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[jason10mm]

I only slightly disagree here because I don't like the idea lately that creative ideas must be neatly put into different boxes. "Women must act this way, men must act that way" is a very rigid approach towards creativity.

Yeah, and we get good examples like Alien where none of the characters were written with a specific gender so we don't have "man moments" or "woman emoting" scenes, though I suspect some stuff, like Lambert just crying as the alien approaches, may have been tweaked to take advantage of the actresses capabilities.

I'm more thinking about the typical girl boss character that really feels like a dude in a shapeless dress given bad setup to "defeat misogyny" rather than any actual character growth.

Consider Tom Hank's character in Saving Private Ryan. His big emotional break is something he does in private and tries to hide from his men. This FEELS very real and generates a TON of empathy, from men and women, because I think it resonates with a lot of men on how we deal with extreme grief/stress and it opens him up just a little for women that he does have vulnerability and does care. It's not "toxic masculinity" as many might say today, but rather a reflection on the price of leadership in war and the sacrifices leaders make to maintain moral for their soldiers. Now maybe a female combat unit (or WAC, competitive knitting team, or whatever the situation) might have the leader emote in front of her team and they all share in it, but that's a feminine thing to do (maybe, never really been in that situation myself) but I know VERY few men who would cry outside of a small circle of close confidants or family (other than that one guy who gets weepy over everything, we all know one

Anyway, not to get too into the weeds with action hero screenwriting, it's just how I approach these things as a viewer.

 

[March Climber]

Yeah, and we get good examples like Alien where none of the characters were written with a specific gender so we don't have "man moments" or "woman emoting" scenes, though I suspect some stuff, like Lambert just crying as the alien approaches, may have been tweaked to take advantage of the actresses capabilities.

I'm more thinking about the typical girl boss character that really feels like a dude in a shapeless dress given bad setup to "defeat misogyny" rather than any actual character growth.

Consider Tom Hank's character in Saving Private Ryan. His big emotional break is something he does in private and tries to hide from his men. This FEELS very real and generates a TON of empathy, from men and women, because I think it resonates with a lot of men on how we deal with extreme grief/stress and it opens him up just a little for women that he does have vulnerability and does care. It's not "toxic masculinity" as many might say today, but rather a reflection on the price of leadership in war and the sacrifices leaders make to maintain moral for their soldiers. Now maybe a female combat unit (or WAC, competitive knitting team, or whatever the situation) might have the leader emote in front of her team and they all share in it, but that's a feminine thing to do (maybe, never really been in that situation myself) but I know VERY few men who would cry outside of a small circle of close confidants or family (other than that one guy who gets weepy over everything, we all know one

Anyway, not to get too into the weeds with action hero screenwriting, it's just how I approach these things as a viewer.

I think there’s a small misunderstanding. To clarify, I’m alright with everything you’ve just listed and used as examples, but where we differ is that I’m also okay with the opposite.

I’d rather creatives just create what they want, whether good, mediocre, or bad, and let their vision speak for itself. I just want it to be a creative vision in the first place.

Regardless of complaints regarding this movie, it’s a movie that George Miller wanted to create. So even if he has a slight weak point where he didn’t write his stoic female protagonist as good as the best ones out there, I’m fine with that. In his own mind maybe he feels that he excels at it.

It doesn’t feel right when there’s pressure from people telling a creative to make something according to an agreed upon defacto pattern, or to simply not create. Even if it’s offensive to some, I want to see how they came up with that offensive vision.

 

[jason10mm]

I think there’s a small misunderstanding. To clarify, I’m alright with everything you’ve just listed and used as examples, but where we differ is that I’m also okay with the opposite.

I’d rather creatives just create what they want, whether good, mediocre, or bad, and let their vision speak for itself. I just want it to be a creative vision in the first place.

Regardless of complaints regarding this movie, it’s a movie that George Miller wanted to create. So even if he has a slight weak point where he didn’t write his stoic female protagonist as good as the best ones out there, I’m fine with that. In his own mind maybe he feels that he excels at it.

It doesn’t feel right when there’s pressure from people telling a creative to make something according to an agreed upon defacto pattern, or to simply not create. Even if it’s offensive to some, I want to see how they came up with that offensive vision.

I dunno, there ARE established "rules" for how these things have been shown to work. An "anything goes" attitude can be DISASTEROUS for creatives as they often do need some left/right limits and constraints to really do their best work. We have 100+ years of cinema as a medium, if you are gonna throw that ball out the window you had better be SOLID on the fundamentals to know where you can push things. I don't want checklists dictating the film but nor do I think totally ignoring the accumulated weight of film and what works/doesn't work is necessarily the best idea either.

Furiosa as a film coulda used some more work. Maybe George just wanted to get as many ideas out there as possible while he had time left to do it, but the film was over stuffed and suffered for it. If he had 30% less budget and more folks yelling at him to "just get it done!" I think it could have been a leaner, meaner, more raw experience that would have, for me, been a closer experience to Road Warrior which is what I wanted. Zero in on Furiosa, her journey, and less time myth building around Dementus, Immortal Joe, peach pits, and wild eyed mommies.

 

[March Climber]

I dunno, there ARE established "rules" for how these things have been shown to work. An "anything goes" attitude can be DISASTEROUS for creatives as they often do need some left/right limits and constraints to really do their best work. We have 100+ years of cinema as a medium, if you are gonna throw that ball out the window you had better be SOLID on the fundamentals to know where you can push things. I don't want checklists dictating the film but nor do I think totally ignoring the accumulated weight of film and what works/doesn't work is necessarily the best idea either.

On the other hand, I feel like there are so many, many movies releasing on a regular basis and so many that have released in the past 100 years, that I think it's fine at this point for people to forgo certain rules to attempt to make what they truly want to make. Again though, both what you suggest and what you don't are fine to do in my opinion.

This doesn't invalidate the idea criticisms or critique. For example I agree with the fact that the movie could have been slightly better in certain regards as the next part of your post pointed out. My main hope going forward is that creatives like him aren't pressured to change characters or writing based on public sway, online discourse, and things happening outside of their control.

 

[jason10mm]

On the other hand, I feel like there are so many, many movies releasing on a regular basis and so many that have released in the past 100 years, that I think it's fine at this point for people to forgo certain rules to attempt to make what they truly want to make. Again though, both what you suggest and what you don't are fine to do in my opinion.

This doesn't invalidate the idea criticisms or critique. For example I agree with the fact that the movie could have been slightly better in certain regards as the next part of your post pointed out. My main hope going forward is that creatives like him aren't pressured to change characters or writing based on public sway, online discourse, and things happening outside of their control.

I'm with you on ignoring the social media circus. This relates to the checklist as death to creativity. The only thing the internet has ever done in a positive light was give us the Ryan Reynolds Deadpool movie.

 

[SirKicksalot]

‘It's like a constantly evolving three-dimensional puzzle’ - befores & afters

The visual effects of ‘Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga’, including those crazy War Rig scenes, impressive wasteland environments, immense rotoscoping, and how Anya Taylor-Joy’s facial features were translated onto the young Furiosa.

beforesandafters.com

This confirms the Bullet Farmer is CGI and talks about one of the controversial trailer scenes:

At one point, the War Rig hurtles around the various levels of the mine before pushing a Kombi-Van into the depths below. “There were live-action plates for both vehicles up until the point where the Kombi-Van leaves the ground,”

It's a very comprehensive breakdown.

 

[Chuck Berry]

You all are getting soft

Couldn’t imagine liking let alone paying to see this tripe

 

[Facism]

k

 

[cormack12]

It's a popcorn action film. It's good for what it is. Anya clearly is hotter with darker hair too.

I did watch Fury Road prior to this just to refresh the story. And I don't think it's like on another clearly distinct level in terms of quality.

The story was carried a lot by Praetorian Jack's performance I felt. And we could have done more seeing the deterioration of gastown under Dementus.

I wasn't expecting anything groundbreaking or new, and got a solid action film. Kind of what I expected

 

[Darkmakaimura]

lulz.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

We went and saw this yesterday as an excuse to get out of the house - We'd have seen this or The Fall Guy, but this one was on at a more convenient time.

I didn't really get the acclaim that Fury Road got, or this one.
It's OK, but I thought the best stuff was all in the first half hour or so.

Also, I know the film's been out a while, but the screening we saw it in had a capacity of nearly 300 people and there were 4 of us in there. Sunday evening 5pm. However, lots of people were coming out of Bad Boys.

 

[EviLore]

It's OK, but I thought the best stuff was all in the first half hour or so.

Th first half hour doesn’t have the war rig chase…

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Th first half hour doesn’t have the war rig chase…

Yeah, I think I enjoyed the pursuit across the desert with sniper mum trying to stop the bad guys getting back to the boss with Furiosa and news of the place of abundance more. I know the most popular images of these films is a convoy of vehicles, and fire and so on, but that stuff doesn't really grabs me. I'm not knocking it though, I think these are probably just not the films for me.

 

[SlimySnake]

Yeah, I think I enjoyed the pursuit across the desert with sniper mum trying to stop the bad guys getting back to the boss with Furiosa and news of the place of abundance more. I know the most popular images of these films is a convoy of vehicles, and fire and so on, but that stuff doesn't really grabs me. I'm not knocking it though, I think these are probably just not the films for me.

The mom chase was awesome. I enjoyed it far more than i thought i would. Especially after my friend said that the first half lacks Anya Taylor Joy so i figured it would be shit. So many cool Sniper shots.

But the big war rig sequence is the best action scene ive seen since the finale of the first movie. The bulletfarm setepiece was also awesome if a bit too CG heavy. I do think the movie needed one more scene like that towards the end. Dementus goes out like a chump.

 

[SlimySnake]

lulz.

Yeah, Gen z isnt particularly smart. They grew up eating tide pods and chasing viral trends and they believe anything that goes viral. Tiktok only exacerbated this.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

The mom chase was awesome. I enjoyed it far more than i thought i would. Especially after my friend said that the first half lacks Anya Taylor Joy so i figured it would be shit. So many cool Sniper shots.

But the big war rig sequence is the best action scene ive seen since the finale of the first movie. The bulletfarm setepiece was also awesome if a bit too CG heavy. I do think the movie needed one more scene like that towards the end. Dementus goes out like a chump.

I think I liked the Bulletfarm stuff best as far as that sort of thing goes, but agree the CGI was too obvious. Shame, it's obviously getting better and better, and I'm sure some bits that I didn't clock were CGI, but it snapped me out a few times in this film.

 

[jason10mm]

I think I liked the Bulletfarm stuff best as far as that sort of thing goes, but agree the CGI was too obvious. Shame, it's obviously getting better and better, and I'm sure some bits that I didn't clock were CGI, but it snapped me out a few times in this film.

I think the issue with CG is that production houses are slammed and its very time sensitive. I think a lot of the bad CG we see are because of release schedules that CAN NOT be moved so its all rush jobs. The marvel films seem especially prone to this since they are all mapped out years in advance. Practical stuff has to be done before the cameras roll so its the problem in reverse, but the film can't be made without the stunts and effects. The worst conflagration of the 2 is a shoddy on set experience with a "we'll fix it in post" attitude, then a rushed CG schedule leading to crap all around.

 

[SlimySnake]

I think the issue with CG is that production houses are slammed and its very time sensitive. I think a lot of the bad CG we see are because of release schedules that CAN NOT be moved so its all rush jobs. The marvel films seem especially prone to this since they are all mapped out years in advance. Practical stuff has to be done before the cameras roll so its the problem in reverse, but the film can't be made without the stunts and effects. The worst conflagration of the 2 is a shoddy on set experience with a "we'll fix it in post" attitude, then a rushed CG schedule leading to crap all around.

This is probably very true because those early trailers looked full of CG but those same shots in the final version were cleaned up. There are still some shots that look CG like the tanker driving down the bullet farm canyons but other than that i was very surprised by just how real the movie looked 90% of the time. I was expecting a CG fest after the trailers.

They shouldve delayed the movie if only to give trailers time to showcase the finished CG work. That doomed the movie to me.

I still appreciate what they managed to do during covid with all those guidelines and all the insanity thats plaguing the CG studios right now. Shooting a movie like this with so many stunts and practical effects is impossible and they did it during covid while game studios were complaining about working from home. Hollywood is just on another level. The fact that it cost $170 million while game budgets are going past $200 million for what are ubisoft style copy pasta games is crazy. The sheer level of craftmanship on display in Mad Max, Dune Part 2, The Batman, Planet of the Apes, Avatar 2, Top Gun and Mission Impossible is nothing short of a miracle.

 

[drganon]

lulz.

Next you're going to tell me the shark from jaws wasn't real.

 

[March Climber]

Yeah, Gen z isnt particularly smart. They grew up eating tide pods and chasing viral trends and they believe anything that goes viral. Tiktok only exacerbated this.

I have some bad news for you. There’s a much higher likelihood that these are milennials and not Gen Z.

I find it funny that history is starting to repeat itself and Gen Z is getting blamed for every random bad thing that happens online though.

 

[Woggleman]

I am spreading the good word and recommending this to everybody I know.

 

[Redneckerz]

Saw it a few weeks ago. Having seen all Mad Max, this was a pretty solid release. The first hour or so was too lengthy though. Definitely felt i was still in the prologue when the break hit.

Other than that, it has those epic vista's, those imaginative designs, all marred to a somewhat worse story than Fury Road.

Nothing beats the originals though. They were... grittier.