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View Poll Results: Should TV manufacturers make a filter that adds chromatic aberration to your TV?
Yes, and on by default
115 37.58%
Yes, and not disableable
191 62.42%
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Taker666
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(10-07-2017, 01:49 AM)
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I think it really depends on what you're watching.

I think sport and nature documentaries look better with it. I also use it in wholly CGI movies....especially those in 3D.

It's at its worst in live action fantasy/scifi movies and tv shows...as a lower framerate hides a multitude of sins in costuming, set design and CGI that's mixed with live action footage.

I can understand why movie directors would hate it..as their content tends to be damaged the most by the effect.


In an ideal world, all broadcast tv would have the ability to air at 48fps/ 60fps..and the individual movie/show maker could choose what framerate they wanted to film/air their shows in.
Shaanyboi
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(10-07-2017, 01:51 AM)
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It is the fucking worst. It guarantees your movie to look like fucking dogshit.
Fuu
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(10-07-2017, 01:52 AM)
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I have a friend who always has that garbage turned on, I always have to ask her to turn it off when I visit and weíre going to watch something on her TV.
MosquitoSmasher
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(10-07-2017, 01:52 AM)
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And yet for some shows and movies I have user settings for trumotion enabled. Come at me :)
Lime
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(10-07-2017, 01:53 AM)
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I canít believe people donít notice this shitty feature whenever I visit other peopleís homes
sandpiper
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(10-07-2017, 01:53 AM)
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I have absolutely no problem with shooting film in 60fps or 120 FPS or whatever.

However...I absolutely despise motion smoothing and interpolation.

YouTube is infested with videos of clips from certain anime series for example where someone ran them through SVP to turn them into 60fps via interpolation. I don't know why so many people are doing it but it looks like complete garbage and even worse than its application to live action. In fact some of the still frames when I pause these videos is warped beyond belief because of the interpolation software.
Ridley327
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(10-07-2017, 01:55 AM)
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Originally Posted by Paragon

Filmmakers really need to drop the idea that there is something magical about the number 24.
If it was shot at 60 FPS, it could display in HFR on virtually every television ever produced. (at least in NTSC regions)
Almost nothing supports 48Hz inputs.

If they are going to pick a framerate that nothing currently supports, they should have gone with something like 120 FPS.
Push for something even higher than that and keep theaters one step ahead of consumer displays, even.

I haven't seen it for myself, but a lot of people love how well they managed to pull off the 60fps HFR for Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk on the 4K disc, as that was shot natively at 120fps HFR. I've heard only OK things at best about the film itself, but I'd love to see it just for the technical feat it managed.
tuxfool
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(10-07-2017, 01:55 AM)

Originally Posted by poppabk

Aren't most movies on TV using 3:2 pulldown or something similar?
I'd rather fake fluid that jerky panning shots.

Yeah. It is funny how people have convinced themselves that judder is acceptable.
Pokemaniac
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(10-07-2017, 02:10 AM)
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While I fully agree that Motion Interpolation is awful, the fact is that there really shouldn't even be a "need" for it. 24fps in this day and age is just awful.
ChronotriggerJM
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(10-07-2017, 02:17 AM)
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If they would record at a higher framerate, people wouldn't need it. 24fps needs to stop. 3:2 pulldown is awful.
Last edited by ChronotriggerJM; 10-07-2017 at 02:20 AM.
Babyshams
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(10-07-2017, 02:26 AM)
A Navy buddy called it demonvision. They summon the extra frames from a demon world not meant for our eyes.
HardRojo
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(10-07-2017, 02:29 AM)
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It's fucking awful! A friend had this on on her TV and I told her if she noticed any differences when I turned it off. She said "Damn now it looks like a movie and doesn't move like a soap opera".
Paragon
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(10-07-2017, 02:36 AM)
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Originally Posted by Aiustis

So what is motion smoothing? What does it look like?

Assorted clips from 3 films. (Leon, something else, and Gladiator)
Deadpool title sequence

Originally Posted by Ridley327

I haven't seen it for myself, but a lot of people love how well they managed to pull off the 60fps HFR for Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk on the 4K disc, as that was shot natively at 120fps HFR. I've heard only OK things at best about the film itself, but I'd love to see it just for the technical feat it managed.

I'd love to see it in the original 120 FPS. Still, you can do 120 > 60 without too much trouble. The main issue is that if you're shooting at high framerates, you have less motion blur than lower framerates since the shutter speed will be higher.
48 will decimate to 24 no problem, but almost nothing can currently display 48 FPS natively, since it's not a TV standard. TVs can do 60 though.
Lys Skygge
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(10-07-2017, 02:41 AM)
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People who enable motion smoothing, grain reduction, and ďzoomĒ a wide frame to fit their 16:9 tv 🤦*♂️
Doctor Shatner
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(10-07-2017, 02:58 AM)
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I encountered it for the first time recently (hadn't gotten a new TV in ages). Looks awful, hopefully their complaining leads to it being set to off by default.
Bishop89
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(10-07-2017, 03:21 AM)
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Thank God.
Its awful. I fucking hate it
PaulloDEC
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(10-07-2017, 05:59 AM)
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It's the absolute worst, and if I catch anyone with it turned on and I can get my hands on the remote, that shit is getting disabled.

I've never been in a fight, but I'm willing to die on this hill.
rjc571
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(10-07-2017, 06:09 AM)
They should film their movies with 144 fps cameras so there wouldn't be a need for motion smoothing
ZeoVGM
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(10-07-2017, 06:12 AM)
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It has been shocking to me for years that this is how retail stores like Best Buy and Walmart and Target show off their TVs. It looks so damn awful.
MetalGearZed
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(10-07-2017, 06:15 AM)
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I like motion interpolation on nature documetaries but thats it
sir_kevith
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(10-07-2017, 06:40 AM)
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Every time I goto someone's house I always try to fix their TV and everyone gets mad. I get invited somewhere and we turn the TV on and I see something this:



Saturation and brightness all the way up and motion smoothing.
Emwitus
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(10-07-2017, 07:49 AM)
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Will this make my tv 4k?
mohuerta
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(10-07-2017, 08:01 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ridley327

I haven't seen it for myself, but a lot of people love how well they managed to pull off the 60fps HFR for Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk on the 4K disc, as that was shot natively at 120fps HFR. I've heard only OK things at best about the film itself, but I'd love to see it just for the technical feat it managed.

I have it. 4K60 + HDR looks awesome. I'd like to see more movies support that.
Madness
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(10-07-2017, 08:02 AM)
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Get used to it though. People like PeterJackson want 48 HFR and while we may prefer film and how we grrw up watching it. Most kids are the youtube and twitch and live generation. When I took my younger cousins to the Hobbit HFR, he loved it. I was weirded out by how dast it moved and made CGI seem unreal. But if it becomes norm, you would see a shift. I turn it off. I calibrate to d6500k. My game mode however utilizes artifical colour especially with HDR on for better effect
Elaugaufein
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(10-07-2017, 08:02 AM)
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Originally Posted by Nepenthe

It destroys CG too, especially if it's mixed with live action. I remember it really being pushed during Iron Man 2, and the disparity between Tony and his suit was all the more obvious.

It's disgusting.

Yeah, it makes the animation in Rick & Morty look utterly surreal, especially the mouth movements.
Dead Man Typing
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(10-07-2017, 08:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by Stinkles

I turn it off everywhere I go. Theyíre doing it wrong.

I do this and then people tell me it looks worse.

This is stretched aspect ratios all over again. I don't have the energy any more to correct every TV I encounter.

I recently did it on a newer LG and that option was buried deep.
Future
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(10-07-2017, 08:10 AM)
Leaving that shit on is like leaving on 3rd party toolbars in an old web browser. Fuck dat
Einchy
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(10-07-2017, 08:19 AM)
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Originally Posted by sir_kevith

Every time I goto someone's house I always try to fix their TV and everyone gets mad. I get invited somewhere and we turn the TV on and I see something this:



Saturation and brightness all the way up and motion smoothing.

You should've came over to my house 'cus it took months for me to get my settings just right. The default settings we no where near correct.
UrbanRats
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(10-07-2017, 08:21 AM)
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Can't say it looks good, especially since it's interpolation, so not real additional data.

However i'm never convinced by this 24fps defense force bullshit.
"It looks like a soap opera" is especially bad, but to be convinced about the supposed magical quality of low framerate, we'd need to have a steady offer of 60+fps movies to get used to, and then compare.

Because as weird as high framerate looks, for example, there's no defending the choppy garbage that is a steady pan or a fly over, at 24 fps.
Watch Lord of the Rings, or whatever, and every time the camera does those epic mountain shots, the framerate becomes so obviously choppy, it's disturbing.

So yeah, i'd like to give high framerate a shot, before declaring 24fps as magical and irreplaceable.

That said, motion smoothing isn't really that, so sure, go ahead and kill it.
Skinpop
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(10-07-2017, 08:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by Madness

Get used to it though. People like PeterJackson want 48 HFR and while we may prefer film and how we grrw up watching it. Most kids are the youtube and twitch and live generation. When I took my younger cousins to the Hobbit HFR, he loved it. I was weirded out by how dast it moved and made CGI seem unreal. But if it becomes norm, you would see a shift. I turn it off. I calibrate to d6500k. My game mode however utilizes artifical colour especially with HDR on for better effect

You do realize that 48hz 60hz and beyond is not the same thing as Motion Smoothing though? I have no trouble with 60hz video but motion smoothing is the most disgusting thing ever.
daveo42
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(10-07-2017, 08:43 AM)
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I actually have to disable HDR mode on my PS4 for Netflix content cause of that shit. LG doesn't let you disable it and it make everything with HDR look like hot liquid shit.
OrangeAtlas
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(10-07-2017, 08:47 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ridley327

I haven't seen it for myself, but a lot of people love how well they managed to pull off the 60fps HFR for Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk on the 4K disc, as that was shot natively at 120fps HFR. I've heard only OK things at best about the film itself, but I'd love to see it just for the technical feat it managed.

Seeing that movie at 120 FPS in a theater was weird.

I don't care if directors are trying to make it "the future" it looked so real it looked fake. If it ain't broke...
FyreWulff
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(10-07-2017, 08:53 AM)
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Originally Posted by border

Is there a reason games don't use this to achieve at least the look of 60 FPS?

LucasArts was working on that tech a long time ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swI8fb4V2c4

Video is a re-upload, the demo is from 2010.
Lonewulfeus
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(10-07-2017, 09:00 AM)

Originally Posted by Apathy

Way too many people want to watch soap operas instead of movies and shows. Looks horrible

Omg this! I never knew how else to explain it but at least now I know what it's called. It looks so bad :(
henhowc
(10-07-2017, 09:07 AM)
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Canít the higher end tvs let you configure it so that you donít get the soap opera but still get the benefits?
Mockerre
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(10-07-2017, 09:12 AM)
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While here on GAF ppl fight for 60FPS, which is basically the same thing ;)
mrklaw
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(10-07-2017, 09:14 AM)
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Originally Posted by henhowc

Canít the higher end tvs let you configure it so that you donít get the soap opera but still get the benefits?

Some. Sony are good at having ways to set motionflow(tm) to improve motion clarity without adding soap opera effect. Itís one thing that keeps me favouring Sony TVs - donít know if others are as good these days (probably)


As for 3:2 pulldown - good TVs have been dealing with that for a while. Certainly on bluray and DVD and I think even on TV broadcasts if theyíre broadcast well at 1080i can be properly reconstructed at 24p and displayed with eg 5:5 so no judder (other than that inherent in a 24Hz output)
UrbanRats
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(10-07-2017, 09:20 AM)
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Originally Posted by Mockerre

While here on GAF ppl fight for 60FPS, which is basically the same thing ;)

No.
60fps, especially in a game, not only impacts fluidity, but responsiveness.
Motion interpolation doesn't access new data (or frames) it just guesses from previous and subsequent rames, and interpolates the inbetween.

It's very different.
ajim
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(10-07-2017, 09:22 AM)
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I don't know what this is and it's the first time I've heard of it.
Diablos
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(10-07-2017, 10:28 AM)
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Ah, the dreaded Soap Opera Effect. No idea why they include this on TV's.

It makes me dizzy and also makes everything look like shit.
It's definitely different than 60fps, as 60fps won't make me dizzy for one thing.
Last edited by Diablos; 10-07-2017 at 10:31 AM.
number11
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(10-07-2017, 10:41 AM)
Is this the same thing as motionflow? I tried turning it on and off and I really see no difference.
Menome
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(10-07-2017, 11:58 AM)
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Films - Off
Games - Off
TV Shows - On

Agree that it shouldn't be on as a default setting though.
Youth Crew
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(10-07-2017, 12:05 PM)

Originally Posted by Menome

Films - Off
Games - Off
TV Shows - On

Agree that it shouldn't be on as a default setting though.

All TV shows?

Like Lost or Breaking Bad?

Or are you talking game shows or something...
Slaythe
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(10-07-2017, 12:07 PM)
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When I was in America, I was with some friends and we watched a movie I suggested, and it looked like SHIT and fake and I felt bad for suggesting it, and I wondered why I remembered the movie to look so much better...

Then midway through I was certain the FPS were all over the place, yet we could not figure out HOW to fix / remove the smoothing. The options that was supposed to be it didn't do anything when turned off and it still looked like shit.

Urgh.
krazen
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(10-07-2017, 12:33 PM)
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Every tv i come across with it turned on I turn it off. It makes me feel like I am doing Godís work
SaviourMK2
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(10-07-2017, 01:12 PM)
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I'm gonna chalk it up to having the same TV for.... I think going on 6 years? Can someone tell me what TV Motion Smoothing is
jett
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(10-07-2017, 01:30 PM)
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My TV doesn't actually have this, it's a good TV too.

But yeh this is trash.
Hazanko
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(10-07-2017, 01:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by DOWN

I mean, high frame rate video looks grossly similar. Hobbit in high frame rate was disgusting...

Yeah the Hobbit was awful. It looked like a stage play and everything looked fake, totally ruined any immersion.
darkwing
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(10-07-2017, 01:44 PM)
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240hz or nothing
Koyuga
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(10-07-2017, 02:05 PM)
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I'm all for the future of HFR cinema, The hobbit in HFR+3D looked incredible and I'm looking forward to more movies using the tech.
But TV motion smoothing isn't this. It ruins the source material by adding fake frames and lowers the overall quality. I really don't get why this is on by default on almost every set, but I guess most people don't care about having an accurate picture.
If I am left alone with a TV that has this on, it is going to be turned off every time.

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