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[LordOfChaos]

For those who imbeciles who don't get the difference between Israel and Palestinians.

The crappy part is, everything went exactly to plan, didn't it. The hostages and the attack forced an Israeli counteroffensive, the world responded predictably to the reality of dense urban warfare, everyone lined up to play their part.

The worst of all possible worlds here would be going this far, having the world turn against you, and then also leaving Hamas intact in any form. They have to be completely removed after all this, pressure will continue to mount but it has to be done.

 

[jason10mm]

The crappy part is, everything went exactly to plan, didn't it. The hostages and the attack forced an Israeli counteroffensive, the world responded predictably to the reality of dense urban warfare, everyone lined up to play their part.

The worst of all possible worlds here would be going this far, having the world turn against you, and then also leaving Hamas intact in any form.

I don't think we are groking the radical islamic.mindset. The goal isn't a military style conquest, it's just bleeding the west dry and eroding our standard of living played out over DECADES because they can wait that long. They just need Israel to have to spend on military instead of infrastructure and the west to lose a single % point of support a year.

Plus they flood our countries with their people because they weaponize our sympathies and guilt. In 300 years this period is gonna seem like a veritable invasion.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

I don't see the separation. It's not as if politics exists outside the brain. You must have no sense of self preservation to have that politics in the first place. The current status quo is fundamentaly a liberal one. So if you are gay and you align yourself with someone who thinks you should get the death penalty then all you will do is overturn the current situation where we don't currently have the death penalty to one that does. I have spoken to a couple of people and it's not that they don't believe that if Israel was replaced with a majority Muslim state that it wouldn't be considerably less liberal, they believe it would be and have no issue with it.

My interpretation is that these people don't actually care about moral progress, they care about minimizing conflict and minimizing the amount of shocking images they are exposed to.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

Doesn't get much better than this expose.


Footage of the rescue of hostages. Warning death.

I had to stop after that Woman was "appalled" by IDF combatants disguising themselves as civilians. That went from zero to "enough internet today" real quick.

 

[ADiTAR]

 

[Nonehxc]

IDF gettin' Medieval on Hezbollass

https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/QEyQgQtiaw

 

[LordOfChaos]

This belief system even overrides the most fundamental human instinct of all, protection of your children



Salman Rushdie is clearly right

Salman Rushdie says a Palestinian state formed today would be ‘Taliban-like’

Novelist, who teaches at New York University, says he finds it strange that progressive students currently ‘kind of support a fascist terrorist group’

www.theguardian.com

 

[ADiTAR]

 

[Woggleman]

I am getting increasingly convinced that there must be biological reason to explain people who are pro Palestine while being extremely liberal. I get Muslims but not somebody who believes men can give birth. Its almost as if there is no sense of self preservation, as the same people also don't want to reproduce. They would be on the beach waving to the Vikings.

It is because their worldview is that of the oppressor vs oppressed and the western world are white colonizer oppressors.

 

[Dr. Claus]

It is because their worldview is that of the oppressor vs oppressed and the western world are white colonizer oppressors.

The ironic part is when you suggest that they should give up their land and give it back to the Native Americans, they all suddenly get quiet and claim that it is different.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

The ironic part is when you suggest that they should give up their land and give it back to the Native Americans, they all suddenly get quiet and claim that it is different.

I had someone suggest they would … but only if the government bought it off them. I.e. they profit off the stolen land paid for by the taxpayer

 

[ADiTAR]

I do wonder why no one is putting up a stand next to these protests and encampments, giving them a fully paid trip to live in the west bank for a year and volunteer. I wonder how many would sign up.

 

[jason10mm]

The ironic part is when you suggest that they should give up their land and give it back to the Native Americans, they all suddenly get quiet and claim that it is different.

Or worse, they make a big performative display about honoring the indigenous peoples that lived there before, often trotting out some sad souls from a nearby reservation, as if that guy has any real connection to the tribe that took that land from another tribe who took it from another tribe, stretching back to the mists of time. There is no patch of dirt on earth that haven't changed hands more than a dozen times.

 

[Lord Panda]

 

[Darkmakaimura]

For those who imbeciles who don't get the difference between Israel and Palestinians.

Of course. Hamas loves it when civilians die because that just means more support for Palestine by all the idiotic pro Palestine sheep out there. The world is turning on Israel because that's exactly what Hamas wants to do. It's all part of the plan and it's working, unfortunately.

 

[Lord Panda]

Of course. Hamas loves it when civilians die because that just means more support for Palestine by all the idiotic pro Palestine sheep out there. The world is turning on Israel because that's exactly what Hamas wants to do. It's all part of the plan and it's working, unfortunately.

Yep, Hamas are basically saying: "If you don't give in to our demands, then we will keep forcing you to kill our civilians." It's fucking messed up.

Meanwhile some civilians are like that fucking idiot mother posted above. Of course your mainstream news and other outlets aren't going to show that bitch on TV.

 

[jason10mm]

Yep, Hamas are basically saying: "If you don't give in to our demands, then we will keep forcing you to kill our civilians." It's fucking messed up.

Meanwhile some civilians are like that fucking idiot mother posted above. Of course your mainstream news and other outlets aren't going to show that bitch on TV.

This will only go on for so long before some forward thinking, progressive leader, be it an imam, businessman, educator, or just a construction foreman, steps up and creates an "anti-HAMAS" movement that rejects the radical ideologies, kicks HAMAS and other militant groups out of residential areas, and seizes control of government power to create a viable alternative for Israel to negotiate with. We have seen with Germany, Japan, and other areas that when you get your teeth kicked in enough eventually all the "tough guys" are gone and the more level headed thinkers can take over. But Gazans have to be willing to cut ties with their out of country "leaders" living in luxury and other foreign instigators that use them for pawns. Gazans are gonna have to make a big cultural shift in their relationship with the Koran and a move towards secular government with proper checks and balances and duty to the populace. Gazans can clearly work hard when motivated to do so, they could have been a proper labor force for the entire middle east (as opposed to the indentured servant/slave labor groups they import from the east and lower parts of Africa) and made peace with Israel and just gradually buy back the lands they lost. Heck, if Protestants and Catholics can live side by side in secular harmony (except on Sundays) then Arabs and Jews can as well.

 

[ADiTAR]

This will only go on for so long before some forward thinking, progressive leader, be it an imam, businessman, educator, or just a construction foreman, steps up and creates an "anti-HAMAS" movement that rejects the radical ideologies, kicks HAMAS and other militant groups out of residential areas, and seizes control of government power to create a viable alternative for Israel to negotiate with. We have seen with Germany, Japan, and other areas that when you get your teeth kicked in enough eventually all the "tough guys" are gone and the more level headed thinkers can take over. But Gazans have to be willing to cut ties with their out of country "leaders" living in luxury and other foreign instigators that use them for pawns. Gazans are gonna have to make a big cultural shift in their relationship with the Koran and a move towards secular government with proper checks and balances and duty to the populace. Gazans can clearly work hard when motivated to do so, they could have been a proper labor force for the entire middle east (as opposed to the indentured servant/slave labor groups they import from the east and lower parts of Africa) and made peace with Israel and just gradually buy back the lands they lost. Heck, if Protestants and Catholics can live side by side in secular harmony (except on Sundays) then Arabs and Jews can as well.

 

[Lord Panda]

Why the heck should Israel agree to a ceasefire especially in light of surveys like this (provided there's a large number of credible respondents). It's fucking absurd shit. Reading through the terms and entitlement from the Hamas cunts, it's akin to accepting ceasefire with Putin at the current frontlines in Ukraine, ceding all gained territories to him, and letting all those invading cunts and their leadership get off with a pat on the back. Hamas has to be dismantled and destroyed down to the roots for Israel to truly have peace.

 

[BouncyFrag]

 

[ADiTAR]

South Korea winning.

 

[YCoCg]

Might as well just make them wear stars on their arms at this point, how can they think this is right?

 

[Dr. Claus]

Might as well just make them wear stars on their arms at this point, how can they think this is right?

The way they were educated, the way they were raised. Bigotry like this doesn't come out of nowhere, it is a steady, continuous, and insidious effort to try and turn a person into an "other". Something that isn't human, that needs to be eradicated.

No different than how anti-black and anti-LGBT was propagated for years in the west.

The only way we can change this is by systematic change. Removing the rot in our schools and higher education, showing quick and severe punishments for promoting/celebrating/pushing this mindset. These people should be fired from their jobs, lose any scholarships they had, and placed on a watch list or in jail. Once severe punishments start rolling out, there would be less and less people willing to agree or promote this mindset.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

Might as well just make them wear stars on their arms at this point, how can they think this is right?

It's never been a particularly self-aware movement. It's been about outrage for its own sake practically from day one. Angry people looking for a reason to justify their anger.

 

[jason10mm]

I know it's London so it could never happen but DAMN, here in the US folks dressed like that and saying stuff like that should be OPEN SEASON for any concealed carry citizens in the car!

 

[StreetsofBeige]

That's low browers for ya.