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Chobel
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(10-06-2017, 06:48 AM)
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lol, that's one huge fuck up. I suspect someone is gonna get fired.
Yukinari
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(10-06-2017, 06:49 AM)
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Impressive. Didnt even change how he looked or anything. This game just made money on humble bundle too.
pakkit
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(10-06-2017, 06:50 AM)
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i could definitely see this as a placeholder that never got replaced/addressed due to timeline concerns or lack of communication. i imagine it'll get patched out.
Wildo09
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(10-06-2017, 06:52 AM)
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Dumb thing is, the body isn't even needed in that damn newscast.
Lo_Fi
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(10-06-2017, 06:52 AM)

Originally Posted by ThatsMytrunks

Yeah, alright. I agree. All artists should be dropping their reference photos into reverse google image search. I forget this resource exists too often.

Shouldn't be necessary for placeholder art. It was likely that it was placeholder and then forgot to change it later. Not excusing it, but I could see how it could happen.
KazenY2J
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(10-06-2017, 06:56 AM)
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That's not even a coincidence too, yikes.
jwk94
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(10-06-2017, 06:56 AM)
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Wait is that picture on the bottom the actual body?
eyeball_kid
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(10-06-2017, 06:56 AM)
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Originally Posted by Lo_Fi

Random images are used for placeholder art all the time in games. You just are supposed to replace them before you ship.

I've only worked on indie games, so I don't know what a AAA studio's process is, but I can see how you might miss something with 1000's of art assets in your game.

That's just an explanation for how an unsourced image makes it into the game. This specific one? Not sure, maybe they googled "dead body" and used one of the first images? I certainly had never seen that image before, and it does look like a movie still.

Again, not excusing it. Just explaining how it might have happened.

Sure, it's possible this was placeholder art. But considering this is a real body of a person (if the artist didn't even check the source for the google image search, that was the first mistake), that no one vetted this later on shows some kind of real fuckup in their asset pipeline. I mean at a AAA level this kind of thing shouldn't slip by. I've worked on agency projects before and any externally-sourced art or photos is generally buttoned up tight because the price for not making sure everything is cleared is a nice lawsuit and sometimes bad press.

On top of that, it's just.... it's a dead body, right there on the screen. It just blows my mind that it got all the way to this point without a project manager saying, "Hey..uh, so about that dead body there..."
score01
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(10-06-2017, 06:57 AM)
Did someone quit NaughtyDog and get hired at TellTale?
erlim
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(10-06-2017, 07:00 AM)
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Originally Posted by ShockingAlberto

The artist who did that should work at Naughty Dog.

I don't understand this joke. Please explain?
Lo_Fi
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(10-06-2017, 07:02 AM)

Originally Posted by eyeball_kid

Sure, it's possible this was placeholder art. But considering this is a real body of a person (if the artist didn't even check the source for the google image search, that was the first mistake), that no one vetted this later on shows some kind of real fuckup in their asset pipeline. I mean at a AAA level this kind of thing shouldn't slip by. I've worked on agency projects before and any externally-sourced art or photos is generally buttoned up tight because the price for not making sure everything is cleared is a nice lawsuit and sometimes bad press.

On top of that, it's just.... it's a dead body, right there on the screen. It just blows my mind that it got all the way to this point without a project manager saying, "Hey..uh, so about that dead body there..."

I can't say what their system is because I've never worked at a AAA company. But the point of placeholder art is that it's fast and there's no overhead. Having to do a reverse google image search on every piece of placeholder art and then having your boss vet it would be silly, as only the dev team should ever see it.

Think about the artist's thought process. "I just need to communicate internally that there is a dead body here until we get the final art in. OK, time for google". Anything slower than that would be inefficient.

Originally Posted by erlim

I don't understand this joke. Please explain?

Every game developer in existence uses placeholder art during development, Naughty Dog happened to miss one of their placeholder art pieces and it made it into one of their trailers, the internet thinks Naughty Dog are incompetent for making a simple mistake.

(I don't agree with the internet in this case.)
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brian577
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(10-06-2017, 07:02 AM)
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Originally Posted by erlim

I don't understand this joke. Please explain?

https://www.polygon.com/2016/2/24/11...ag-concept-art

TBF the offending artwork didn't make it into the official game.
Marty Chinn
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(10-06-2017, 07:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by Syriel

The assassination happened on live TV.

Very similar images were posted on the first page of the GAF thread, including one from CNN which was just a different angle.

If you completely ignore international news, maybe you could miss it. But it's not like this was some small event that only got local coverage overseas, especially with the shooter's rant about Syria and Turkish/Russian relations at the time.

I'm not saying people didn't hear about it; I'm saying people might not have seen the image. I definitely heard about the news at the time. Plus in the age of people cutting the cord, there are now plenty of people not watching live TV or TV news. Heck the previous GAF thread you linked to does not use that picture once. The way that picture looks as others have indicator is like right out of a movie. I heard plenty of discussion, lots of talk on the radio, but not once had I seen that image until today and clearly in this thread other people as well. Still no excuse on Telltale's part though.
collige
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(10-06-2017, 07:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by erlim

I don't understand this joke. Please explain?

Originally Posted by brian577

https://www.polygon.com/2016/2/24/11...ag-concept-art

TBF the offending artwork didn't make it into the official game.

They also got heat over stealing an artists' subway map for TLoU
Lo_Fi
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(10-06-2017, 07:08 AM)

Originally Posted by collige

They also got heat over stealing an artists' subway map for TLoU

They got heat over using an artist's subway map as placeholder during development and then forgetting to replace it before the game shipped.
Mattakuevan
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(10-06-2017, 07:09 AM)
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Wow, can't help but laugh about this. It's just too absurd. What the fuck was that artist thinking?
Tapioca
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(10-06-2017, 07:10 AM)
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I've never seen this photo in my life or even heard that this happened. And I read a lot of news.
Fat4all
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(10-06-2017, 07:13 AM)
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Originally Posted by Tapioca

I've never seen this photo in my life or even heard that this happened. And I read a lot of news.

ok
eyeball_kid
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(10-06-2017, 07:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by Lo_Fi

I can't say what their system is because I've never worked at a AAA company. But the point of placeholder art is that it's fast and there's no overhead. Having to do a reverse google image search on every piece of placeholder art and then having your boss vet it would be silly, as only the dev team should ever see it.

Think about the artist's thought process. "I just need to communicate internally that there is a dead body here until we get the final art in. OK, time for google". Anything slower than that would be inefficient.

I can't speak to AAA pipeline process either, but in my experience (and practice), placeholder art is always logged for future purchase in case the AD or CD likes it and wants to use it. To just grab random images from google without any idea where it came from seems very unprofessional.

But as I emphasized, this is not just on the artist, as the checks in place to make sure unlicensed artwork, or you know...a dead body of a man...doesn't reach the audience totally failed. If they even have checks like that at Telltale. If they don't, I'm sure they will now.
HiiiLife
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(10-06-2017, 07:23 AM)
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Not even Wolf among us 2 can save yíall from this one.
GinoFelino
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(10-06-2017, 07:26 AM)
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That Twitter link in the OP...ugh

Didn't know BroTeam was still around, but judging by all those pieces of shit in his timeline, I'm sad he still is

This thing is incredible though. How the fuck??
Elfotografoalocado
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(10-06-2017, 07:32 AM)
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Originally Posted by massoluk

Wait, is that second photo real shot of the crime scene? Could da mistook it for a scene from a Bond movie

Yeah, that photograph is amazing.
Budi
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(10-06-2017, 07:50 AM)
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Originally Posted by Tapioca

I've never seen this photo in my life or even heard that this happened. And I read a lot of news.

I have, couldn't have connected seeing the body in-game to the real life situation though. Still it's pretty damn odd and distasteful to have it in the game. I'd assume it will be removed and Telltale will apologize for the mistake, or whatever it was. Or atleast that's how I would do it.
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snail_maze
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(10-06-2017, 07:59 AM)
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Originally Posted by Lo_Fi

They got heat over using an artist's subway map as placeholder during development and then forgetting to replace it before the game shipped.

If I take something out of a store and just forget to pay for it it's still stealing.
xrnzaaas
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(10-06-2017, 08:02 AM)
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Holy fuck please tell me it's a disgruntled employee's sabotage and not just the effect of their superb quality control.
Dalek
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(10-06-2017, 08:05 AM)
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This is super duper crazy.
Agent_4Seven
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(10-06-2017, 08:40 AM)
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How the fuck did this happen...?! Are they insane? Unfuckingbeliavable 8[
Seraphna
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(10-06-2017, 08:43 AM)
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Honestly I just expect to see an employee fired and possibly a stock image site sued for not checking their images.
Moosichu
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(10-06-2017, 08:50 AM)
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The thing about placeholder art? You should make it super obvious it's placeholder.

Like literally, put bright red text saying 'placeholder' in a huge font right across the image.
MadMod
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(10-06-2017, 09:32 AM)
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This seems like an outsourcing oversight. Should be patched immediately, pretty ridiculous oversight haha.
autoduelist
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(10-06-2017, 09:50 AM)
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Originally Posted by Syriel

The assassination happened on live TV.

Very similar images were posted on the first page of the GAF thread, including one from CNN which was just a different angle.

If you completely ignore international news, maybe you could miss it. But it's not like this was some small event that only got local coverage overseas, especially with the shooter's rant about Syria and Turkish/Russian relations at the time.

I heard about the assassination at the time, and read a bit about it. There's no chance I'd remember that particular image. And that image looks like a stock photo... I could easily see someone making an honest mistake.
HellofaMouse
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(10-06-2017, 09:51 AM)
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my guess: it was a placeholder that some1 forgot to replace
True Fire
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(10-06-2017, 09:59 AM)
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I donít even think it was a placeholder. Itís just good old Telltale quality.
Mr. Pointy
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(10-06-2017, 10:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by xrnzaaas

Holy fuck please tell me it's a disgruntled employee's sabotage and not just the effect of their superb quality control.

A little from column A, a little from column B.
hotcyder
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(10-06-2017, 10:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by Blobbers

how does this happen
what

"hey we need an image of a bank heist - maybe have a guard knocked out"
"ok chief"
*googles guy shot on the floor*

Chao
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(10-06-2017, 10:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by hotcyder

"hey we need an image of a bank heist - maybe have a guard knocked out"
"ok chief"
*googles guy shot on the floor*


That's exactly why I don't understand how can this happen. When you make a videogame, an ad, a movie, you know you can't just grab whatever and use it without getting into trouble later. That's why stock image websites exist
Lucael
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(10-06-2017, 10:10 AM)
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Honestly the events behind that photo got a lot of media coverage and the image itself got a World Press Award making exhibition with it and a bunch of others around the world. How is even possibile that someone working on visual field is not aware of such a iconic image?

Anyway I understand that every developer today use placeholders and such, but to me looks like a dangerous practice. It's easy to have one slip through.
mocolostrocolos
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(10-06-2017, 10:11 AM)
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The fuck?
Rafus
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(10-06-2017, 10:12 AM)
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This was a very famous meme, how could someone think nobody would notice? Or maybe he though it was "funny" to have it as an easter egg...
Not Drake
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(10-06-2017, 10:13 AM)
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Telltale is a joke. Not because of this shit in particular. That's just a cherry on top.
Joey Ravn
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(10-06-2017, 10:14 AM)
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Edit: Nevermind.
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KratosEnergyDrink
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(10-06-2017, 10:18 AM)
Probably a stock photo that was not marked right. It looks very artificial, so if one not saw the images on the news one would definitely not expect it to be real.

Where are telltale from? I have heard from this murder but never bothered to look at pictures or the video. Respectable TV news had not shown the footage anyway, at least in many European countries they show no images of murder victims.

Besides whats this talk about "Telltale and AAA games", these words absolutely have no connection since years :)
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KahooTs
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(10-06-2017, 10:21 AM)

Originally Posted by KratosEnergyDrink

Respectable TV news had not shown the footage anyway, at least in many European countries they show no images of murder victims.

What an interesting concept.
ghostwritingduck
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(10-06-2017, 10:30 AM)
It looks like someone stole the picture as a shortcut not realizing the thing was real. The museum lighting makes the real event appear staged in the photo.
Gamezone
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(10-06-2017, 10:36 AM)
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They probably made a search on Google and thought it was something harmless.
Polk
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(10-06-2017, 10:37 AM)

Originally Posted by ghostwritingduck

It looks like someone stole the picture as a shortcut not realizing the thing was real. The museum lighting makes the real event appear staged in the photo.

Unless it was sold as stock photo it still doesn't make any sense to put random person's face in your game.
snail_maze
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(10-06-2017, 10:43 AM)
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Disregarding how disrespectful using that image is for a game, it's incredible how cavalier people creating digital goods can be about someone else's copyright. Unless they actually paid to use the image which would be insane considereing the image matter
CadetMahoney
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(10-06-2017, 10:51 AM)
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"The lighting and angles were so good I thought it was a fake stock photo chief."
2+2=5
The Amiga Brotherhood
(10-06-2017, 10:53 AM)
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What the hell!?!?!?!?

Honestly it looks made on purpose to me..
shimon
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(10-06-2017, 10:54 AM)
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Uhhhhh...hello? WTF were they thinking??

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