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bigjeffery
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(10-06-2017, 09:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by notsol337

I don't know what to tell you. If we don't have a military, then all we have are the 2nd amendment "BUT MY GUNS" crowd.

Ideally they won't exist either.
Bronx-Man
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(10-06-2017, 09:24 PM)

Originally Posted by Gemüsepizza

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https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/10...grumman-comic/



What is this shit? Smh.

Is Kevin Feige the only person at Marvel keeping the company from being an entire trainwreck? What the living fuck is this?
notsol337
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(10-06-2017, 09:24 PM)

Originally Posted by bigjeffery

Ideally they won't exist either.

I'm sure North Korea and China would be very happy with that.
kmfdmpig
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(10-06-2017, 09:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gemüsepizza

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https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/10...grumman-comic/



What is this shit? Smh.

That just seems bizarre.

I understand what Northrup Grumman is and what they do, but I don't see what their push for brand recognition from the general public is for. Why advertise during the SuperBowl and why moneyhat Marvel for PR? It seems like wasted money as the average guy on the street has no say in major weapons procurement. Do they think I'll become so enamored with Northrop Grumman due to an ad or comic that I'll call my senator and ask that they push for funding for more B-21s?
Tinfoilhatsron
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(10-06-2017, 09:24 PM)

Originally Posted by Tonedeff

Be serious please

Also, what division are they even working with?

Judge for yourself:

Originally Posted by Gemüsepizza

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https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/10...grumman-comic/



What is this shit? Smh.

Oh. Hm.

Marvel stanning for defense contractors in 2017. Lol.

Edit: Wrong quote.
Kinyou
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(10-06-2017, 09:25 PM)
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Perlmutter can really just fuck off
FyreWulff
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(10-06-2017, 09:25 PM)
Their superpowers are turning any contract into a no-bid and making Windows 98 FIPS compliant
bigjeffery
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(10-06-2017, 09:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by kmfdmpig

That just seems bizarre.

I understand what Northrup Grumman is and what they do, but I don't see what their push for brand recognition from the general public is for. Why advertise during the SuperBowl and why moneyhat Marvel for PR? It seems like wasted money as the average guy on the street has no say in major weapons procurement. Do they think I'll become so enamored with Northrop Grumman due to an ad or comic that I'll call my senator and ask that they push for funding for more B-21s?

It's PR. It's in-the-crib normalization of mass violence.
Tonedeff
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(10-06-2017, 09:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by Tinfoilhatsron

Judge for yourself:

Oh. Hm.

Marvel stanning for defense contractors in 2017. Lol.

Nvm. And I don't see a problem with this anyway
Principate
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(10-06-2017, 09:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by kswiston

No doubt that they are more heavily invested in military hardware/software than Boeing or Airbus. However, we don't even know why Marvel is partnering with them.

If it's for their bombers, then yes, that would be very weird. If it's for the stuff they do for NASA, or an educational program, then the outrage should be the same as it would be for Airbus, Boeing, or any other company with military ties.

I mean it's not a surprise. There's a difference between a company who dabbles in defence contracts and company for which defence contrasts make up a substantial portion of their revenue and is linked with the company image,

I mean the army and navy have educational programmes. They would still rightly gain a wide eye from anyone looking at such a partnership.

There's numerous other companies that you could do such programmes with that aren't so heavily linked with military operations which draws a pertinent question of why?
notsol337
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(10-06-2017, 09:26 PM)

Originally Posted by Tinfoilhatsron

Judge for yourself:

Oh. Hm.

Marvel stanning for defense contractors in 2017. Lol.

They were responding to bigjefferey saying "No one should make planes for the US Military at all" and not Marvel teaming up with Northrup Grumman.
InsaneTiger
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(10-06-2017, 09:26 PM)
What the? Where was Disney when that decision was made?
Sgt. Kabukiman
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(10-06-2017, 09:26 PM)

Originally Posted by Gemüsepizza

More details:

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/10...grumman-comic/



What is this shit? Smh.

Ugh.
This just reminds me of that dumb Blackwater videogame. This is not as bad of course but just profoundly misguided.
Come on Nicieza, you're better than this. I think.
Buckle
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(10-06-2017, 09:27 PM)
Jesus.

Wonder how Nick Spencer feels about this. Seems like the most politic guy there so curious how he might take it.

I imagine there are a lot of writers pretty disgusted with this.
Palette Swap
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(10-06-2017, 09:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gemüsepizza

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https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/10...grumman-comic/



What is this shit? Smh.

Fucking Nicieza, man.
Poppy
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(10-06-2017, 09:27 PM)
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yay murder
HeatBoost
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(10-06-2017, 09:27 PM)
So this is how they're going to finally trump that ridiculous anti-weed comic they made in the 90s, eh?



I guess "Get a job with the military industrial complex" is a slightly more helpful, it not slightly more repugnant message than "smoking marijuana will turn you into Golden Age Lois Lane with a comparable subconscious death wish"
bigjeffery
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(10-06-2017, 09:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by InsaneTiger

What the? Where was Disney when that decision was made?

Digging out more room in their Scrooge McDuck style money-pool.
Principate
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(10-06-2017, 09:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gemüsepizza

More details:

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/10...grumman-comic/



What is this shit? Smh.

Yep, yep exactly what I expected.

I fucking knew this was for PR.
Buckle
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(10-06-2017, 09:28 PM)

Originally Posted by Palette Swap

Fucking Nicieza, man.

Is this a heel turn for him or is there some sort of sign I should have saw this coming?

I loved his work on Cable and Deadpool when it pretty much became just Deadpool.
Moose Biscuits
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(10-06-2017, 09:28 PM)
Oh my god, this is actually hilarious. You could literally not make this up, I don't think ANYONE would have seen this coming.
bigjeffery
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(10-06-2017, 09:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Moose Biscuits

Oh my god, this is actually hilarious. You could literally not make this up, I don't think ANYONE would have seen this coming.

I certainly didn't, but I don't think it's that out of character for either company.
Wheeljack539
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(10-06-2017, 09:29 PM)
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I have to say I'm somewhat confused by all the reactions on the thread. It's not something I'm excited for nor care about but I honestly don't understand a number of the extreme reactions/breaking point responses.
Zubz
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(10-06-2017, 09:29 PM)

Originally Posted by Gaius Cassius

They mostly make planes and military bombers. I'd be fucking stoked if they made a plane similar to the Agents of Shields plane or something, even if it was just a fake mock up for show.

Hopefully it's just planes, but even then, holy shit this is a poorly-timed decision.

EDIT: Never mind, should've refreshed before posting after leaving the window open. The shit?!
kylecoley182
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(10-06-2017, 09:30 PM)
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Fucking what.
bigjeffery
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(10-06-2017, 09:30 PM)
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Trojita
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(10-06-2017, 09:31 PM)
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Marvel has done worse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...042801995.html



That's Rumsfeld
MsKrisp
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(10-06-2017, 09:31 PM)
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Nice article there, pegging NG solely as an arms manufacturer and not a company that works on thousands of different types of contracts for local and federal government. Nope, no bias detected here at all
bigjeffery
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(10-06-2017, 09:32 PM)
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Very fucked up of BC to have a anti-war, anti-violence bias.
Principate
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(10-06-2017, 09:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by MsKrisp

Nice article there, pegging NG solely as an arms manufacturer and not a company that works on thousands of different types of contracts for local and federal government. Nope, no bias detected here at all

Look at the comic. The article was on point.
Vilix
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(10-06-2017, 09:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by InsaneTiger

What the? Where was Disney when that decision was made?

They were probably the ones that put this deal together.
Moose Biscuits
It would be extreamly painful...
(10-06-2017, 09:34 PM)
If anything I'm disappointed that the NGEN characters look kinda lame. Like, they're fronting for a defence company! Surely they should have Iron-Man esque power armor with built in weapons systems? Instead they look generic as all hell.
zeemumu
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(10-06-2017, 09:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by LordOfLore

BC link.



Guess it’s Punisher related?

Could be Iron Man related.
Trojita
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(10-06-2017, 09:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by bigjeffery

Very fucked up of BC to have a anti-war, anti-violence bias.

I think they are pretty pro war, so much so that we got Civil War 2 when no one wanted it.
Buckle
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(10-06-2017, 09:34 PM)

Originally Posted by Vilix

They were probably the ones that put this deal together.

Need art of Mickey riding a missle now.

"Ho-ho!"
Zomba13
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(10-06-2017, 09:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by Buckle

Need art of Mickey riding a missle now.

"Ho-ho!"

How about this?

Tonedeff
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(10-06-2017, 09:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by Wheeljack539

I have to say I'm somewhat confused by all the reactions on the thread. It's not something I'm excited for nor care about but I honestly don't understand a number of the extreme reactions/breaking point responses.

I'm in the same boat right now
Necro
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(10-06-2017, 09:38 PM)

Originally Posted by notsol337

You have to be realistic. As long as there is a military, it will have aircraft, and you're not going to abolish the US Military. Even if we finally figured out how not to be awful to other countries, we still have a need to provide national defense.

The real ike warned us aout micc
Zero-ELEC
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(10-06-2017, 09:39 PM)
mbpm1
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(10-06-2017, 09:40 PM)
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why does the cover remind me of that Youngblood comic
notsol337
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(10-06-2017, 09:41 PM)

Originally Posted by Wheeljack539

I have to say I'm somewhat confused by all the reactions on the thread. It's not something I'm excited for nor care about but I honestly don't understand a number of the extreme reactions/breaking point responses.

It took me a minute, but I get it now. People have a hard time with any military contractor saying to kids "LOOK HOW COOL WE ARE" because it promotes the military-industrial complex. I can understand why people get upset about that.

What I didn't get was that it didn't matter to them which arm of that company was involved to them, because no matter what the company is evil. For some reason I didn't think about how the money flows, and now I feel dumb.

Originally Posted by Necro

The real ike warned us aout micc

I do not know what that means.
WrenchNinja
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(10-06-2017, 09:41 PM)
What the fuck
bigjeffery
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(10-06-2017, 09:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by Tonedeff

I'm in the same boat right now

On top of being pretty self evident (partnering with war profiteers = bad!), it's been explained pretty thoroughly by several people throughout this thread. If you still don't get why this is bizarrely evil, you're either not arguing in good faith or are being willfully obtuse.
jon bones
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(10-06-2017, 09:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gemüsepizza

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https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/10...grumman-comic/



What is this shit? Smh.

fuck everything about this
Ponn
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(10-06-2017, 09:42 PM)
Im going to protest by not watching the Inhumans.
kswiston
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(10-06-2017, 09:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by Trojita

I think they are pretty pro war, so much so that we got Civil War 2 when no one wanted it.

I think that he was talking about Bleeding Cool.


Superhero comics in general tend to be pro-violence, as long as said violence can be rationalized as defensive. The X-Men rode around in an SR-71, and have been a militant group in many eras of their history. Iron Man and Captain America/Steve Rogers both ran SHIELD in recent years. Military-esque tech has always been glorified.

I agree that superhero comic books don't need to be pushing real-life military companies, but they feed into that glorification in the same way that Call of Duty does, even if both often have anti-war messages in their actual stories.
Trickster
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(10-06-2017, 09:42 PM)
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This does not seem appropriate...at all
bronson
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(10-06-2017, 09:42 PM)
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broncobuster
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(10-06-2017, 09:43 PM)

Originally Posted by Trojita

Marvel has done worse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...042801995.html



That's Rumsfeld

In his defense, Spidey stumbled in there looking for The Lizard.
mbpm1
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(10-06-2017, 09:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by notsol337




I do not know what that means.

I think they’re referring to president Eisenhower and his speech against the military industrial complex

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