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AHA-Lambda
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(10-05-2017, 07:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by theaface

Can I just clarify, have you guys played and completed the game and can confirm whether or not TB is wrong here? Or are you doing the exact thing you're accusing him of?

Nah I imagine that is just TB hate
Obliterator
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(10-05-2017, 07:17 PM)
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Ah the old "bought off games media" argument.

The discussion going on around this game online is borderline embarrassing
IdreamofHIME
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(10-05-2017, 07:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by What did he mean by this?

I do not trust Total Biscuit


Why? Because he hasn't played the game and this thread is based on his assumption based on a passing comment in one review out of dozens that either say the opposite or don't think enough about it to mention at all?
What's not to trust?
Bronetta
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(10-05-2017, 07:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by d9b

"Legendary orcs are only available with paid loot boxes"

Loool! Fuck WB!

Regular orcs can be leveled up to legendary without paying.
Morrigan Stark
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(10-05-2017, 07:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by Bronetta

So what you're saying is I can't see the secret ending without spending real money on loot boxes?

Based on all the reviews I can tell you that's total and utter bullshit.

OP: Grinding or Lootboxes

So no, it is not necessary to spend real money to get the true ending, but the only other way is to grind and that is what is being criticized here. Why are you being deliberately obtuse?
Cramoss
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(10-05-2017, 07:18 PM)
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Fucking disgusting if true

Burdmayn
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(10-05-2017, 07:18 PM)
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Reviews that I've read definitely pointed out that the "4th act" is extremely grindy. It seems like a bit of a leap to say that it forces you to buy lootboxes though. From what I've seen, essentially buying better orcs isn't going to let you skip the numerous giant battles you'll need to participate in without the distractions you'd find while playing the campaign.

Edit: Just read that last excerpt of the Polygon review and I'm still kind of torn. I suppose someone who really wants to see that "hidden" ending might be super tempted to spend real money there. Otherwise it just seems like a neat way to continue playing the game, even if it is a bit of a grind. I take more issue with the fact that they put a tiny morsel of extra story at the end of that mode than the fact that extra purchases speed it up.

It's probably just a dumb cutscene that leads the game into the start of the LoTR trilogy anyway.
Last edited by Burdmayn; 10-05-2017 at 07:26 PM.
LinkGray
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(10-05-2017, 07:18 PM)
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TB exaggerating as usual
Zukkoyaki
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(10-05-2017, 07:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Obliterator

Ah the old "bought off games media" argument.

The discussion going on around this game online is borderline embarrassing

Originally Posted by Bronetta

Regular orcs can be leveled up to legendary without paying.

Originally Posted by LinkGray

TB exaggerating as usual

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Bronetta
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(10-05-2017, 07:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Morrigan Stark

OP: Grinding or Lootboxes

So no, it is not necessary to spend real money to get the true ending, but the only other way is to grind and that is what is being criticized here. Why are you being deliberately obtuse?

Read the post I replied to. I'm not the one being obtuse.
Chairmanchuck
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(10-05-2017, 07:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by thehillissilent

From Gamestop review
https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/mid.../1900-6416783/



Polygon Review https://www.polygon.com/2017/10/5/16...-of-war-review






The true ending is basically a grind

This should be bolded:

When you run out of in-game money, you have two choices: Make a huge time investment by hunting down orcs in your game world and earning chests via vendetta missions, or spend some real money to get the more powerful orcs you need now.

Bizzquik
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(10-05-2017, 07:19 PM)
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Total Biscuit d@mn well better be right about this claim, because the truly incendiary aspect isn't just a credibility hit against Warner Brothers - its against fellow reviewers.

We'll see....
Tagyhag
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(10-05-2017, 07:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by d9b

"Legendary orcs are only available with paid loot boxes"

Loool! Fuck WB!

Originally Posted by Bronetta

Regular orcs can be leveled up to legendary without paying.

OK, that's better.

While making it grindy on purpose just to entice you to buy loot boxes is pretty messed up,at least they don't purposely lock out legendary orcs JUST to paid loot boxes.

Now that would have been fucked.
fluffydelusions
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(10-05-2017, 07:20 PM)
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holy shit if true.
Akainu
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(10-05-2017, 07:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mesoian

The reviews for this game are gonna be interesting.

*fap fap fap*

interesting

ugh
EpicBox
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(10-05-2017, 07:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by Bronetta

So you've never run out of resources or cash in games which doesn't have loot boxes?

Sure I did. And if the game offered it, I might use a cheat code.

When I have to pay for that luxury, the implication is that the game is deliberately giving me a harder time for the sake of profit.
Tizoc
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(10-05-2017, 07:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by thehillissilent

From Gamestop review
https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/mid.../1900-6416783/



Polygon Review https://www.polygon.com/2017/10/5/16...-of-war-review






The true ending is basically a grind

Oh nothing for me to worry about then
Ill just play thru it til inget the normal ending then
BanjoLayleeYookaKazooie
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(10-05-2017, 07:21 PM)

Originally Posted by Bronetta

So what you're saying is I can't see the secret ending without spending real money on loot boxes?

Based on all the reviews I can tell you that's total and utter bullshit.

What I'm saying is that they've made (allegedly) made the game more grindy/tedious/unsatisfying/less rewarding in an attempt to get more dollars out of their $60 (or more!) game. You were the one trying to compare it to grinding in any other game like there's no difference whatsoever. I never said the lootboxes are a necessity at all, microtransactions never are. They're just the end goal of a physiologically manipulative system that prays on susceptible people, and WB are the masters of it.

You're free to use the tired excuses but what we're seeing is hardly surprising to me at least. It's WB after all.
Brazil
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(10-05-2017, 07:21 PM)
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That Polygon review snippet sounds like exactly what any sane person would expect from this game after WB started revealing their hand months back.

Mess.
AHA-Lambda
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(10-05-2017, 07:21 PM)
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Guys there are 2 other reviews already quoted in this thread backing up what TB has said. Come on now.
sjay1994
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(10-05-2017, 07:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by AHA-Lambda

Arkham Knight's ending... Now with microtransactions!

I can't say I'm shocked. I figured something like this would happen after the fortresses mechanic was announced

Next Arkham game has a MT that gets all the riddler trophies.

A MT I would actually be tempted into buying.
pelican
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(10-05-2017, 07:22 PM)
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My immeduate question is..

Has TB played Act 4 to completion? If not, unsure how he could make such a statement.
Joe Shlabotnik
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(10-05-2017, 07:22 PM)
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Sooooo the gamespot review just says that the final act is tedious and unnecessary and requires upgrading your Orcs which you otherwise didn’t really have to do up until then.

Separately, it says Legendary stuff is only available through paid micro transactions but they’re not materially different from Epic stuff and don’t seem necessary or useful.

It say nothing about these things having anything to do with each other. It pretty much says paying for Legendary loot is pointless.
Human Trashcan
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(10-05-2017, 07:22 PM)
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So this guy read one review and came to this conclusion and that's all we're gonna go on? Mr Biscuit's extrapolations? I'd like to know some specifics before grabbing the pitchforks.

Also, obligatory "TB is a shitheel GG supporter and he should fuck off into the sun"
Shifty1897
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(10-05-2017, 07:22 PM)
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I'd rather eat broken glass than support this kind of developer/publisher behavior.
SilentRob
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(10-05-2017, 07:22 PM)
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Ah, nice. Totalbiscuit is at it again, sharing information he didn't get or confirm himself. That worked out great with Hellblade. Including the bashing of media. Fun.

Also: You make a thread about a tweet about a review instead of the review itself? While we already have a review thread? Why?
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(10-05-2017, 07:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by N7.Angel

If true, I want the press to demolish the game in every way possible, like the worst metacritic/open critic ever for a AAA game.

Yeah...I feel safe in saying most outlets assuredly will not demolish the game in every way.
ShdwDrake
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(10-05-2017, 07:23 PM)
Thanks for saving me $59.99.
Chairmanchuck
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(10-05-2017, 07:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by SilentRob

Ah, nice. Totalbiscuit is again at it, sharing information he didn't get or confirm himself. That worked out great with Hellblade. Including the bashing of media. Fun.

There are two reviews in this thread that claim the same: Either grind or buy lootboxes to get legendary orcs directly instead of using grinding to level them up.
MiamiWesker
(10-05-2017, 07:23 PM)
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I found it really interesting to see so few reviews actually talk about this part of the game, seems pretty important to mention. Now it does seem like it's an option post story mode, so it's not something everyone will do so there is that.

Also this comparison to Batman is silly. In batman if I recall correctly to get the secret ending you had to 100% the game, which is something many players do naturally when they play these games. I got 100% in every batman game before that and loved it. It's part of the MAIN GAME.

In this it seems there is a brand new objective that unlocks only after you beat the game at it requires lots of repetition of defense battles to get the secret ending. It's an extra mode where batman was just stuff you do during the game.
Einchy
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(10-05-2017, 07:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by thehillissilent

From Gamestop review
https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/mid.../1900-6416783/

Polygon Review https://www.polygon.com/2017/10/5/16...-of-war-review

The true ending is basically a grind

Sounds like I'm finishing act 3 and then hitting up Youtube.
Brazil
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(10-05-2017, 07:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by Human Trashcan

So this guy read one review and came to this conclusion and that's all we're gonna go on? Mr Biscuit's extrapolations? I'd like to know some specifics before grabbing the pitchforks.

Also, obligatory "TB is a shitheel GG supporter and he should fuck off into the sun"

You're free to read the two reviews posted in this thread that completely detail exactly what that dude tweeted about.
N7.Angel
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(10-05-2017, 07:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by bigdaddygamebot

Yeah...I feel safe in saying most outlets assuredly will not demolish the game in every way.

I know, I was just dreaming of a good gaming press...
hydragonwarrior
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(10-05-2017, 07:25 PM)
They should redo the entire LOTR trilogy with loot boxes.
Thaedolus
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(10-05-2017, 07:25 PM)
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Fuck lootboxes. Worst thing to happen to gaming since day 1 DLC
Theorry
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(10-05-2017, 07:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by Brazil

You're free to read the two reviews posted in this thread that completely detail exactly what that dude tweeted about.

Did he? He said legendary are only behind paid loot. Wich isnt?
EpicBox
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(10-05-2017, 07:25 PM)
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Getting 100% to unlock the true ending to Batman didn't feel particularly grindy at all though.
wesleyshark
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(10-05-2017, 07:26 PM)
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Well this is absolutely misleading. Let's outrage about nothing, again.
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(10-05-2017, 07:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by thehillissilent

From Gamestop review
https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/mid.../1900-6416783/



Polygon Review https://www.polygon.com/2017/10/5/16...-of-war-review





The true ending is basically a grind

Sounds like a real slog. It's like every time there's news about this game, my interest dwindles. I think it's gone from "bargain-bin it" to "don't bother". A real shame, since I'm a fan of the Tolkienverse.
zelas
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(10-05-2017, 07:27 PM)
OP, why not go to the source instead of crediting that scumbag Totalbiscuit. Here is their review:


However, Shadow Wars is spoiled by two major issues.

First, it’s not just postgame content. While the main plot of Shadow of War wraps up in relatively tidy fashion before act four begins, Monolith has confirmed that there is a “true ending” hidden behind Shadow Wars. I love the idea of offering dozens of hours of grindy yet fun content for players who really adore this game to sink their teeth into. But that works better as an option rather than a looming obligation for completionists. Having the game’s real finale locked away behind those dozens of hours — hours that, while fun, are devoid of story missions, side quests, cutscenes or other distractions that help mix up the pace — is a disappointment.

When you run out of in-game money, you have two choices: Make a huge time investment by hunting down orcs in your game world and earning chests via vendetta missions, or spend some real money to get the more powerful orcs you need now. Does the game ever force you to spend money? No. I’m sure you can get to the end of Shadow Wars without spending a dime, as long as you’re patient and persistent. But locking progress through this mode (and, again, toward the game’s true ending) behind either spending more money or doing tons of tedious busywork feels at least greedy if not predatory.

https://www.polygon.com/2017/10/5/16...-of-war-review
Chairmanchuck
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(10-05-2017, 07:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by wesleyshark

Well this is absolutely misleading. Let's outrage about nothing, again.

Isnt the only misleading thing about that that TB said you can only get them in lootboxes?

The Polygon and Gamespot review said you can upgrade them to become legendary, but it takes time. Or you can buy lootboxes and skip that grind.
shimon
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(10-05-2017, 07:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cramoss

Fucking disgusting if true

Apparently not true but it's basically RNG if they spawn or not.

http://www.gamesradar.com/middle-ear...ry-orcs-guide/
Mushroomer25
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(10-05-2017, 07:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by AHA-Lambda

Guys there are 2 other reviews already quoted in this thread backing up what TB has said. Come on now.

They've verified that the game has a grindy postgame with a 'true ending', but TB's posts are wildly misleading & reactionary. He refers to Shadow Wars as the '4th act', as if an entire quarter of the game is gated behind a paywall. In reality, it seems like there's just an ending cutscene at the end of this grindy side mission - closer to AK's 'true ending' requiring 100% completion.

He also insinuates these reviews have been coerced into not making a bigger deal out of this, despite zero evidence to this claim. As he's done in the past, he's invoking GG-esque boogymen of corrupt games journos - just to get attention on himself in the name of 'consumer interests'.
razgriz417
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(10-05-2017, 07:28 PM)
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Course TB didn't link to his sources. Patrick Klepick does a much better job making the same point on the loot boxes and includes quotes from reviewers completed the game

https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/arti...-of-loot-boxes

But yeah seems like it's mainly coming from the Gamespot and polygon reviews that have been already posted in this thread
Retro Edge
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(10-05-2017, 07:28 PM)

Originally Posted by Heckler456

They're already out, and largely positive.


I play videogames for 20 year now but some days I just hate my hobby and everything that happens around it. Today is one of them.

A game with such a business model should get the biggest shitstorm possible. For once, not from their buyer, from the reviewer. This should get denied immediately. How will Videogames look like in the future if this gets a pass?
zelas
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(10-05-2017, 07:28 PM)

Originally Posted by Chairmanchuck

Isnt the only misleading thing about that that TB said you can only get them in lootboxes?

You should edit OP with accurate information then
2blackcats
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(10-05-2017, 07:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mushroomer25

So to be clear, the last act of the game requires you to have Legendary orcs in your party. These can either be taken from boss battles through domination - or randomly scored through loot boxes. The boxes can be grinded out through game play, or bought directly with cash.

Yeah, that sounds right.

I mean the game has daily challenges, community events and asynchronous Pvp.

I really don't think you're supposed to be trying to finish the post end grind in a single sitting.

I think the loot boxes are fucking stupid but I'm glad to have something to do in the post game. I remember letting myself die a bunch of times just to make some powerful Orcs to fight in the first one.
Salty Rice
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(10-05-2017, 07:29 PM)
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This game is such a giant shit show.

Cant wait for a future documentary about its development.
family_guy
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(10-05-2017, 07:29 PM)
I suppose if you're enjoying the gameplay then grinding isn't an issue. Look at all the people that continued to play Destiny.
Brat-Sampson
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(10-05-2017, 07:29 PM)
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Backed up also by a commenter from the Eurogamer review:

As I may have played more of this than Johnny, a word of warning about the microtransactions: if you want to complete the endgame and see the *true* ending, be prepared to buy the XP boosts from the store while you're playing the campaign or face a 40-50 hour grind. I finished the story in about 15 hours (and agree that it's awful), and have been grinding for 8 hours a day for the past four days just to level up enough to finish the "Shadow of War" endgame content, and it is indescribably tedious.


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