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TheOddOne
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(08-26-2017, 10:42 AM)
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New episode today:

Season 4: episode 3 "Miscellaneous"

Cameron promotes her game at an industry conference; Donna squares off against old rivals; Gordon struggles to support Joe's newest idea.

- Promo for this week's episode.
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(08-27-2017, 03:47 AM)
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EGM!
Sandfox
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(08-27-2017, 05:17 AM)
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Cameron hating on Doom because some dude called it the future of gaming is both hilarious and sad at her expense.
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(08-27-2017, 06:47 AM)
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lol the website.
jerry113
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(08-27-2017, 07:56 AM)
Bringing Halley into this a dramatic coup on the part of the writers.
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(08-27-2017, 08:18 AM)
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They really went all in on the game industry references this episode, down to using accurate graphics in the EGM issue. Whether or not we see more of that I guess will depend on what Cameron persues the rest of the season.

It's such a wild idea to have Donna more or less competing with her daughter and I love it.
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(08-27-2017, 09:34 AM)
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Originally Posted by Sandfox

Cameron hating on Doom because some dude called it the future of gaming is both hilarious and sad at her expense.

Yup.

Never before have the writers given us such a clear picture that Cameron is wrong.

Season 2 came very close but it didn't actually show her coming up against something we knew would change shit.

I'm actually not sure if I should be disappointed at the writers (a genius visionary like Cameron would instantly see what Carmack is doing) or praising them (Cameron's refusal to like any revolutionary idea that is not hers). Cameron was ahead of the curve concerning the early days of computers. With the medium of video games? She's lagging, primarily because she has no control over how people play her final product.

Originally Posted by jooey

I definitely cannot buy Joe's transformation into long-haired shut-in

Yeah, if they don't at least reference that he was once a Steve Jobs-popular visionary, I'm not buying it.
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(08-27-2017, 09:59 AM)
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Originally Posted by HP_Wuvcraft

Yup.

Never before have the writers given us such a clear picture that Cameron is wrong.

Season 2 came very close but it didn't actually show her coming up against something we knew would change shit.

I'm actually not sure if I should be disappointed at the writers (a genius visionary like Cameron would instantly see what Carmack is doing) or praising them (Cameron's refusal to like any revolutionary idea that is not hers). Cameron was ahead of the curve concerning the early days of computers. With the medium of video games? She's lagging, primarily because she has no control over how people play her final product.



Yeah, if they don't at least reference that he was once a Steve Jobs-popular visionary, I'm not buying it.

Cameron is a terrible businessperson and will never find success if she's allowed to make decisions. I don't even know if I would consider her a visionary as much as her just wanting to be a rebel . I really think Joe, Gordon, and Cameron work best together and would've found success if it wasn't for all the drama that continues to push them apart.

Joe is still coming up with ideas, but all the crap that has happened to him throughout the series has caught up to him and a lot of it was unfair.
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(08-27-2017, 10:04 AM)
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Excellent followup to last week's very strong premiere.

Originally Posted by HP_Wuvcraft

Yeah, if they don't at least reference that he was once a Steve Jobs-popular visionary, I'm not buying it.

Well, he was able to immediately get on the phone with the guy that Gordon unsuccessfully (?) spent all of last week's second episode trying to reach.

He also negotiated a better deal for the sale of their company that resulted in them receiving twice the money that Gordon had originally estimated.
Sapiens
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(08-27-2017, 04:03 PM)
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The anachronisms on this show are insane, but I love it.
cubicle47b
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(08-27-2017, 04:29 PM)
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Another great episode. I love this show so much. My favorite moment was the transition to Joe and Gordon's business meeting with Haley.
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(08-27-2017, 04:47 PM)
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The dinner scene was so cringy (except for the end). Couldn't even look.
dead souls
(08-27-2017, 07:13 PM)

Originally Posted by ezekial45

EGM!

This shows fills me with so much nostalgia, it's insane.
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(08-27-2017, 07:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by cubicle47b

Another great episode. I love this show so much. My favorite moment was the transition to Joe and Gordon's business meeting with Haley.

This also was my favorite, the discussion between joe and gordon cracked me up.
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(08-27-2017, 09:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sapiens

The anachronisms on this show are insane, but I love it.

The graphics in Cameron's new game aside, what else was anachronistic?
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(08-27-2017, 09:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sandfox

Cameron hating on Doom because some dude called it the future of gaming is both hilarious and sad at her expense.

If anything I think it's sad at gaming's expense. 15 years later and here we are: skinner boxes rule the landscape, at least financially. Although Doom isn't really a skinner box as we understand the term now, ironically.

But in some sense I think Cameron is right, in that she's looking further ahead to immersive online gaming. I think she's basically going to build Everquest or Ultimate Online on the show, or something analogous, not using the same name of course.

This show's so good. Setting Donna up to compete with her own daughter is both brilliant and crushing, as she has to choose between success and recognition at work or crushing her daughter's dreams. She's probably too far along to pull the plug now. Involving the kids in the show like this is really smart.
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(08-27-2017, 10:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by RatskyWatsky

The graphics in Cameron's new game aside, what else was anachronistic?


Well, just in this episode:

EGM covering PC games. EGM having a "review crew" in the format depicted. EGM giving any sort of attention to a singular developer like that.

Atari being a major force in American PC gaming.

Cameron having a beta release of SMK 1.5 years before it came out (impossible).

And there are many others in other episodes, but I'd have to go back and watch them. They're there though. Not shitting on the show, but they do play fast and loose with small details. It's weird to take the time to include these details and then get a lot of things wrong.
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mm04
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(08-27-2017, 10:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sapiens

Well, just in this episode:

EGM covering PC games.

Atari being a major force in American PC gaming.

Cameron having a beta release of SMK 1.5 years before it came out (impossible).

And there are many others in other episodes, but I'd have to go back and watch them. They're there though.

I kinda view it as this timeline existing in a slightly different universe where some things are the same and some are different. I do love the Haley website story line. It's going to be very interesting how that all plays out.
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(08-27-2017, 10:26 PM)
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I'm glad I don't let trivia like that distract me. Like yeah I know Atari wasn't relevant at the time of the show's setting but who cares? It's a name people know, it's shorthand. This isn't a historical documentary. In terms of actually getting the things that matter about the period right they knock it out of the park. They don't talk about games in a way that makes it clear that the people writing the show have no idea what they're talking about, you know?
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(08-27-2017, 10:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by mm04

I kinda view it as this timeline existing in a slightly different universe where some things are the same and some are different. I do love the Haley website story line. It's going to be very interesting how that all plays out.


Joe: "We'll call it Joe's Alta-McMoogle! A product of my visionary talking and brooding"

Gordon: "I can't believe it, against all odds and using only the amazing and mysterious HTML abilities of a 13 year old, we've recaptured our lost fortunes, Joe."

Cut to Joe McMillan setting all servers on fire.
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(08-28-2017, 12:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by Sapiens

Joe: "We'll call it Joe's Alta-McMoogle! A product of my visionary talking and brooding"

Gordon: "I can't believe it, against all odds and using only the amazing and mysterious HTML abilities of a 13 year old, we've recaptured our lost fortunes, Joe."

Cut to Joe McMillan setting all servers on fire.

I was an Excite homepage person, myself.
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(08-28-2017, 01:00 AM)
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Originally Posted by Sandfox

Cameron is a terrible businessperson and will never find success if she's allowed to make decisions.

If the series were set today, Cameron would probably be one of the people that thinks Twitch is a cancer to the industry even though it is exactly her philosophy.

I don't even know if I would consider her a visionary as much as her just wanting to be a rebel.

Seasons 1 and 2 Cameron were 100% visionaries. Then they got more jaded as the industry got bigger.
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(08-28-2017, 09:49 AM)
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Man, this show is awesome. Can't wait to see Donna's company go up against the combined minds of Joe, Gordon, and her own daughter. Hopefully Cam gets involved with the project too.

Loved the crushing your head reference too. Loved that skit when I was a kid.
Kids in the Hall: Head Crusher
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(08-28-2017, 04:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by mm04

I was an Excite homepage person, myself.

...WebCrawler.

Which, holy shit, still exists.

http://www.webcrawler.com/
TheOddOne
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(09-02-2017, 11:11 AM)
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No new episode today, it will return next week.
Human Trashcan
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(09-02-2017, 11:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by TheOddOne

No new episode today, it will return next week.

WHAT. why is this? That's unfortunate :(
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(09-02-2017, 11:34 AM)
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I was worried they would straight up just paint Donna as an antagonist so I'm glad we got that dinner scene that grounded her and made her look loving to at least one of her kids and the other people on the team

This rivalry stuff will get ugly because the show has always put these characters at odds with each other but I'm glad that theyre going the more ambiguous route here once again with their diverging ideas and conflict
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(09-02-2017, 04:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Human Trashcan

WHAT. why is this? That's unfortunate :(

uhh labor day I think
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(09-02-2017, 04:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Human Trashcan

WHAT. why is this? That's unfortunate :(

I blame AOL. Gonna watch the new season on Narcos for my Donna fix.
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(09-02-2017, 04:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by Darth Pinche

I blame AOL. Gonna watch the new season on Narcos for my Donna fix.

good shout. I just finished Black Sails and I watched the first 2 seasons of Narcos last month, it was pretty dang good.
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(09-02-2017, 06:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by JackDT



Damn. I think I've still got that actual issue in a box somewhere. (Minus the Pilgrim review, of course.)
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(09-02-2017, 09:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheOddOne

No new episode today.

Boo!
dabig2
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(09-02-2017, 09:33 PM)
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Sucks that there's no new episode. Not like ratings matter anyways! At least Twin Peaks finale is still airing tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Darth Pinche

I blame AOL. Gonna watch the new season on Narcos for my Donna fix.

I marked out when I saw her in Narcos. Pretty fitting she's in another show that's basically occupying the same time period.
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(09-03-2017, 09:30 AM)
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This got me thinking:

Cameron is not on the web project anymore? That's the entire reason we have Evil Donna.
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(09-04-2017, 02:58 PM)
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Uhh, apparently they aired the ep after all?
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(09-04-2017, 03:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by RS4-

Uhh, apparently they aired the ep after all?

No? It's available in the UK if you have Amazon Prime but it hasn't aired in the States yet.
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(09-04-2017, 04:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by Tagg9

No? It's available in the UK if you have Amazon Prime but it hasn't aired in the States yet.

Does that mean the UK is gonna be a week ahead of the US for the rest of the season then?
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(09-09-2017, 08:02 PM)
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New episode today:

Season 4: episode 4 "Tonya and Nancy"

Cameron thinks owning a piece of land will help her center. Joe and Gordon hire a team to map the web. Donna focuses her team on a new mission.

- Promo for this week's episode.
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(09-10-2017, 04:27 AM)
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Oh Cameron, what have you done?
jerry113
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(09-10-2017, 08:40 AM)
It's almost tragic watching these two groups knowing they're both about to get ambushed by Yahoo / Google

edit: why cam?
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Sandfox
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(09-10-2017, 08:45 AM)
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Cameron is never going to be happy. At the beginning of the episode everyone was smiling and they had a good thing going only for her to ruin everything over the course of a single episode(though it had multiple time jumps).

I'm going to miss this show when it's gone.
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(09-10-2017, 08:46 AM)
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Love this show, the tension this season between both sides is intense, especially after this latest reveal.

Just hope Joe/Cameron don't end up yet again like they did before.

Also, did I miss something or are they leaving out Gordon's whole brain trauma from the past seasons? Seems like he's almost better now...
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(09-10-2017, 08:53 AM)
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Originally Posted by Stiler

Love this show, the tension this season between both sides is intense, especially after this latest reveal.

Just hope Joe/Cameron don't end up yet again like they did before.

Also, did I miss something or are they leaving out Gordon's whole brain trauma from the past seasons? Seems like he's almost better now...

Yeah, they said it was a neurological disorder that manifested itself through stress, but it could be managed. He said in the premiere that he was exercising and staying fit to keep himself in order. And that's it, but it may come up again later.

If I had to give one major criticism through the series, it would be that it just drops storylines and characters really abruptly. It's really weird.
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(09-10-2017, 10:31 PM)

Originally Posted by RatskyWatsky

Oh Cameron, what have you done?

This exact thought was running through my brain when I watched this episode.
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(09-10-2017, 10:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by dead souls

This exact thought was running through my brain when I watched this episode.

To be fair, Bosworth is like a father to her and he was in trouble. Everything else she does gets that kind of response from me though.
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(09-10-2017, 10:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by jerry113

It's almost tragic watching these two groups knowing they're both about to get ambushed by Yahoo / Google

This entire series has been about them losing in one form or another. By directly setting it in the real world, the writers have set an incredibly dramatic stage.
dead souls
(09-10-2017, 11:36 PM)

Originally Posted by Sandfox

To be fair, Bosworth is like a father to her and he was in trouble. Everything else she does gets that kind of response from me though.

Yep, I understand exactly why she did it. I can't wait to see the fallout. It's going to be a sad day when this show is over.

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