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(08-05-2012, 08:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by Schobeleth

When was this screen cap taken? I'm pretty sure they NEVER had SSB tags on their own videos. Had to double check the video myself, no SSB tags to be seen.

They did. There was a thread live on GAF as all of this was going on. After a shit ton of people complained they got rid of them.
benny_a
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(08-05-2012, 08:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by PaineReign

The framework is the same. Its like how Shadow Complex is a rip off of Super Metroid. Yeah it has the same progression and same framework, but it has different powerups and a different setting, enough to make it distinct.

I think it comes down to semantics.

You call Shadow Complex a rip-off of Super Metroid. I would merely say it's inspired.
I would say the same of Garshasp and God of War.

What I call a rip-off is The Ville or Dream Heights.

It's the same way people don't say Doom-clones or Street Fighter-clones any more. Surface comparisons are just bad in general.
Y2Kev
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(08-05-2012, 08:16 PM)
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I have to be honest, I can't believe people are even really paying attention to the game. It just feels like a joke game. I am head asplode.
Pikma
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(08-05-2012, 08:17 PM)
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Lol when I read that on Twitter, I knew someone would come out ans make a thread of it.
xKilltheMx
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(08-05-2012, 08:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kusagari

Look at Cole's super and tell me it isn't Superbot completely and utterly ripping off Snake's FS.

But let me guess, it's a coincidence?

I mean come on guys, there's only so many different ideas you can do for a game like this.
Yes it's inspired by SSB (Superbot even said it themselves!!!) but to judge it based on supers when each character has 3 distinct ones - the ideas can run a little short.

The game plays differently, and if you go into it with a SSB mindset you will get your ass kicked. Handily. I'm a big SSB player since N64 and this plays differently. It's more like those TMNT smash inspired games but A LOT better.
Nibel
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(08-05-2012, 08:17 PM)
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Nobody talks about the game being fun or not being fun; maybe it's the GOTY? I don't know, I haven't played it.

But you must live in denial if you really think that it isn't a ripoff.
antonz
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(08-05-2012, 08:17 PM)
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The PSABR team have multiple wiiand Smash Bros setup to play in the office. I dont think they will challenge anyone on the degree they are blatantly copying.

I still stand by the fact its a poor idea because they just dont have the roster for the style of game and are going to be forced to bloat it up with multiplatform game characters that sell better on other systems.
Danielsan
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(08-05-2012, 08:17 PM)
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He's not entirely wrong. Still, this is how genres are born.
Boss Doggie
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(08-05-2012, 08:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by corporate cheerleader

Samus's Final Smash is a ripoff of Ryu's Shinku Hadoken from the vs. series. Coincidence?

Actually the concept of a wave cannon sourced from a gun predates Ryu, and of course there's Kamehameha :P

Originally Posted by xKilltheMx

I mean come on guys, there's only so many different ideas you can do for a game like this.
Yes it's inspired by SSB (Superbot even said it themselves!!!) but to judge it based on supers when each character has 3 distinct ones - the ideas can run a little short.

The game plays differently, and if you go into it with a SSB mindset you will get your ass kicked. Handily. I'm a big SSB player since N64 and this plays differently. It's more like those TMNT smash inspired games but A LOT better.

The "uniqueness" of getting points still bothers me though. Compare to say, Dream TV, where keeping yourself alive by collecting hearts stolen from enemies feels much more active while at the same time not relying on "supers".
Kizer
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(08-05-2012, 08:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by Spieler Eins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vToX4dJ-oTQ lol

Iwata also called out Smartglass a month ago in his investor meeting iirc.

oh. well, whoops.
MightyHedgehog
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(08-05-2012, 08:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by Pranay_

1 - It's not. People are playing the beta.
2 - Kind of insulting to the developer making the game. Being inspired and a rip off is completely different.

Okay, so because it diverges here and there it isn't or wasn't the product of looking at SSB now? What? It's a god damned [insert word of choice here]. I'm not saying Sony shouldn't do it or be kept from doing so, unless compelled by the court, but let's be fucking honest already.
SniperHunter
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(08-05-2012, 08:18 PM)

Originally Posted by Y2Kev

I have to be honest, I can't believe people are even really paying attention to the game. It just feels like a joke game. I am head asplode.

Yea, did you play that Little Big Planet cart game (i was in the beta)? Damn it is so awful, shitty frame rate, crap driving mechanics....sometimes I wonder what Yoshida and Sony are doing.
Hot Coldman
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(08-05-2012, 08:18 PM)
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Eh, got beaten to my point
Meatvillain
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(08-05-2012, 08:18 PM)
Can't say I particularly care about this. Understandable if he doesn't like clones, though it's kind of par for the course for the industry, and so long as the clone is good I don't personally mind. Hope this doesn't turn into some sort of weird Internet controversy, because that would be really stupid.
Loudninja
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(08-05-2012, 08:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by Y2Kev

I have to be honest, I can't believe people are even really paying attention to the game. It just feels like a joke game. I am head asplode.

You should try it,its quite awesome.
GCX
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(08-05-2012, 08:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by walking fiend

Strange thing is Nintendo doesn't do stuff like this themselves, I haven't seen them directly attacking a competitor

You just weren't around when Yamauchi was the president.
corporate cheerleader
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(08-05-2012, 08:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ookami-kun

Actually the concept of a wave cannon sourced from a gun predates Ryu, and of course there's Kamehameha :P

Well there ya go, everyone's ripping off Toriyama. As a DBZ fan, that's disgusting. He should sue.
Meelow
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(08-05-2012, 08:20 PM)
Are people really getting annoyed?, it's a rip off, it doesn't make it a bad game though.
Spieler Eins
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(08-05-2012, 08:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by antonz

I still stand by the fact its a poor idea because they just dont have the roster for the style of game and are going to be forced to bloat it up with multiplatform game characters that sell better on other systems.

Smash also has a pretty random roster, but at least they mostly just don't copy the characters 1:1 but also give them a certain style that fits for everyone of them as a whole. Jump Stars did the same. This looks as awkward as many probably have imagined a Sony Smash, seems like not too much thought was put behind it as of now.
Boss Doggie
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(08-05-2012, 08:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by corporate cheerleader

Well there ya go, everyone's ripping off Toriyama. As a DBZ fan, that's disgusting. He should sue.

Eww DBZ fan. Go be a DB fan. :P

Originally Posted by Spieler Eins

Smash also has a pretty random roster, but at least they mostly just don't copy the characters 1:1 but also give them a certain style that fits for everyone of them as a whole. Jump Stars did the same. This looks as awkward as many probably have imagined a Sony Smash, seems like not too much thought was put behind it as of now.

Ahh right, forgot about Jump SS. That's another good 2d arena fighter.

All this thread just makes me angry that Japan doesn't bring the genre overseas.
corporate cheerleader
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(08-05-2012, 08:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by Green Scar

Shinku Hadoken is a rip-off of the Kamehameha or whatever OH SHIT FALLING DOWN RABBIT HOLE COMPRISED OF DAFT AND SILLY

"giant laser beam" isn't exactly as obtuse a concept as "I'mma jump in front of the stage and fire death", is it?

I guess so. :/
Zia
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(08-05-2012, 08:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by SniperHunter

Yea, did you play that Little Big Planet cart game (i was in the beta)? Damn it is so awful, shitty frame rate, crap driving mechanics....sometimes I wonder what Yoshida and Sony are doing.

In this game's defense, its beta is not nearly as bad as that one. Was an unbelievably un-fun mess.
DeaconKnowledge
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(08-05-2012, 08:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by MightyHedgehog

Okay, so because it diverges here and there it isn't or wasn't the product of looking at SSB now? What? It's a god damned [insert word of choice here]. I'm not saying Sony shouldn't do it or be kept from doing so, unless compelled by the court, but let's be fucking honest already.

Don't bother. He's in deep.
ShockingAlberto
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(08-05-2012, 08:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by corporate cheerleader

Well there ya go, everyone's ripping off Toriyama. As a DBZ fan, that's disgusting. He should sue.

Everyone ripping off Toriyama actually is a big problem in manga today!

I really like this one new manga called Sensei no Bulge (english name is Barrage), but one of the biggest complaints about it is that it's like a mix of Gurren Lagann/Dragonball and that's turning people off.
jrDev
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(08-05-2012, 08:22 PM)
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Lol Kamiya is awesome!

Originally Posted by Pranay_

Have you even played the game ?

People are playing the game and loving it.



play the game and then tell

Hmm, I need to get a demo to find out if it's better than smash...
Canis lupus
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(08-05-2012, 08:22 PM)
Every shooter is a ripoff of the first shooter while we're at it.
toadster101
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(08-05-2012, 08:23 PM)

Originally Posted by Spieler Eins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vToX4dJ-oTQ lol

Iwata also called out Smartglass a month ago in his investor meeting iirc.

>1080p graphics

This man...
Yuterald
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(08-05-2012, 08:23 PM)
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I don't like that game either, Kamiya.
Spieler Eins
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(08-05-2012, 08:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by TurkishEmperor

Every shooter is a ripoff of the first shooter while we're at it.

It's the reason I don't play this genre atm.
Boss Doggie
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(08-05-2012, 08:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by ShockingAlberto

Everyone ripping off Toriyama actually is a big problem in manga today!

I really like this one new manga called Sensei no Bulge (english name is Barrage), but one of the biggest complaints about it is that it's like a mix of Gurren Lagann/Dragonball and that's turning people off.

Well no wonder, it has Gurren shit in it.

Originally Posted by jrDev

Lol Kamiya is awesome!
Hmm, I need to get a demo to find out if it's better than smash...

Makes you wonder how people are playing it (i.e. not testing it) to say they love it even though it's not released.
xKilltheMx
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(08-05-2012, 08:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ookami-kun

Actually the concept of a wave cannon sourced from a gun predates Ryu, and of course there's Kamehameha :P



The "uniqueness" of getting points still bothers me though. Compare to say, Dream TV, where keeping yourself alive by collecting hearts stolen from enemies feels much more active while at the same time not relying on "supers".

I was iffy about the supers only at first up until I played the game. Then it all clicked. Waiting for that sweet sweet moment to knock out as many people as possible with the lowest super you have - it's beautiful. That grind to LVL 3 where you become the death bringer is nothing I've experienced in SSB. Really, it's fun. If you go ahead and look/play it and TRY, TRYYYY not to compare it to SSB it's awesome as hell.
V_Ben
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(08-05-2012, 08:24 PM)
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It's a bloody good time when you're playing it, but I'd be lying if I said it wasn't distinctly inspired by smash brothers. But then again, I think that competition is encouraging. I mean, imagine Smash Brothers with a competent online mode. All Stars' Online is already great at this beta stage. So, it's a game done with knowledge of the only other successful entry in the genre, and it's clearly done by people who, within aggravating legal standings, have clearly got some kind of reverence to PlayStation's history. To call it a rip-off is to lump it in with products by companies like Gameloft, and its clearly better than that.
CorrisD
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(08-05-2012, 08:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ookami-kun

In a random yet morbid hilarity, wasn't a Wii connected to a PC found during one of the development pics?

Connected to a Monitor, if they didn't play the SSB games when making a game heavily inspired by the series I would be worried.

Developers play games themselves, they also play other games in the same genre they are making to see how they could improve their own, and it would be foolish to ignore all the mechanic development that other games have already gone through when making your own.

Do people think that Naughty Dog didn't play and completly ignored Gears before Uncharted came out, or that Turn 10 had never looked at or played a Gran Turismo or something?
denshuu
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(08-05-2012, 08:24 PM)
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I honestly don't even mind if it's a ripoff. Sega All-Stars Racing is a blatant ripoff of Mario Kart. It's also the best kart racer since CTR, so it doesn't really bother me. No need to pretend it isn't a ripoff though.
Mista Koo
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(08-05-2012, 08:24 PM)
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Regardless whether he made the original or not, technically Bayonetta is a rip-off of Capcom's DMC series.
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(08-05-2012, 08:25 PM)
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Perhaps he means that developers should make the games they want to make and not appease fans with games which are conceived as X ripoff of another game. Definitely food for thought.
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(08-05-2012, 08:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by Plywood

Perhaps he means that developers should make the games they want to make and not appease fans with games which are conceived as X ripoff of another game. Definitely food for thought.

If they wanted to appease many fans, there would have been a ring out system in the game. Then again, people would hate on the game even more.

Originally Posted by ShockingAlberto

Everyone ripping off Toriyama actually is a big problem in manga today!

I really like this one new manga called Sensei no Bulge (english name is Barrage), but one of the biggest complains about it is that it's like a mix of Gurren Lagann/Dragonball and that's turning people off.

It's hard to stay original these days, I guess. :| I feel that way when I hear covers in music and they change it in such a way that the essence of the original track is lost in the process. It was a while ago (2001 I think), but Alien Ant Farm covering Smooth Criminal was one of those examples.
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(08-05-2012, 08:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ookami-kun

Well no wonder, it has Gurren shit in it.



Makes you wonder how people are playing it (i.e. not testing it) to say they love it even though it's not released.

A beta is going on right now.
ShockingAlberto
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(08-05-2012, 08:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by TurkishEmperor

Every shooter is a ripoff of the first shooter while we're at it.

This is one of the interesting differences between Japanese and Western development. Cribbing influence in western games isn't seen as a bad thing - you take what's big, you improve on it, and you hopefully become the new standard-bearer. In Japan, they inefficiently try to reinvent the wheel each time and it costs both creativity and polish time during development.

The rise of UE3 in the west can be considered a direct reason for this, too.
Rorschach
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(08-05-2012, 08:26 PM)
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Game seems boring to me. All hitting people does is build meter. It doesn't hurt the other players unless you use a super. It's lots of aimless mashing from the gameplay videos I've seen.
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(08-05-2012, 08:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ookami-kun

Well no wonder, it has Gurren shit in it.



Makes you wonder how people are playing it (i.e. not testing it) to say they love it even though it's not released.

Please head over to the beta thread then :) Its a limited beta however.

People have been playing for a week or so and discussion every gameplay element/moves of the available characters and also have described how good and different the game is.
SniperHunter
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(08-05-2012, 08:27 PM)

Originally Posted by Zia

In this game's defense, its beta is not nearly as bad as that one. Was an unbelievably un-fun mess.

This Sony battle game looks like a nice game for younger kids....I just wanted to see some Ape Escape action.
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Originally Posted by toadster101

When was this screencap taken?* If you look at any video on the Playstation channel they always have a ton of superfluous tags (e.g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdm2n_w9BzI ) so this was either a photoshop or some guy who uploaded it trying to be funny. And in that case I'm not sure what it's supposed to prove.

*I should have known to look at the date in the corner.
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Originally Posted by Nibel

Nobody talks about the game being fun or not being fun; maybe it's the GOTY? I don't know, I haven't played it.

But you must live in denial if you really think that it isn't a ripoff.

Basicly this.

It's like you are not allowed to enjoy games that are rip-offs or something.
PorygonVandal
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(08-05-2012, 08:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by electroshockwave

When was this screencap taken? If you look at any video on the Playstation channel they always have a ton of superfluous tags (e.g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdm2n_w9BzI ) so this was either a photoshop or some guy who uploaded it trying to be funny. And in that case I'm not sure what it's supposed to prove.

That was on the video for about an hour, then they changed the tags

It's 100% legit.
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(08-05-2012, 08:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by electroshockwave

When was this screencap taken? If you look at any video on the Playstation channel they always have a ton of superfluous tags (e.g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdm2n_w9BzI ) so this was either a photoshop or some guy who uploaded it trying to be funny. And in that case I'm not sure what it's supposed to prove.

Read previous replies, it's real. Seen it myself. Removed it shortly after it was uploaded.
ASIS
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It is a rip off, but not a shameless one. So I don't see anything wrong with it. In all honesty I think PSAS looks quite good.
Gorillaz
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(08-05-2012, 08:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Rorschach

Game seems boring to me. All hitting people does is build meter. It doesn't hurt the other players unless you use a super. It's lots of aimless mashing from the gameplay videos I've seen.

The vids don't give it justice. It's actually pretty fun and hectic.
Tain
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(08-05-2012, 08:29 PM)
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Smash Bros is a fairly unique game. I don't think that making a "ripoff" and trying to improve on it is a bad thing in the slightest.
Instro
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Well he is friends with Sakurai too.

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