fumito Ueda states that he is "terribly sorry" it has taken so long to finish The Last Guardian, and that "my creative work was mostly finished a long time ago," but "the details of when, where, and how it will be completed are beyond my control."
March 12th, 2014: Scott Rhode: "We're not not going to announce what platform it’s coming on, who’s working on it, who’s involved. But that is still a title that’s absolutely in the mix at Worldwide Studios. That’s the most you’re gonna get.” He also adds that he "loves that people are still interested in it."
Today (June 2014)
June 8th, 2014: IGN starts a rumour that TLG has been cancelled in an internal meeting the prior week, cites Sony Russia exec. as the source, Scott Rhode + Yoshida "laughed at this rumor over dinner" and reiterated on Twitter "TLG has NOT been cancelled."
June 9th, 2014: TLG doesn't show up at E3 2014, and Shawn Layden says that, "on an occasion in the future," he will "talk more about what that progress looks like / what that route to market is going to look like" regarding TLG
June 12th, 2014: Shuhei Yoshida: "It exists. The team is working hard on it. When we cancel a title and it is something we have announced already, we'll say so."
The Last Guardian Development
9 years ago (June 2005)
October 18th, 2005 - Team Ico releases their last original game, Shadow of the Colossus
8 years ago (June 2006)
It's reported that Team Ico was just experimenting with new ideas in this time period, like deciding between a PSP and PS3 project, etc.
Fumito Ueda: "If we were to make our next game, it would, naturally, be on the PS3"
7 years ago (June 2007):
February 2007 - Team Ico suggests that its new game was in the early phases of design
May 18th, 2007 - Sony reveals that Team Ico is developing two games
January 24th, 2008 - Team Ico teases the following image about their next big project, states it's heading to PS3:
6 years ago (June 2008):
August 4th, 2008 - Shuhei Yoshida: "Team Ico has something really, really good on the way."
August 6th, 2008 - Fumito Ueda says the new project has a long way to go before finishing development
August 28th, 2008 - Shuhei Yoshida: "The project isn't ready to show at TGS 2008"
March 25th, 2009 - Fumito Ueda says the essence of the new project will be similar to Ico
May 19th, 2009 - First footage of the game "Project Trico" leaks online
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF3fED8EXl4
5 years ago (June 2009):
June 2nd, 2009 - Sony reveals the above video in greater length at E3 2009, calling the game "The Last Guardian"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHzHoMT5eRg
June 3rd, 2009 - Fumito Ueda talks about The Last Guardian's gameplay
September 23rd, 2009 - The Last Guardian shows up at TGS 2009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fAHqFrH79Y
February 3rd, 2010 - Fumito Ueda says that we will learn more information about TLG soon
4 years ago (June 2010)
June 22nd, 2010 - TLG doesn't show up at E3 2010
September 16th, 2010 - TLG shows up at TGS 2010 with a new trailer and a promise for a Holiday 2011 release
http://www.viddler.com/embed/7050af...er=mini&disablebranding=0;offset=0&autoplay=0
http://www.viddler.com/file/7050afe2/html5/
September 24th, 2010 - Fumito Ueda talks more about TLG
March 2nd, 2011 - Team Ico was going to include a TLG demo in Ico and Shadow of the Colossus Collection, it doesn't work out
March 2nd, 2011 - A demo of TLG was apparently shown to Sony employees / press internally
April 20th, 2011 - Fumito Ueda delays TLG from Holiday 2011
3 years ago (June 2011)
September 8th, 2011 - TLG is nowhere to be found at E3 2011 or TGS 2011, Sony states that the development team is hard at work to deliver "the very best gaming experience possible"
September 22nd, 2011 - The Ico & Shadow of the Colossus Collection releases, a few staff members from Team Ico oversaw the project but it ws mainly developed by Bluepoint Games
November 30th, 2011 - Reports surface that Fumito Ueda leaves Sony and becomes an independent freelancer, still working on the project
December 12th, 2011 - Sony confirms the game is still in development, Sony confirms that Executive Producer / Director of the project Fumito Ueda has quit Sony but stays attached to the project as a freelancer
February 10th, 2012 - Shuhei Yoshida states TLG is making "progress, but slow progress," and it's "tough," but "it's still a really important project" so "there's some scrapping and rebuilding - iteration in the process"
February 14th, 2012 - Fumito Ueda confirms that development for the game is challenging, but it will come out
February 16th, 2012 - Sony states that Sony Santa Monica will help finish the game
2 years ago (June 2012)
June 5-6, 2012 - Nothing at E3, Yoshida blames "technical difficulties" as the reason, Scott Rhode says TLG will release "when it's done"
August 9th, 2012 - Sony re-registers trademark, reconfirms game is in development
August 15th, 2012 - Shuhei Yoshida: "They had to redo some of the work they had done"
November 7th, 2012 - Doesn't show up at TGS 2012, Shuhei Yoshida: "They're working hard on the project," refuses to commit to a 2013 release
February 13th, 2013 - Rumours start to emerge that TLG has been shifted development to a PS4 title for a while now and that it has been restarted a number of times
February 13th, 2013 - Fumito Ueda confirms the game is still in development under his supervision
February 22nd, 2013: Shuhei Yoshida: "We're waiting for the right time to re-introduce TLG"
1 year ago (June 2013)
June 11th, 2013: TLG doesn't show up at E3 2013, and Jack Tretton states the game is "on hiatus" but "has not gone away"," Shuhei Yoshida quickly rebuts that with "the game is in active development"
August 21st, 2013: Fumito Ueda: "The Last Guardian is still in development, but other projects such as Puppeteer and Knack currently taking higher priority"
October 10th, 2013: Doesn't show up at TGS 2013, Shuhei Yoshida: "A smaller team is re-engineering the game"
November 19th, 2013: Fumito Ueda states that he is "terribly sorry" it has taken so long to finish The Last Guardian, and that "my creative work was mostly finished a long time ago," but "the details of when, where, and how it will be completed are beyond my control."
March 12th, 2014: Scott Rhode: "We're not not going to announce what platform it’s coming on, who’s working on it, who’s involved. But that is still a title that’s absolutely in the mix at Worldwide Studios. That’s the most you’re gonna get.” He also adds that he "loves that people are still interested in it."
Today (June 2014)
June 8th, 2014: IGN starts a rumour that TLG has been cancelled in an internal meeting the prior week, cites Sony Russia exec. as the source, Scott Rhode + Yoshida "laughed at this rumor over dinner" and reiterated on Twitter "TLG has NOT been cancelled."
June 9th, 2014: TLG doesn't show up at E3 2014, and Shawn Layden says that, "on an occasion in the future," he will "talk more about what that progress looks like / what that route to market is going to look like" regarding TLG
June 12th, 2014: Shuhei Yoshida: "It exists. The team is working hard on it. When we cancel a title and it is something we have announced already, we'll say so."
zeopower6
Member
I don't think that they have been pumping that much money into the game. I'm not really sure where that notion comes from...
And as him 'not knowing what's going on', it seems like rather than estimate how long things will take and how things are going to be done (see: their last estimated release date in 2011 and what led to that) he's gone the route of "things are out of my control" which is understandable since he pretty much failed as designer/director to deliver on time... though it was probably a bad idea to attach a date at all when they were that early in development.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/video-games/8373749/The-Last-Guardian-preview.html
I think this was a press/Sony thing and it was probably shown off a few times after internally. I believe David Cage probably saw it at the same time as the press did. Weird that they had journalists fly to Tokyo for it, but whatever.
crazygambit
Member
It's not though. He said that they would inform us of any game being cancelled that's been formally announced previously. Like they've done in the past. Therefore, in response to the question, no, TLG hasn't been cancelled.
Cloud Strife
Member
"We'll tell you if it's cancelled."
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"It's cancelled."
...
"It's cancelled."
Stevetopsy
Member
I feel like people just want this game out in a similar way that people wanted Duke Nukem Forever to release, for some sort of closure and an end. I was excited for Team ICO's follow up to SOTC as much as everyone else but at this point I feel like expecting them to deliver the caliber of game we imagined when it was announced is like expecting Rare to make a game as great as the ones from their heyday. Key talent has left. With Ueda gone and who knows what else has gone down over there, it's probably a much different environment now than when the game was first being conceived.
I do believe that they are actually trying to finish the game and get it as close to meeting expectations as possible. I'm just trying to keep my expectations reasonable.
I do believe that they are actually trying to finish the game and get it as close to meeting expectations as possible. I'm just trying to keep my expectations reasonable.
zeopower6
Member
It's very much the same situation as Versus XIII. Complete silence until the rereveal.
I think as long as Ueda is still on contract to finish the game (he is), the game should end up okay.
Aquamarine
Member
First threads on GAF wondering about Team Ico's new PS3 project:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=117255
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=132183
That's right...August 2006. Eight years ago.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=117255
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=132183
That's right...August 2006. Eight years ago.
I think I remember during one of the PS4 launch videos some coy reference to TLG and not stating whether or not the project had been moved over. The lack of talking about the platform it's on is what has me the most pessimistic about the game. If it was definitely going to come out, you'd think they could double down on PS3 or admit it's gone to PS4. Not tease it and then be all "of course it's not cancelled we're just not talking about it."
They can't cancel it before October, though. I want to celebrate the five year anniversary of my preorder.
They can't cancel it before October, though. I want to celebrate the five year anniversary of my preorder.
BruiserBear
Banned
Sony's handling of TLG saga is just embarrassing to watch. Just tell people what the fuck is going on with it already. There is no reason for this much secrecy, not when a game has been in development this long.
If it's truly not dead, tell people what you're currently doing that's taking so god damn long. If it's being ported to PS4, just fucking say it. If it's being heavily re-worked still, just say that. Just give people some clue you have a plan in place.
If it's truly not dead, tell people what you're currently doing that's taking so god damn long. If it's being ported to PS4, just fucking say it. If it's being heavily re-worked still, just say that. Just give people some clue you have a plan in place.
Last time the lists leaked, developers had moved out of the L4D3 group and into the HL3 group. Quite a few, actually. It's not much but it's some hope.
I don't think Sony will drop the ball after defending this title so much. It may take awhile, but I bet TLG sees the light of day. Just might not be the game everyone wanted or expected.
zeopower6
Member
They probably made the most progress early last year. There were a few patents issued to Team ICO for in-game mechanics or something.
UGH I wish that the 2011 preview wasn't press only
How come it's not brought up more often?http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-03-02-the-last-guardian-preview
AstroNut325
Member
This game now NEEDS to get canceled. The fact that it's been back to the drawing board numerous times says that they have no idea what to do with it. Let.It.Go.
Edit:
I will pay $20 for a behind the scenes/making-of documentary of TLG regardless of it ever seeing the light of day.
More than five years ago?! What!
Now i really want someone from Sony to, whenever they're ready, bump one of those threads with a new screen of the latest build of the game and be like: "Yeah, i heard they're working on this one game called Last Guardian".
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Wow this is eye opening.
I seriously wish they would just put this sucker out of its misery. I dont know how many more years I can stand to hear people talk about this.
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