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valkillmore
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(10-30-2014, 01:49 AM)
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amazing thread. loving all the pics coming in.
Chacranajxy
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(10-30-2014, 01:49 AM)
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Man, I have no idea why, but these shots just look incredible. Such great artwork.
Peltz
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(10-30-2014, 02:50 AM)
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Sonic 2 on a Genesis Model 1 with RGB out to my 14" Panasonic Studio RGB Monitor. I got in pretty close in on that last picture :-)
EasyMode
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(10-30-2014, 02:51 AM)
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Originally Posted by richisawesome

Retroarch with crt-easymode shader. All games running in 240p:

I think that's the old version of the shader, Rich. The latest one has a grille mask.

Big 1440p screenshot:

5taquitos
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(10-30-2014, 03:00 AM)
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I wish I had something to contribute, this thread is making me hot.

Subbed, keep them coming! I'm going to have to read through the RGB thread.
dodgeme
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(10-30-2014, 03:03 AM)
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I've got a bunch here for you guys. Nothing too special as I haven't played deep into a lot of these yet except the SHMUPS, but these should give you an idea of the quality of RGB on original Genesis/Sega CD hardware. These pictures were taken on a Olympus OEV 143 RGB monitor which is a rebranded Sony PVM. Be warned there's a lot of these coming up. Also some aren't the greatest picture but oh well.

Plus I couldn't avoid this thread after how fun the CRT thread has been.

Sega CD System




Lunar: The Silver Star






Popful Mail




Android Assualt




Lords of Thunder




Elemental Master




Ghouls and Ghosts




UnDeadLine






Streets of Rage 2






Crusader of Centy - Easily the best looking in RGB of the bunch in my opinion






MUSHA




baphomet
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(10-30-2014, 03:04 AM)
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Will have to throw some sexy stuff in here when I get off work tomorrow morning.
Peltz
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(10-30-2014, 03:19 AM)
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Originally Posted by Yes Boss!

The scanline-loving crowd never recognize just how beautiful the pixel structure makes amazing scanlines on the 3DS. So lovely.

I love this post. Nicely done.

Isn't 3DS also 240p in 2D mode?
gelf
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(10-30-2014, 03:48 AM)
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Originally Posted by pswii60

This thread contains the magic that every new indie pixel art game is missing.

Agreed. This is why though I enjoy playing some of them I cannot get fully on board with the pixel art they utilize. They just don't look as good without a proper CRT display or at least an attempt to emulate that look. I'd love to be able to apply retroarch shaders to them all though (someone please tell me that's possible).
patrickthehedgehog
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(10-30-2014, 03:54 AM)
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Originally Posted by Yes Boss!

The scanline-loving crowd never recognize just how beautiful the pixel structure makes amazing scanlines on the 3DS. So lovely.

I've noticed this when playing NES VC games on 3DS XL. Is that the new LL or the regular new model? Is that how the screen is making it look or does that glorious port of a game that's never going to come to the US have an option for scanlines?
Peltz
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(10-30-2014, 04:14 AM)
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Last ones before I'm done for today.





DK 94 on Super Gameboy on SNES 1, RGB, 14" Panasonic Studio RGB Monitor
robot
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(10-30-2014, 04:42 AM)
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Originally Posted by pswii60

This thread contains the magic that every new indie pixel art game is missing.

I agree with you for the most part, but one game off the top of my head that absolutely nails it is Shovel Knight. Especially the 3DS version.
Windam
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(10-30-2014, 04:47 AM)
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My eyes! You people are monsters.

If it ain't 1080p60fps I won't play it, much less even look at it.
Yes Boss!
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(10-30-2014, 04:59 AM)
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Originally Posted by patrickthehedgehog

I've noticed this when playing NES VC games on 3DS XL. Is that the new LL or the regular new model? Is that how the screen is making it look or does that glorious port of a game that's never going to come to the US have an option for scanlines?

Nah, nothing with the M2 work...they don't have any scanline options. If anything as you shift through the range of 3D you start getting some abberations. NES games look just as good (as long as you go one-to-one pixel). I just happened to be playing FZII tonight. It is the smaller N3DS...a nice return to form and smaller screen they started with the 2DS. Smaller 3DS systems have better image than the larger models, I've always felt. OG model is tops. I love the low-res screen on the 3DS, way more preferable to something like the Vita
jbueno
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(10-30-2014, 05:37 AM)
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Now this is my kind of thread. Here are some of the pics Ive taken for my Instagram account which is mostly dedicated to these shots LOL. In no particular order. Ill try to make new ones for this thread as soon as Im done with a stupid test.

Shots taken on my Sony WEGA CRT SDTV.

Super Mario Bros. NES via Wii VC, Component.


Punch-Out!! NES via Wii VC, Component.



Ninja Gaiden. NES via Wii VC, Component.


Donkey Kong Country. SNES via Wii VC, Component.


Super Adventure Island. SNES via Wii VC, Component.


Pocky & Rocky 2. SNES S-Video out.


GS Mikami. SFC S-Video out.


Streets of Rage 2. Genesis via Wii VC, Component.



Shinobi 3. Genesis via Wii VC, Component.


Castlevania Rondo of Blood. PCE via Wii VC, Component.



Raiden Project. PS1 S-Video out.


Castlevania SOTN (NTSC-J). PS1 S-Video out.



Salamander 2. PS1 S-Video out.


Final Fantasy IX. PS1 S-Video out.


Garou Mark of the Wolves. PS2 Component out, 240 patch applied.


Street Fighter III Third Strike. Dreamcast S-Video out, 240p out.


Real Bout Fatal Fury Special. NeoGeo via Wii VC, Component.



Fatal Fury. NeoGeo via Wii VC, Component.


Fatal Fury 3. NeoGeo via Wii VC, Component.


Baseball Stars 2. NeoGeo via Wii VC, Component.


480p 31 kHz scanlines need some love too, you know. Some shots on my Sony CRT 21 VGA monitor.

DoDonPachi Daifukkatsu. Xbox360 through VGA out.


Espgaluda II. Xbox360 through VGA out.

MightyHedgehog
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(10-30-2014, 06:01 AM)
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For everyone commenting on how newer games' pixel art fails to have the magic of the old stuff, I think that beyond the pure artistry involved, it's about the lack of texture that scanlines help to provide with those low resolution images. Just turn off scanlines with any emulator or upscaler and the quality of that work is greatly diminished or, at least, very different, because those graphic artists and animators relied upon the scanlines and phosphor glow on their own workstation CRT monitors to be the very canvas they created all of their art in mind with. Take those scanlines away, and the dimensions of their intended art are altered and put that on a fixed panel display, and you're losing the near-infinite spatial resolution that CRT provided with that glossy movement no current fixed panel can replicate until they have much higher pixel density than is available now on the average gaming display. I love the newest attempts at recreating the old look, but the uniformity of scanline width due to the lack of proper phosphor glow simulation to approximate the CRT effect still loses the real thing that any CRT does with ease. As well, the hues apparent to the naked eye are greater when you're looking at those dithered patterns used in those low color-depth images from a decent distance, helped by that luminosity of that phosphor glow for brighter colors creating those intermediate shades by effectively thinning the scanlines above and below them. Maybe one day in the next decade, but for now CRT is just not perfectly replicated on modern display tech.

Originally Posted by jbueno

And damn! at that phosphor glow from that SoR2 pic you took, jbueno.
theSlacker
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(10-30-2014, 06:03 AM)
Thread needs to be renamed to "Hardcore pornography, mature audiences only".
XanaviF30
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(10-30-2014, 06:09 AM)
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OMG! Best thread ever!!!!

Would like to request more full screenshots of 2D fighting games please.
Timu
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(10-30-2014, 06:11 AM)
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Wow...this thread delivers, so many awesome pics, I can't wait to post mine once I get a scanline generator.
dodgeme
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(10-30-2014, 07:10 AM)
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Haven't seen a ton of Saturn love in here yet either so here I am to deliver. Again these are all taken on a 14" Olympus OEV 143 which is a Sony PVM clone. The scanlines show up a lot better in these then my first set. If some are blurry thats an ill effect of me trying to do this with one hand trying to make the games do something with the other.

Akumajo Dracula X






Dodonpachi - Not in tate mode, didn't feel like flipping the monitor at the time.










Gunbird






Layer Section






Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter











Bonus Shot:
Took this of Megaman X5 on my PS2 through component on this monitor as well. Really liked the way the scanlines showed in this shot.


patrickthehedgehog
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(10-30-2014, 07:14 AM)
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Originally Posted by XanaviF30

OMG! Best thread ever!!!!

Would like to request more full screenshots of 2D fighting games please.

Your wish is my command!







Top two are from Art of Fighting 2 and the others are from KOF 98 both running on an Omega CMVS through an xrbg and on a panny plasma.
dodgeme
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(10-30-2014, 07:58 AM)
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Originally Posted by XanaviF30

OMG! Best thread ever!!!!

Would like to request more full screenshots of 2D fighting games please.

Ask and you shall receive. Didn't see this with my last post. Heres two more I have for my Saturn. Again on my Olympus OEV 143 through RGB.

Vampire Savior




















The King of Fighters 95










Sorry I'm a bit of a Morrigan and Darkstalkers fan.

I've get plenty more games if anyone has any interesting requests. That's about it for my Saturn stuff right now. I do have a bunch of Genesis stuff if anyone is after anything specific. I may take a few SNES shots too.
jbueno
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(10-30-2014, 08:49 AM)
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Some other shots I had on my HDD. Promise Ill take more soon.

Mega Man ?. NES via Wii VC, component. This one transcends scanlines, look into the pixels.


Super Metroid. SNES, S-Video.



Street Fighter II Turbo. SNES, S-video.


Fatal Fury Special. NeoGeo via Wii VC, Component.



Samurai Shodown II. NeoGeo via Wii VC, Component.


King of Fighters 98. NeoGeo via Wii VC, Component.




The Last Blade 2. NeoGeo via Wii VC, Component.


Castlevania SOTN. PS1, S-Video.


Garou Mark of the Wolves. PS2, Component, 240p patch applied.


Log4Girlz
(10-30-2014, 09:06 AM)
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Ahh, scan lines. The thread used to weave the fabric of nostalgia.
Peagles
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(10-30-2014, 09:08 AM)
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Some of my favs, I'll wrap them in quotes so click to enlarge.

All snaps taken on a (pretty crap sorry) camera off screen via RGB on a Sony PVM 14L2.

Nintendo 64 - Super Mario 64


Sega Mega Drive - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Hyperstone Heist


Super Nintendo Entertainment System - The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past


Sega Saturn - Guardian Heroes


Nintendo Entertainment System - Super Mario Bros.


Sega Mega Drive - Eat up Martha

Gameboy Advance via Gamecube Gameboy Player - 240p forced with Swiss

Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow

The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap

Final Fantasy Tactics Advance

Pokemon Crystal

Metal Slug Advance

WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Microgames!

Rhaknar
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(10-30-2014, 09:08 AM)
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does the genesis emulator on the sega collection on steam have a scanline option? im not home to check

I miss scanlines :(
XanaviF30
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(10-30-2014, 09:11 AM)
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Originally Posted by patrickthehedgehog

Your wish is my command!



Top two are from Art of Fighting 2 and the others are from KOF 98 both running on an Omega CMVS through an xrbg and on a panny plasma.


Ah, just what I needed. Thank you sir.

Originally Posted by dodgeme

Ask and you shall receive. Didn't see this with my last post. Heres two more I have for my Saturn. Again on my Olympus OEV 143 through RGB.



I've get plenty more games if anyone has any interesting requests. That's about it for my Saturn stuff right now. I do have a bunch of Genesis stuff if anyone is after anything specific. I may take a few SNES shots too.

Holy crap! I love the Darkstalkers series. Thank you for delivering!
dark10x
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(10-30-2014, 09:13 AM)
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Originally Posted by Yes Boss!

Nah, nothing with the M2 work...they don't have any scanline options. If anything as you shift through the range of 3D you start getting some abberations. NES games look just as good (as long as you go one-to-one pixel). I just happened to be playing FZII tonight. It is the smaller N3DS...a nice return to form and smaller screen they started with the 2DS. Smaller 3DS systems have better image than the larger models, I've always felt. OG model is tops. I love the low-res screen on the 3DS, way more preferable to something like the Vita

I would love the lower resolution if the system were focused primarily on 2D games but, for 3D, it's too low.

I prefer the DSi XL in that sense as there are more 2D games on the platform that just look amazing on that thing. Of course, it wasn't even a full 240p so conversions and emulation wouldn't work well but for native DS games it was great.
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(10-30-2014, 09:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by Peltz











Sonic 2 on a Genesis Model 1 with RGB out to my 14" Panasonic Studio RGB Monitor. I got in pretty close in on that last picture :-)

Six Glorious Pictures! 0_o
baphomet
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(10-30-2014, 09:51 AM)
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This is just a few quick ones from my PGM arcade board into an XRGB Mini. Also took some offscreen with my camera, but realized i don't feel like converting raw images to upload to imgur.

For now just a few.

Demon Front

DoDonPachi II Bee Storm

Grind Stormer

Mory Dunz
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(10-30-2014, 09:56 AM)
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Hi, I'm 12 and what is this?


jk. cool pics
Peltz
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(10-30-2014, 02:09 PM)
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More:










Super Smash Bros. Melee, 480p Component out GCN to D-Terminal Framemeister, 720p mode with forced scanlines on a 42" 1080p Panasonic Plasma.

I don't care if 480p images aren't "supposed" to have scanlines. They make games look amazing when upscaled because the jags go away. (Come at me GAF). I really wish I had a capture card because these off-screen iphone shots just don't do it justice:









F-Zero GX on same setup as SSBM (above).[/QUOTE]

Dolphin, eat your heart out.
Phat Michael
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(10-30-2014, 02:11 PM)
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illl take some shots later of my supergun with Cave PCB's. This thread is the tits.
gelf
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(10-30-2014, 02:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by Rhaknar

does the genesis emulator on the sega collection on steam have a scanline option? im not home to check

I miss scanlines :(

I don't think it did last I checked. Just do what I did, buy the games on Steam and then just download the roms and play them on an emulator that lets you do what you want. I know legally it doesn't work like that but in my view Sega still got my money and I got to play them how I want without the guilt of feeling like a filthy pirate.
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(10-30-2014, 02:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by dark10x

I would love the lower resolution if the system were focused primarily on 2D games but, for 3D, it's too low.

I prefer the DSi XL in that sense as there are more 2D games on the platform that just look amazing on that thing. Of course, it wasn't even a full 240p so conversions and emulation wouldn't work well but for native DS games it was great.

I'm with you on this. General consensus is that the DSi XL is the single best oversall DS system. Probably my favorite as well.

That said, I've got many 3DS systems ans tend to use different systems for different things. One of my 2DS systems is solely a Sega 3D Classics machine, only in 2D. My daily 3DS XL is the one with all my content...2D and 3D. I like to try to set up different systems with different setups...an RGB PCE on the framemeister but also another on a PVM.
Tain
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(10-30-2014, 03:58 PM)
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I love this thread.

Originally Posted by pswii60

This thread contains the magic that every new indie pixel art game is missing.

Scanlines play a role in that, but talent/cash play a bigger one.
mdzapeer
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(10-30-2014, 04:54 PM)
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This is 2D art done right, scanlines make a huge difference.

Legendary thread.
hydragonwarrior
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(10-30-2014, 04:57 PM)

Originally Posted by Alo81

That Super Metroid on a real CRT is damned beautiful.

Yea - anything pre-PS3/XBox looked great on CRT. I always find it's a crime to play them on an emulator because of the resolution differences on a PC.
opticalmace
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(10-30-2014, 05:00 PM)
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Emulators can make fake scanlines right?

Is anyone able to show an image with and without scanlines? I'm not sure I understand the appeal of them apart from nostalgia.
KDash31987
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(10-30-2014, 05:04 PM)
I was actually wondering recently why there wasn't a screenshot thread for older stuff...I guess this will do! Subscribed! I'll try and post some stuff later.
zephervack
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(10-30-2014, 05:08 PM)
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Great thread, long time coming.

Can someone post more pics of the retroarch GameBoy DMG filter, it looks exactly how I remember playing those games under good light.
Gyrian
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(10-30-2014, 05:12 PM)
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I posted these yesterday as a celebration of the Mega Drive's 26th anniversary. ^_^
RBG cables to a Framemeister to a Sony Bravia XBR2. Set to 720p for the juiciest scanlines.




Peltz
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(10-30-2014, 05:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by opticalmace

Emulators can make fake scanlines right?

Is anyone able to show an image with and without scanlines? I'm not sure I understand the appeal of them apart from nostalgia.

It makes the pixels/polygons look less blocky and pixelated on the edges. Diagonal lines of old school games weren't designed to look like blocky "staircases". But without scanlines, that's what they look like.

Properly applied scanlines are intended to fill in the gaps between rows of pixels to "complete" the image of 240p games. Notice how the shiny spot and soft shadowing on the blue ball in the very top row of comparison shots below looks a whole lot more natural on the right picture, and a whole lot blockier/ugly in the left picture. The lack of scanlines ruins the artwork in my opinion. And many others share this opinion.






These are from Fudoh's website. They are not from emulators, but rather PGM and NeoGeo MVS Games on the Framemeister.


These are Playstation Games on the Framemeister.



Super Famicom, Mega Drive & PC Engine Games on the Framemeister

Again, all of these are from Fudoh's website, and they help illustrate how much magic is missing when the scanlines aren't there.

http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/

P.S. The biggest difference that scanlines make are on games with prerendered backgrounds like DKC on SNES and Squaresoft RPGs on PS1. Ever notice that they look like garbage on modern HD displays? Scanlines are essential to get the proper intended effect of those images.
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(10-30-2014, 05:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by robot

Dat Real Bout - lookin good!

Wall of screens comin' atcha! Will dig up more pics from my Instagram and contribute later!

Console games on original hardware via Framemeister
In order: Batman (MD), Pulseman (MD), Thunder Force 3 (MD), Streets of Rage 2 (MD), Thunderforce 3 (MD)



Original Arcade PCBs running on a New Astro City
SFA 3 (CPS2), MSHvsSF (CPS2), MvC (CPS2), Strider 2 (ZN2), SF: EX+A (ZN2), G.I Joe (Konami PCB)

Oh shit, thank you for reminding me of Thunderforce III. I remember I used to play it as a little kid on my uncle's Genesis but couldn't remember the name. I even recall looking at Thunderforce IV pics and going "nope, thats not the one". But the ending pictures sparked my memory. Thanks!
Moor-Angol
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(10-30-2014, 05:25 PM)
All screenshots taken from Saturn + original RGB cable + Framemeister mini + LG 27" IPS


Super Tempo




Real Bout Fatal Fury




Lunar Silver Star Story
KDash31987
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(10-30-2014, 05:29 PM)
Here's the PlayStation version of Rayman running on a PlayStation 2 with component cables on an RCA TruFlat CRT (not sure what the model number is, it was ripped off):

Some alternate takes here: http://kdash31987.minus.com/i/YDpp0QF2NO1A

If you plan to try and take some shots of this, here's a tip: When the game is paused, holding R1 and R2 will remove the pause screen text.
Shiina
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(10-30-2014, 05:31 PM)
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Does this count? From Bravely Default

(open for scanlines)
Peltz
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(10-30-2014, 05:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by Shiina

Does this count? From Bravely Default



(open for scanlines)

100% yes, this counts.
OnionPowder
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(10-30-2014, 05:37 PM)
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This is the most beautiful thread on GAF
Vespa
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(10-30-2014, 05:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by Shiina

Does this count? From Bravely Default



(open for scanlines)

Which model of 3ds was this taken on?

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