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BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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(08-05-2012, 11:07 PM)
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I knew someone over at platinum hated Sony. Its the only reason why I can think of to explain why baynoetta on ps3 is the most shit port I've ever seen in my life. (it was absolutely ridiculous)

This guy is probably mad that they are using new Dante in PlayStation all-stars in stead of the old one.
timetokill
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(08-05-2012, 11:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by Fancy Corndog

So are we pretending like Bayonetta wasn't inspired by Devil May Cry

Oh, these will NEVER get old :lol


Originally Posted by blitzcloud

Revengeance looking like flashy flashy.

cool, the game that Kamiya isn't working on
PhoReal
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(08-05-2012, 11:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by blitzcloud

Revengeance looking like flashy flashy. Getting a femme fatale of nice curves for bayonetta.

If we were to judge his games from what they look like, I'd assume that it's all flash and no substance.

Not Kamiya...
Lindsay
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(08-05-2012, 11:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by Acquiescence

Big Daddy - Most well-recognized icon from a multi-million selling franchise.
Cole - Protagonist of a multi-million selling franchise.
Radec - Villain of the best-selling installment of a multi-million selling franchise.
Fat Princess - Star of the PSN hit of the same name.
Toro - Japanese mascot of the Playstation brand. VERY well known over there.

Needless to say, lots of people out there have heard of these characters.

Lotsa people may have but I never did! I know thats not the same as not one single person ever not knowing about 'em but still. The more ya know! Except I still kinda don't know cause ya just said "franchise" for each instead of listing the game names!
TheBioLover
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(08-05-2012, 11:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by timetokill

Oh, these will NEVER get old :lol

It's probably sarcasm/trolling. They know it gets you riled up so they keep doing it, lol.
Glorified G
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(08-05-2012, 11:08 PM)
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If your not enjoying this thread, there is something wrong with you.
Risette
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(08-05-2012, 11:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by 9thwonder

I knew someone over at platinum hated Sony. Its the only reason why I can think of to explain why baynoetta on ps3 is the most shit port I've ever seen in my life. (it was absolutely ridiculous)

This guy is probably mad that they are using new Dante in PlayStation all-stars in stead of the old one.

But Platinum didn't even do the PS3 port
JohnnySasaki86
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(08-05-2012, 11:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by Fancy Corndog

So are we pretending like Bayonetta wasn't inspired by Devil May Cry and Okami wasn't inspired by Zelda now?

his response to the Bayonetta DMC comparison was that he made DMC1.
blitzcloud
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(08-05-2012, 11:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by PhoReal

Not Kamiya...

Oh true, sorry.
Boss Doggie
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(08-05-2012, 11:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by ColdBlooder

Well, funny reactons.

Nintendo fans are the most rabid fanboys eh? This thread tells a different story.

Gotta love Kamyia lol

Smash 4 vs PSABR comparisons will be interesting once Smash 4 gets unveiled.

Fanboys are generally like that. You should see Apple GAF :P

Originally Posted by Glorified G

In general, most people who tried the beta probably already made up their mind that they're going to buy it anyway.

This.

Originally Posted by FrostuTheNinja

I wonder what Kamiya thought of Dreammix TV...

He'd probably say it's crap (and it is, but what an awesome crap it is)

I mean, thats the only game where you can fight Optimus Prime with Snake and Bomberman.

Originally Posted by I-hate-u

Who gives a monkey's butt whether PABR is a rip-off or not? Go look at the beta thread and u'll see many positive impressions. And from a fighting game perspective, that game is completely different than Smash. Sony might do good to the FGC more than Nintendo would.

I was surprised it took 7 pages for the "FGC" comment to pop out.
KillerTravis
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(08-05-2012, 11:09 PM)

Originally Posted by blitzcloud

Revengeance looking like flashy flashy. Getting a femme fatale of nice curves for bayonetta.

If we were to judge his games from what they look like, I'd assume that it's all flash and no substance.

I think he is not even involved with MGR, and have you played Bayonetta?
Acrylic7
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(08-05-2012, 11:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by Lindsay

Thread is amazing.

If Okami was a Zelda game (especially a 3D Zelda game) I'd of hated it!


I dunno any of the follow characters! Who are what the heck are:

Big Daddy
Cole MacGrath
Colonel Radec
Fat Princess
Toro

Assuming I didn't find the full roster, but from the list I quickly looked up these characters are all ?'s to me! And Nathan Drake I only know through the endless amount of Uncharted threads posted on GAF with his name on 'em (and I think I played the original UC demo loooong ago, very unmemorable). Also PS3 is my only console this generation... so idk, maybe these no-names are from ancient one-off PS1 games?

/:(
Schobeleth
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(08-05-2012, 11:09 PM)
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I'll reiterate that I have immense respect for Kamiya, I met him and he's a truly amazing guy.

I just don't understand people calling it a rip off. It it was a rip off, it would be a piece by piece copy of SSB, mechanically and aesthetically. It isn't. It plays differently enough to where it feels like its own game. Mechanically the characters play very differently from one another and their attacks just feel better, mechanically, than the ones in SSB.

A problem I had with SSB was that typically I felt like combos felt improvised, the combos in All-Stars actually feel rewarding, that they can be switched around and improved on more. This leads to my second gripe with SSB - everything was too situational and focused on guiding your opponents to the edge and ringing them out. All-Stars is the opposite of that.

Sure it's inspired from SSB as it is a 2.5D mascot brawler, but it definitely does play and feel different. Superbot hasn't tried to deny that All-Stars is inspired by SSB, but I just really dislike the whole "it's a rip off" mentality. It's fun, it has unique things about it, so who cares. People need to stop hating just because it has a chance to be a direct competitor to SSB. I understand a lot of this is because of people denying that it's inspired by SSB, but there's also a lot of people saying it's a rip off, and I think that's not the case at all.

I used to be completely against Dante's Inferno and Darkstalkers purely on principle, but those are pretty fun games in their own right after I played them. They borrow heavily from the source material but they're unique, fun experiences. The same thing can be said of the Castlevania reboot, originally I hated it but it's a really fun, awesome game.

Anyway, that's my final two cents. I've played the beta a lot and I love the game. I'm a veteran of SSB and I love that franchise, All-Stars being a reality is exciting as both a Nintendo and a Sony fan. I hope that it pushes the SSB team to make the next one a true successor to Melee (yeah I'm one of those guys). In the meantime, I'm going to keep playing the beta as I excitedly wait for the full release! Cheers :)
Ploid 3.0
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(08-05-2012, 11:10 PM)
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What's up my gaf homeboys!! Interesting twitters, that said I'll meet you guys on the battle arenas this fall. Bring your A Game!
Neat Machine
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(08-05-2012, 11:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by JohnnySasaki86

his response to the Bayonetta DMC comparison was that he made DMC1.

So? Why make the same game twice and then cry about originality.
Chacranajxy
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(08-05-2012, 11:10 PM)
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Can't say I disagree with him... and considering the games he's worked on, he can say whatever the hell he wants, as far as I'm concerned.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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(08-05-2012, 11:11 PM)
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Is he still on? I was going to tweet him that picture of new Dante sticking up his middle finger
Risette
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(08-05-2012, 11:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Fancy Corndog

So? Why make the same game twice and then cry about originality.

It's not the same game, it's an evolution of the formula that he created.

Use your brain. (alternatively you can actually play the games in question)
BeautifulMemory
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(08-05-2012, 11:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by 9thwonder

Is he still on? I was going to tweet him that picture of new Dante sticking up his middle finger

He went to sleep
staticneuron
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(08-05-2012, 11:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by The_Hitcher89

At the end of the day for me, its a conceptual rip-off of a game that is one-of-a-kind, and doesn't have many willing competitors with a rostor to make it worth copying. But they seem to have done more than just copy it. They've taken the simple framework and put their own spin on it from the first floor up judging from the changes and impressions, and its basically ignorance to not even give it a chance because it has the audacity to be a 4-player mascot brawler.

It really isn't. You can Say smash bros influenced a genre but then again that would be stretching it because smash brows and power stone were released around two weeks of each others. There have been many other arena fighters since. So the only thing people are really harping on is the mash up aspect of the roster. Knocking on the arena based play would just be a poorly informed opinion.

Originally Posted by Desmond

Bayonetta, Vanquish, plus a plethora of Shooters and Fighters are also conceptual rip offs.

Exactly
Neat Machine
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(08-05-2012, 11:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by pizzaroll

It's not the same game, it's an evolution of the formula that he created.

Use your brain.

But PS-All Stars is not an evolution of the mascot fighter game.

Use your meme.



Originally Posted by ShockingAlberto

Have you played either DMC1 or Bayonetta

Or, more importantly, both?

Yes, but if PS All-Stars = SSB then DMC = Bayonetta easily. I don't support either notion, personally.
ShockingAlberto
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(08-05-2012, 11:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by Fancy Corndog

So? Why make the same game twice and then cry about originality.

Have you played either DMC1 or Bayonetta

Or, more importantly, both?
blixa
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(08-05-2012, 11:13 PM)

Originally Posted by SniprHunter

I think some people here take video games a bit too seriously.

why are you trying to make it seem like taking games seriously is a bad thing?
hell, why does anyone care about anything anymore?
because every other medium is worth caring for but not games, right?
Lindsay
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(08-05-2012, 11:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by pizzaroll

It's not the same game, it's an evolution of the formula that he created.

A terrible evolution! I mean I still gotta give Bayonetta a "fair" try but from me super easy mode playthrough I hated it. Yet I love DMC super easy playthroughs -_-?
BeautifulMemory
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(08-05-2012, 11:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by Lindsay

A terrible evolution! I mean I still gotta give Bayonetta a "fair" try but from me super easy mode playthrough I hated it. Yet I love DMC super easy playthroughs -_-?

what the hell man. Playing either game on super easy "automatic" mode isn't a fair try at all. You need to play at least on hard
Acquiescence
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(08-05-2012, 11:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by Lindsay

Lotsa people may have but I never did! I know thats not the same as not one single person ever not knowing about 'em but still. The more ya know! Except I still kinda don't know cause ya just said "franchise" for each instead of listing the game names!

I used the word "franchise" to illustrate the fact that these characters aren't just from one-off games, but actually feature in multiple games and hence have been around for quite a while.

But if you really want to know!...

Big Daddy - Bioshock
Cole MacGrath - inFamous
Colonel Radec - Killzone
Hitlersaurus Christ
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(08-05-2012, 11:14 PM)
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From what I played of the game at comic con, he's not wrong. It's not a terrible game by any means but the few unique features felt tacked on and wholly unnecessary. There's a place for game clones but this just feels kinda cheap to me. It's like the Smash Bros eqivalent of store-brand cereal.
Ploid 3.0
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(08-05-2012, 11:14 PM)
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We will all forget about this nonsense when the game is out, and maybe a demo is available.

Put the fussy fussy aside and welcome the sexy sexy is what I'm trying to say.



We need to save this rage for the battles.
rvy
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(08-05-2012, 11:14 PM)
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Thread is so filled with misinformed people that it stopped being funny on page 1.
jmizzal
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(08-05-2012, 11:15 PM)
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Well the man is only speaking the truth
PhoReal
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(08-05-2012, 11:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hitlersaurus Christ

From what I played of the game at comic con, he's not wrong. It's not a terrible game by any means but the few unique features felt tacked on and wholly unnecessary. There's a place for game clones but this just feels kinda cheap to me. It's like the Smash Bros eqivalent of store-brand cereal.

haha ice cold
blitzcloud
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(08-05-2012, 11:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by KillerTravis

I think he is not even involved with MGR, and have you played Bayonetta?

That was the entire point. Judging by the looks of it. He said in twitter he has no interest on playing it. So he's judging by looks.
FrostuTheNinja
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(08-05-2012, 11:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ookami-kun

He'd probably say it's crap (and it is, but what an awesome crap it is)

I mean, thats the only game where you can fight Optimus Prime with Snake and Bomberman.

;3

Regardless, it's really fun to hear him speak out against "industry injustices" and the like. Seems like a really genuine dude.
Juan29.zapata
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(08-05-2012, 11:16 PM)
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I love when devs give their most honest opinion on other's games, but when it's a comment that criticizes a game (which is worked on the clock by dozens if not hundreds of people), then why mention it?
Retro_
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(08-05-2012, 11:16 PM)

Originally Posted by Fancy Corndog

So? Why make the same game twice and then cry about originality.

Iteration of something you were originally apart of and an idea spawned off emulating what your competitor is doing aren't really the same thing at all though

I just don't understand people calling it a rip off. It it was a rip off, it would be a piece by piece copy of SSB, mechanically and aesthetically. It isn't. It plays differently enough to where it feels like its own game. Mechanically the characters play very differently from one another and their attacks just feel better, mechanically, than the ones in SSB.

Right, but to everyone on the outside including the people that probably green lit the idea, it is for all intents and purposes "Sony Smash Bros"

Of course it's going to be different mechanically, the developers are making sure of that. But at the end of the day they've been put to work on making a Sony Smash Brothers. That's how people see it, that's how it will be sold to mass market, that's what the game is.

They're not developing their own original idea and game concept, they're getting as creative as they can be making a safe as hell Sony Mascot crossover game.
Unspeakable Evil
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(08-05-2012, 11:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by Glorified G

If your not enjoying this thread, there is something wrong with you.

Yep, Thread is better then a thought it would be.
Uno Venova
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(08-05-2012, 11:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hitlersaurus Christ

From what I played of the game at comic con, he's not wrong. It's not a terrible game by any means but the few unique features felt tacked on and wholly unnecessary. There's a place for game clones but this just feels kinda cheap to me. It's like the Smash Bros eqivalent of store-brand cereal.

Hey toasted cinnamon squares are pretty damn good.
blixa
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(08-05-2012, 11:17 PM)

Originally Posted by rvy

Thread is so filled with misinformed people that it stopped being funny on page 1.

why not contribute something to the discussion instead of trying to be witty?
7threst
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(08-05-2012, 11:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ploid 3.0

We will all forget about this nonsense when the game is out, and maybe a demo is available.

Put the fussy fussy aside and welcome the sexy sexy is what I'm trying to say.


We need to save this rage for the battles.

You are to reasonable for this thread :)
Kusagari
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(08-05-2012, 11:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by Lindsay

A terrible evolution! I mean I still gotta give Bayonetta a "fair" try but from me super easy mode playthrough I hated it. Yet I love DMC super easy playthroughs -_-?

What the fuck am I reading?
Boss Doggie
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(08-05-2012, 11:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by blitzcloud

That was the entire point. Judging by the looks of it. He said in twitter he has no interest on playing it. So he's judging by looks.

Not necessarily - the point of contest on that post was 'who made what', something which is already visible. That's not the same case on his comment on Sony All Stars.
Pennywise
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Originally Posted by Fancy Corndog

So? Why make the same game twice and then cry about originality.

Then every hack n'slay would be a ripoff....
Comeone these are totally different games and the only thing that is the same is the superior
system which actually is better then nearly every system in that genre.

Anyway go and play the game...
Ragingnight
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(08-05-2012, 11:19 PM)
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What if Sony Battle Royale is targeting competitive fighting game players and care about competitive play? I mean SSBB kind of said "hey fuck your competitive play, here is tripping". While Sony was at EVO and emphasized competitive play.

That to me says they are branching out for two different demographics
Fabrik
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(08-05-2012, 11:19 PM)

Originally Posted by upJTboogie

If it's fun why wouldn't you buy it.

Why not indeed, but why buy it when the original is already out and arguably better or identical? This game is only of interest to Playstation 3 only owners that wish they could play something like SSB but don't want to invest in a Nintendo console for just one game. And that's fine. It's still a rip-off though :p
TheBaronOfNA
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(08-05-2012, 11:19 PM)

Originally Posted by Papercuts

Okami follows a Zelda like progression, but it is not really similar beyond that. The entire artistic influence and how it's used as a gameplay element was a main draw of the game and was wholly unique.

Well, people are saying that PASBR is also not that similar to Smash, that is a unique experience and...

See?

I just don't think Kamiya has the moral high ground in this particular case. Is his opinion, but I totally disagree.
electroshockwave
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(08-05-2012, 11:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Lindsay

Lotsa people may have but I never did! I know thats not the same as not one single person ever not knowing about 'em but still. The more ya know! Except I still kinda don't know cause ya just said "franchise" for each instead of listing the game names!

Maybe you should play on something other than Nintendo consoles.
rvy
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Originally Posted by blixa

why not contribute something to the discussion instead of trying to be witty?

Yes, Kamiya is making Metal Gear Rising and I'm being witty.
zroid
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(08-05-2012, 11:20 PM)
Let it be known that, for better or worse, I was against the creation of this thread
remist
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Originally Posted by Retro_

Iteration of something you were originally apart of and an idea spawned off emulating what your competitor is doing aren't really the same thing at all though

No, its not the same but why is it a distinction I as a consumer should care about when deciding whether I think a game looks fun or not?
Risette
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(08-05-2012, 11:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by rvy

Yes, Kamiya is making Metal Gear Rising and I'm being witty.

No he isn't.

Speaking of misinformed people...

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