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You Are Viewtiful
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(08-05-2012, 10:38 PM)
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I'll agree with anything my King says.


Originally Posted by GSR

Hideki Kamiya annoyed on Twitter, tells Sony to use its own brain

wow lol 10/10
KillerTravis
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(08-05-2012, 10:38 PM)

Originally Posted by Bladenic

That last tweet he sent in the OT is so lame. Lame comeback. Wonder what he'd say if I asked him if he's just salty his games have been flops lol

What does that have to do with anything? People keep saying his games are flops as if they wanted him to create ripoffs as well. The salty are the ones that don't want to admit that what he said is only his honest opinion.
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Originally Posted by thepotatoman

Indeed. Everybody admits the inspiration came from Smash, but Zelda has spawned tons of games that obviously got inspiration from Zelda, including Okami, and yet get praised. This game gets mocked for it.

Well the resemblance to super smash brothers is glaring. Anyone can look at a screenshot of psasbr and see it's a 2d mascot fighter and make the connection that it is like ssb. No one can tell okami is similar to zelda without playing it.
Neat Machine
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Originally Posted by KillerTravis

I don't see the comparison between Zelda and Okami apart from both of them being adventure games where you progressively get skills. You just need to see a picture comparison between Smash and PSABR to know that it's a ripoff.

If you have a very simplistic idea of how video games work.

PS All-Stars was inspired by SSB in the fact that it's an accessible mascot fighting game. Pulling characters from different games requires a universal art style.

The games play very differently from one another. The biggest similarities are the fact that it's cartoony-looking and there are items. Beyond that they are not so similar.
Zia
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(08-05-2012, 10:39 PM)

Originally Posted by Crewnh

What a load.

You don't think intent counts for anything? "I'm going to create a game mechanically inspired by this other game," versus, "We're going to leverage the popularity of our corporate mascots in the same exact manner as our competitors." And, on the other hand, my hands-on time with the game has shown to me that they've done a pretty poor job of that, not understanding what makes Smash Bros so endearing, while simultaneously putting out a game that simply doesn't feel as good to play (again, to me).
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Originally Posted by thepotatoman

Indeed. Everybody admits the inspiration came from Smash, but Zelda has spawned tons of games that obviously got inspiration from Zelda, including Okami, and yet get praised. This game gets mocked for it.

Maybe because Smashbros is somewhat unique, at least in the mainstream, compared to 3rd person fantasy adventures?

Noone would care if a game "borrowed" from CoD or generic FPS #65, but if anyone made a fps-quantum-spacehole-puzzler, eyerows would be raised and everyone would call it a portal rippoff.
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Originally Posted by KillerTravis

I don't see the comparison between Zelda and Okami apart from both of them being adventure games where you progressively get skills. You just need to see a picture comparison between Smash and PSABR to know that it's a ripoff.

You really don't see the how the dungeon/overworld dynamic, the fighting system, the dishing out of new abilities, using that new ability to solve dungeon puzzles and defeat bosses, the overworld opening up as you gain new abilities, the destruction of the scenery to gain little collectables, the set up of the towns, the Navi character.

Man I don't know how you can't see the zelda influence on that game.

Oh but the artstyle is different so its ok.
CrisKre
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(08-05-2012, 10:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by MoonsaultSlayer

My definition of a rip-off is a quick cash-in on something popular. Sony could have done this years ago when smash was huge.

This game coming at the end of Sony's 3rd generation lifecycle is more of a fan and game appreciation than trying to capitalize on Nintendo's new hit. SMH

Lol, so they just do it for love and the children? No. they wanna sell.
Monty Mole
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Originally Posted by thepotatoman

You really don't see the how the dungeon/overworld dynamic, the fighting system, the dishing out of new abilities, using that new ability to solve dungeon puzzles and defeat bosses, the overworld opening up as you gain new abilities, the destruction of the scenery to gain little collectables, the set up of the towns, the Navi character.

Man I don't know how you can't see the zelda influence on that game.

Oh but the artstyle is different so its ok.

There's a difference between "influence" and "rip-off" though.

Still, All Stars was inevitable and I'm surprised it's taken this long.
Alextended
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I didn't like Okami much, I found it badly paced and boring, but I wouldn't call it a Zelda rip off, just a game heavily inspired by it. The combat in Okami has completely different mechanics to any Zelda thanks to the brush, the world (the most important part since these games are all about exploring that) art and story don't resemble Zelda at all and their main common aspect is that they're both action adventures with light puzzle solving. I don't think most puzzles had been in a Zelda game before either, though there have been so many there are probably some similarities in places. Changing the art and some mechanics in a fighting game still leaves it distinctly similar in comparison, considering sequels do the same as it's about all they can do to differ. Building an awesome huge world to explore with appropriate challenges within is kind of a whole different level of creation, to be called a rip off in that case you'd need to steal the actual world design and challenges, even if you skinned it differently (by the way, I don't think any of the so called Zelda-likes are really much like Zelda, including Darksiders which I thought is more like DMC and Beyond Good and Evil which had way too many differences to list, Zelda remains distinctly original outside its own lesser sequels). I mean, nobody called Little Big Planet a Super Mario Bros. rip off just because it's in the same genre, it clearly was nothing like it. This game doesn't get the same treatment by the same people for a reason. Perhaps after the release some of them will change mind.
Roto13
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Originally Posted by thepotatoman

You really don't see the how the dungeon/overworld dynamic, the fighting system, the dishing out of new abilities, using that new ability to solve dungeon puzzles and defeat bosses, the overworld opening up as you gain new abilities, the destruction of the scenery to gain little collectables, the set up of the towns, the Navi character.

Man I don't know how you can't see the zelda influence on that game.

Oh but the artstyle is different so its ok.

It also has grass and clouds, just like a Zelda game.
BlackJace
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(08-05-2012, 10:43 PM)
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It's a huge ripoff.
Doesn't mean it can't be fun though. I think SSB is a godlike franchise, but if Sony wants to experiment with the formula, they can. Hell, if it turns out good, I'll grab it.
thepotatoman
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Originally Posted by Aeris130

Maybe because Smashbros is somewhat unique, at least in the mainstream, compared to 3rd person fantasy adventures?

Noone would care if a game "borrowed" from CoD or generic FPS #65, but if anyone made a fps-quantum-spacehole-puzzler, eyerows would be raised and everyone would call it a portal rippoff.

Yeah, but why? At one point Gears of War, Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart, Street Fighter were all unique. What makes Smash Bros the one sacred horse?
CrisKre
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(08-05-2012, 10:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by thepotatoman

You really don't see the how the dungeon/overworld dynamic, the fighting system, the dishing out of new abilities, using that new ability to solve dungeon puzzles and defeat bosses, the overworld opening up as you gain new abilities, the destruction of the scenery to gain little collectables, the set up of the towns, the Navi character.

Man I don't know how you can't see the zelda influence on that game.

Oh but the artstyle is different so its ok.

Of course the art being vastly different helps. The physics, camera system, controls and more bring different also help it. The same can not be said for battle royale.
blixa
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(08-05-2012, 10:44 PM)
is it an original idea? no, therefore obviously a rip-off.
even though smash bros got beaten in the conept by at least one other game; it is the one who brought it into the mainstream.
sony clearly does it for the sales and because it's a good idea for a game, it's not a very wrong thing to do.. but neither is calling a rip-off.
kamiya is right, just give us something new and unique and expand that, damn it.
Bladenic
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Originally Posted by KillerTravis

What does that have to do with anything? People keep saying his games are flops as if they wanted him to create ripoffs as well. The salty are the ones that don't want to admit that what he said is only his honest opinion.

He's blasting a game and company for merely existing basically. Calling the game a ripoff is really unfair. Besides, this game is coming out in 2012. The first Smash Bros came out in what, 1999 or 2000? I cant remember, but it's not like Sony stole this concept as soon as Nintendo created their game. There's nothing wrong with borrowing ideas, especially when the creators added their own ideas and spin on it.

Basically he has no business opening his mouth. He's probably mad this game will sell more than any game he's ever created. He looks extremely unprofessional and very childish in his tweets. Like most salty game creators do usually.
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Originally Posted by thepotatoman

You really don't see the how the dungeon/overworld dynamic, the fighting system, the dishing out of new abilities, using that new ability to solve dungeon puzzles and defeat bosses, the overworld opening up as you gain new abilities, the destruction of the scenery to gain little collectables, the set up of the towns, the Navi character.

Man I don't know how you can't see the zelda influence on that game.

Oh but the artstyle is different so its ok.

By that logic Metroid is also a Zelda clone. :/
murderofMonkey
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(08-05-2012, 10:45 PM)

Originally Posted by Roto13

It also has grass and clouds, just like a Zelda game.

and no real synchronisation either


Originally Posted by I-hate-u

Who gives a monkey's butt whether PABR is a rip-off or not? Go look at the beta thread and u'll see many positive impressions. And from a fighting game perspective, that game is completely different than Smash. Sony might do good to the FGC more than Nintendo would.

i hope, that the tekken team will improve ssb/sbbm to the next level
Doctor Decimate
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Originally Posted by thepotatoman

Because he did the same thing with Okami. And you bring it to the next level when you call it "morally wrong". That goes beyond just an opinion of not caring for something.

i think it has to do with his own perception. many concepts from zelda have seeped into general game design over the years, whereas Smash Bros. remains essentially the only game in town. is he wrong when calls it 'morally wrong"? yeah, but i can see how he got there
thepotatoman
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Originally Posted by Alextended

I didn't like Okami much, I found it badly paced and boring, but I wouldn't call it a Zelda rip off, just a game heavily inspired by it. The combat in Okami has completely different mechanics to any Zelda thanks to the brush, the world (the most important part since these games are all about exploring that) art and story don't resemble Zelda at all and their main common aspect is that they're both action adventures with light puzzle solving. I don't think most puzzles had been in a Zelda game before either, though there have been so many there are probably some similarities in places. Changing the art and some mechanics in a fighting game still leaves it distinctly similar in comparison, considering sequels do the same as it's about all they can do to differ. Building an awesome huge world to explore with appropriate challenges within is kind of a whole different level of creation. I mean, nobody called Little Big Planet a Super Mario Bros. rip off just because it's in the same genre, it clearly was nothing like it.

I agree, but you can make the exact same type of distinctions about PSAS. Its because its inspired by it, not straight up copying it. I really enjoyed Okami better than any recent Zelda game, but you have to admit Okami was clearly inspired by Zelda.
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Originally Posted by toadster101

Don't forget the green and red missiles!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoMSR1qWbV8

The "Final Lap" font is the same.... D:

Originally Posted by 54-46!

Coming from a guy who ripped off Devil May Cry with Bayonetta..

Are you serious?

We only need Snake in game to test Kamiya's statment :P
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Gonna leave this here in case it wasn't posted yet:

PS All-Stars x Super Smash Bros.
Risette
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Originally Posted by Bladenic

He's blasting a game and company for merely existing basically. Calling the game a ripoff is really unfair. Besides, this game is coming out in 2012. The first Smash Bros came out in what, 1999 or 2000? I cant remember, but it's not like Sony stole this concept as soon as Nintendo created their game. There's nothing wrong with borrowing ideas, especially when the creators added their own ideas and spin on it.

Basically he has no business opening his mouth. He's probably mad this game will sell more than any game he's ever created. He looks extremely unprofessional and very childish in his tweets. Like most salty game creators do usually.

He created two of Capcom's best selling games of all time

ps you sound a bit "salty" too
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Originally Posted by Fancy Corndog

Gonna leave this here in case it wasn't posted yet:

PS All-Stars x Super Smash Bros.

Should put everything to rest.
Ragingnight
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Originally Posted by Ragingnight

Mortal Kombat is a ripoff of SF. Everybody boycott MK.

DOA/Tekken is a ripoff of VF. Buy VF5 and boycott DOA5 and Tekken Tag 2.

Support this guys! ripoff should never be made!
Fabrik
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(08-05-2012, 10:48 PM)

Originally Posted by Fancy Corndog

The games play very differently from one another. The biggest similarities are the fact that it's cartoony-looking and there are items. Beyond that they are not so similar.

There will always be people to pretend the Earth is flat.
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Originally Posted by Jezan

The "Final Lap" font is the same.... D:


Are you serious?

We only need Snake in game to test Kamiya's statment :P

Fan Content.
Lindsay
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Thread is amazing.

If Okami was a Zelda game (especially a 3D Zelda game) I'd of hated it!

Originally Posted by Acquiescence

So who in the game is a character that nobody has ever heard of then?

I dunno any of the follow characters! Who are what the heck are:

Big Daddy
Cole MacGrath
Colonel Radec
Fat Princess
Toro

Assuming I didn't find the full roster, but from the list I quickly looked up these characters are all ?'s to me! And Nathan Drake I only know through the endless amount of Uncharted threads posted on GAF with his name on 'em (and I think I played the original UC demo loooong ago, very unmemorable). Also PS3 is my only console this generation... so idk, maybe these no-names are from ancient one-off PS1 games?
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Originally Posted by thepotatoman

Yeah, but why? At one point Gears of War, Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart, Street Fighter were all unique. What makes Smash Bros the one sacred horse?

Word
thepotatoman
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Originally Posted by Ookami-kun

By that logic Metroid is also a Zelda clone. :/

Ok fine, what makes a zelda clone, because everything I discribed is what i would discribe to call Darksiders a zelda clone, and everyone seems to admit that that game is a zelda clone. Just change the brush powers with item powers and the artstyle and you totally have a zelda game.

Really I don't ever remember this being a a point of contention in other topics even when people were arguing if Twilight Princess or Okami was the better "Zelda game" back in the day.
SniperHunter
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Originally Posted by Fancy Corndog

Gonna leave this here in case it wasn't posted yet:

PS All-Stars x Super Smash Bros.

I think Superbot should list, "Special thanks to Sakurai-San from Nintendo Japan," in the credits.
Misterinenja
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Let's not play dumb here and say it's just about art style or certain gameplay mechanics. It's about console manufacturer making a wankery fighting game using their beloved mascot characters (liberal use of the word, especially when talking about Sony). After that similarities are just eerie.

And doing that is certainly something you're allowed to do. But I can see some people disagreeing with it.
JordanLMiller
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Everyone already knows its a rip-off. I'm more interested to see how it does sales-wise once it's released. I hope it bombs, but I think it will probably do alright.
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Originally Posted by JordanLMiller

Everyone already knows its a rip-off. I'm more interested to see how it does sales-wise once it's released. I hope it bombs, but I think it will probably do alright.

Another winner pops up. ^_^
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Originally Posted by Fancy Corndog

Gonna leave this here in case it wasn't posted yet:

PS All-Stars x Super Smash Bros.

Maybe I'm just tired, but it does look really similar to me.
SniperHunter
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Originally Posted by JordanLMiller

Everyone already knows its a rip-off. I'm more interested to see how it does sales-wise once it's released. I hope it bombs, but I think it will probably do alright.

Yea just so everyone working at the studio can lose their jobs. What a wonderful mind frame you have.
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Originally Posted by Ragingnight

Mortal Kombat is a ripoff of SF. Everybody boycott MK.

DOA/Tekken is a ripoff of VF. Buy VF5 and boycott DOA5 and Tekken Tag 2.

I agree, MK is terrible. I'm not the biggest SF fan but I'd suggest that over it!
Also everyone needs to buy VF5.
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Originally Posted by Lindsay

Thread is amazing.

If Okami was a Zelda game (especially a 3D Zelda game) I'd of hated it!


I dunno any of the follow characters! Who are what the heck are:

Big Daddy
Cole MacGrath
Colonel Radec
Fat Princess
Toro

Assuming I didn't find the full roster, but from the list I quickly looked up these characters are all ?'s to me! And Nathan Drake I only know through the endless amount of Uncharted threads posted on GAF with his name on 'em (and I think I played the original UC demo loooong ago, very unmemorable). Also PS3 is my only console this generation... so idk, maybe these no-names are from ancient one-off PS1 games?

Lol :P
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Originally Posted by JordanLMiller

Everyone already knows its a rip-off. I'm more interested to see how it does sales-wise once it's released. I hope it bombs, but I think it will probably do alright.

Oh boy

This is Sony's big game for the holidays, it will do fine :)
JordanLMiller
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Originally Posted by SniperHunter

Yea just so everyone working at the studio can lose their jobs. What a wonderful mind frame you have.

Maybe then they can go work on something original.
ShockingAlberto
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Originally Posted by thepotatoman

Ok fine, what makes a zelda clone

I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that.

óJustice Potter Stewart, concurring opinion in Jacobellis v. Ohio 378 U.S. 184 (1964), regarding possible obscenity in The Lovers.

Reasonable men can differ.
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Originally Posted by Lindsay

I dunno any of the follow characters! Who are what the heck are:

Big Daddy
Cole MacGrath
Colonel Radec
Fat Princess
Toro

Assuming I didn't find the full roster, but from the list I quickly looked up these characters are all ?'s to me! And Nathan Drake I only know through the endless amount of Uncharted threads posted on GAF with his name on 'em (and I think I played the original UC demo loooong ago, very unmemorable). Also PS3 is my only console this generation... so idk, maybe these no-names are from ancient one-off PS1 games?

Hm.
Red Sutter
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Originally Posted by JordanLMiller

Everyone already knows its a rip-off. I'm more interested to see how it does sales-wise once it's released. I hope it bombs, but I think it will probably do alright.

Time for this thread to be closed, methinks
Uno Venova
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Originally Posted by JordanLMiller

Everyone already knows its a rip-off. I'm more interested to see how it does sales-wise once it's released. I hope it bombs, but I think it will probably do alright.

Yo damn, this thread is hilarious.
KillerTravis
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(08-05-2012, 10:54 PM)

Originally Posted by Fancy Corndog

Gonna leave this here in case it wasn't posted yet:

PS All-Stars x Super Smash Bros.

So someone had to go to the trouble of pointing out the little differences between the games? How about showing a video pointing out the similarities?
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Originally Posted by Fancy Corndog

Gonna leave this here in case it wasn't posted yet:

PS All-Stars x Super Smash Bros.

kamiya is right.
JordanLMiller
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I don't understand what's so bad/hilarious about what I posted?
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Originally Posted by JordanLMiller

Everyone already knows its a rip-off. I'm more interested to see how it does sales-wise once it's released. I hope it bombs, but I think it will probably do alright.

lol. I love this thread.

Originally Posted by JordanLMiller

I don't understand what's so bad/hilarious about what I posted?

It's fitting to see the shills come out in full force.
Ragingnight
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Originally Posted by Theonik

I agree, MK is terrible I'm not the biggest SF fan but I'd suggest that over it.
Also everyone needs to buy VF5.

exactly. Gaf should boycott all things MK, Tekken and doa because RIPOFFS! Use your brain!

edit

King of Fighters is the biggest SF ripoff ever too. RYO? cmon.
SniperHunter
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(08-05-2012, 10:55 PM)

Originally Posted by JordanLMiller

Maybe then they can go work on something original.

I am wondering what you think of series like Dead Space, Sleeping Dogs, Saints Row, Mafia, Call of Duty, Forza, Uncharted, Gears of War etc...

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