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HP_Wuvcraft
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(08-20-2017, 09:48 AM)
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Originally Posted by ApatheticDolphin

Cameron and Joe were underwhelming though.

That phone call was the fucking best scene in the entire series.

Joe finally became a person.
stenbumling
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(08-20-2017, 09:54 AM)
These 2 episodes were pure nostalgia for me. Overwhelmingly so. It seems so far away and still so close to me. I got a feeling I'll enjoy this season the most.
RatskyWatsky
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(08-20-2017, 10:16 AM)
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Superb showing, as usual. The Cameron + Joe phone scenes were among the best that the show has ever done.

Originally Posted by PushTheButtonMax

I liked that Cameron's game, once left idle, did the whole slowly spin the camera around the character thing that used to be so common.

Very nice touch indeed!
RadioHeadAche
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(08-20-2017, 01:28 PM)
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AMC should offer a proper recap for a new season.

Anyway, good opening. There were some nicely shot scenes in this premiere.
btgorman
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(08-20-2017, 02:03 PM)
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What is this show?? It's pretty amazing.
TVexperto
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(08-20-2017, 02:16 PM)
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wow the first 5 minutes with all those time jumps and the synth music were so amazing!
Darth Pinche
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(08-20-2017, 05:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by btgorman

What is this show?? It's pretty amazing.

The previous seasons are on Netflix. You must go watch it.
blanky
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(08-20-2017, 05:12 PM)
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This was a really nice opening, really loved the pace of it and still feeling like you get to know these characters more and that they still have ways to grow. Can't wait till next week.
Human Trashcan
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(08-20-2017, 07:08 PM)
What an amazing premiere. Starting with that long tracking shot that's also a montage and time skip at the same time? Amazing storytelling right there. Then some absolutely gorgeous shots like this

(note how Donna, through the reflection, is on Gordon's side. That's some A+ visual storytelling)

Loved how Cameron and Joe's phone conversation captured that feeling when you're talking to a friend you haven't talked to in ages, just the way they're milling about and doing the things you do when no one is watching.

God this show is great. Glad it's back and getting the send-off it deserves.

Also this is probably the only show I've ever seen that depicts and talks about videogames like it actually knows what it's talking about, and not just in a dumbed-down way to appeal to an audience that has no clue what games are. I really appreciate that.
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(08-20-2017, 07:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by PushTheButtonMax

I liked that Cameron's game, once left idle, did the whole slowly spin the camera around the character thing that used to be so common.

Her entire game design philosophy was just pandering to gaming GAF. Gave me a chuckle. That character would have a huge fan base over here.
near
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(08-20-2017, 07:33 PM)
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Damn I completely forgot about this show, need to recap S3 before I begin watching this.
RS4-
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(08-20-2017, 11:03 PM)
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So good, really enjoyed both eps; and that opening...!

Have to wait another week :(
nampad
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(08-20-2017, 11:27 PM)
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Great start, dislike the fact that Gordon told Donna about Joe's idea though. He should know how important it is to keep ideas close, especially with someone like Donna, who works for a VC company and already competed with them on browsers.

Not sure if I should be happy or not that they skipped the whole browser war thing for a search engine war.
dead souls
(08-20-2017, 11:44 PM)
Amazing premiere.

Originally Posted by RatskyWatsky

Superb showing, as usual. The Cameron + Joe phone scenes were among the best that the show has ever done.

They really were, and they're my least favorite out of the main four.
RS4-
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(08-20-2017, 11:47 PM)
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The thing that got me about the Joe + Cam phone scenes is that it brings back memories of those times where you were in the same situation, falling asleep on the phone, waking up and continuing where you left off.
cubicle47b
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(08-21-2017, 12:05 AM)
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I teared up a little as Joe kept talking after Cameron fell asleep. Good episodes so far.
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(08-21-2017, 11:15 PM)
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https://www.thecut.com/2017/08/ellen...t-excerpt.html

Thought it sorta might be relevant after the boardroom shit Donna had to deal with in the premiere. And last season too.
RastaMentality
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(08-22-2017, 12:41 AM)
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I'm starting the premiere and this long shot with the time skips is stunning. They're still pushing the directorial edge.
Darth Pinche
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(08-22-2017, 01:11 AM)
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Originally Posted by RS4-

The thing that got me about the Joe + Cam phone scenes is that it brings back memories of those times where you were in the same situation, falling asleep on the phone, waking up and continuing where you left off.

It was amazing, During the 90's, my wife and I basically fell in love during such long, late night phone calls. This show has has some personal notes before but not like this!
RastaMentality
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(08-22-2017, 09:41 AM)
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Those Silicon Valley VC guys shutting out that black woman was just super shitty. SV sucks and still does.

Also, the show putting a black female character with a short haircut into the workplace storyline just for the final season is eerily similar to a certain other show lol.
Nightfall
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(08-22-2017, 11:37 AM)
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Only seen the first episode so far, but it's a very strong start. Loved the whole dynamic between Cameron and Joe The whole never ending phone call was great,
followed by the brilliant bathroom brake.


I love this show since the very first episode of the very first season. I never thought they'd make a second season, but now we're at 4. And even though it's the last I'm not mad. It's a great show with a fantastic sense of Zeitgeist and in my opinion one of the most intelligent pieces of TV in the last 10 years.
And I'd rather see it go out on a high note with 4 seasons than drag along like a lot of other shows.
RatskyWatsky
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(08-22-2017, 09:23 PM)
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L + SD Ratings:

Season 1:

Episode 1: 1.19 million
Episode 2: 970K
Episode 3: 765K
Episode 4: 844K
Episode 5: 575K
Episode 6: 717K
Episode 7: ??
Episode 8: 627K
Episode 9: 549K
Episode 10: 574K

Season 2:

Episode 1: 659K
Episode 2: 494K
Episode 3: 452K
Episode 4: 451K
Episode 5: 543K
Episode 6: 558K
Episode 7: 499K
Episode 8: 497K
Episode 9: 588K
Episode 10: 485K

Season 3:

Episodes 1 & 2: 339K
Episode 3: 397K
Episode 4: 312K
Episode 5: 324K
Episode 6: 280K
Episode 7: 307K
Episode 8: 366K
Episode 9: 407K
Episode 10: 287K

Season 4:

Episodes 1 & 2: 340K
Episode 3: 270K
Episode 4: 344K
Episode 5: 313K
Episode 6: 354K
Episode 7: 322K
Episode 8: 327K
jerry113
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(08-22-2017, 09:26 PM)
It's a miracle we got 4 years
PushTheButtonMax
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(08-22-2017, 09:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by RatskyWatsky

L + SD Ratings:

Season 1:

Episode 1: 1.19 million
Episode 2: 970K
Episode 3: 765K
Episode 4: 844K
Episode 5: 575K
Episode 6: 717K
Episode 7: ??
Episode 8: 627K
Episode 9: 549K
Episode 10: 574K

Season 2:

Episode 1: 659K
Episode 2: 494K
Episode 3: 452K
Episode 4: 451K
Episode 5: 543K
Episode 6: 558K
Episode 7: 499K
Episode 8: 497K
Episode 9: 588K
Episode 10: 485K

Season 3:

Episodes 1 & 2: 339K
Episode 3: 397K
Episode 4: 312K
Episode 5: 324K
Episode 6: 280K
Episode 7: 307K
Episode 8: 366K
Episode 9: 407K
Episode 10: 287K

Season 4:

Episodes 1 & 2: 340K

Are you going to post this every week? Because I feel like half the posts in previous threads were people whining about ratings. It's well established that ratings for this show are bad.
HP_Wuvcraft
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(08-22-2017, 10:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by PushTheButtonMax

Are you going to post this every week? Because I feel like half the posts in previous threads were people whining about ratings. It's well established that ratings for this show are bad.

Do you follow sports teams?
Human Trashcan
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(08-22-2017, 10:35 PM)

Originally Posted by RastaMentality

Those Silicon Valley VC guys shutting out that black woman was just super shitty. SV sucks and still does.

Also, the show putting a black female character with a short haircut into the workplace storyline just for the final season is eerily similar to a certain other show lol.

Are you referring to Mad Men? If so I think that was season 6 but I may be misremembering.
PushTheButtonMax
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(08-22-2017, 10:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by HP_Wuvcraft

Do you follow sports teams?

I do indeed, and don't think the correlation you're trying to make works.
RatskyWatsky
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(08-22-2017, 10:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by PushTheButtonMax

Are you going to post this every week? Because I feel like half the posts in previous threads were people whining about ratings. It's well established that ratings for this show are bad.

I will update that post every week, for posterity. People talk about ratings because it interests them, although I suspect that that won't be the case this year because it's the final season and the ratings don't matter.

Originally Posted by Human Trashcan

Are you referring to Mad Men? If so I think that was season 6 but I may be misremembering.

Dawn was introduced in season 5.
kevin1025
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(08-22-2017, 10:43 PM)

Originally Posted by PushTheButtonMax

Are you going to post this every week? Because I feel like half the posts in previous threads were people whining about ratings. It's well established that ratings for this show are bad.

I think it's interesting to see where things lie. Since it's the final year, and we get it no matter what, I don't think there's really any whining to be done about ratings.
Reckless Abandon
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(08-22-2017, 11:17 PM)
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Watched the premiere on demand yesterday and this show remains one of my absolute favorites of all-time. It absolutely nails the 80s/early 90s feel. Set/prop design, clothing, music, lifestyle/family...it's all absolutely on point. Me having a passion for the history of computing and that particular time period makes this pretty much the perfect show for me. Each of the lead actors is brilliant as well.

Sad to see it go, but I'm glad it's going out in it's own terms.
dead souls
(08-23-2017, 12:18 AM)

Originally Posted by RatskyWatsky

Dawn was introduced in season 5.

No she was always here.
RatskyWatsky
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(08-23-2017, 12:31 AM)
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Originally Posted by dead souls

No she was always here.

Are you sure? imdb lists her first episode as 5.3 Tea Leaves.
dead souls
(08-23-2017, 07:02 AM)

Originally Posted by RatskyWatsky

Are you sure? imdb lists her first episode as 5.3 Tea Leaves.

I was making a joke about another show that introduced a character named Dawn in season 5. Buffy the Vampire Slayer
jooey
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(08-23-2017, 07:15 AM)
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I definitely cannot buy Joe's transformation into long-haired shut-in
RatskyWatsky
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(08-23-2017, 08:01 AM)
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Originally Posted by dead souls

I was making a joke about another show that introduced a character named Dawn in season 5. Buffy the Vampire Slayer

ahhhh
RastaMentality
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(08-23-2017, 08:18 AM)
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Originally Posted by Human Trashcan

Are you referring to Mad Men? If so I think that was season 6 but I may be misremembering.

She didn't become an actual character with a storyline until s7. specifically that "A Day's Work" episode.
dead souls
(08-23-2017, 04:00 PM)

Originally Posted by jooey

I definitely cannot buy Joe's transformation into long-haired shut-in

I just love that he looks so '90s. It's perfect.
Human Trashcan
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(08-23-2017, 04:21 PM)

Originally Posted by jooey

I definitely cannot buy Joe's transformation into long-haired shut-in

Joe redefines himself every season though. He's never clung to any identity for long. I think Cameron is the only one with whom he's ever truly felt like himself. He always tried to be what people needed him to be. He was working on the browser because Cameron was working on the browser. He became obsessed with it/her. That metaphor is made clear in the premiere when they're talking in the basement and Cameron says "you want to talk about what we're actually talking about?" (paraphrasing). Like Mad Men, which definitely shaped the initial pilot and most of season 1, this is a show concerned with identity as a concept, and how we let our environments define us as much as we define ourselves.
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(08-23-2017, 04:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by jooey

I definitely cannot buy Joe's transformation into long-haired shut-in

Originally Posted by Human Trashcan

Joe redefines himself every season though. He's never clung to any identity for long. I think Cameron is the only one with whom he's ever truly felt like himself. He always tried to be what people needed him to be. He was working on the browser because Cameron was working on the browser. He became obsessed with it/her. That metaphor is made clear in the premiere when they're talking in the basement and Cameron says "you want to talk about what we're actually talking about?" (paraphrasing). Like Mad Men, which definitely shaped the initial pilot and most of season 1, this is a show concerned with identity as a concept, and how we let our environments define us as much as we define ourselves.

The above answer is good, and I also think that (s3 spoiler) Ryan's death had a lasting impact on him. It really seemed like those two clicked, and Joe could still be struggling with his suicide.
jooey
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(08-23-2017, 07:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by Human Trashcan

Joe redefines himself every season though. He's never clung to any identity for long.

I get it, it's the character. They played with his mystique a lot in S1 & 2. And him being mega-obsessed with a tech thing (and Cameron simultaneously) is expected. I was just saying on a more basic level this is an almost cartoony visual shift, especially the glasses and jacket. And maybe, now that I think of it, the obsessions being expected might be a little too reliable. But y'know only two eps blah blah.
jstripes
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(08-23-2017, 08:13 PM)

Originally Posted by Human Trashcan

(note how Donna, through the reflection, is on Gordon's side. That's some A+ visual storytelling)

Yup, I took that shot as them both realizing the same thing at the same time. The index of the web is the next big thing.

Also, Gordon denying a desperate Boz money right before Donna hooks him up with a job at a competing company is not going to go well for Gordon down the line.
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(08-23-2017, 11:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by HP_Wuvcraft

That phone call was the fucking best scene in the entire series.

Joe finally became a person.

Originally Posted by RS4-

The thing that got me about the Joe + Cam phone scenes is that it brings back memories of those times where you were in the same situation, falling asleep on the phone, waking up and continuing where you left off.

Yeah, the phone call was great. I am sure I wasnt the only one who spent hours on the phone with someone well into the night. It felt very real.

It looks like they are going out with a bang in season 4, the first two episode were really great.
ezekial45
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(08-24-2017, 06:00 AM)
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Originally Posted by HP_Wuvcraft

That phone call was the fucking best scene in the entire series.

Joe finally became a person.

Yeah, those scenes were just incredible. I was legitimately chocked up during the scene where she fell asleep and he stayed on the phone, and I don't say that lightly. That was incredibly sweet and heartfelt.

I'm seriously gonna miss this show when it's gone.
Darth Pinche
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(08-24-2017, 07:04 PM)
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The personality growth that Joe has had over the years is amazing to watch. From the guy who set fire to all those early portable computers just because he was bored and wanted a new challenge to the guy who stays on the line to keep Cameron from being alone all night.

This show is stunning. I still get chills from Ryan's you are not safe speech.
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(08-24-2017, 11:36 PM)
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Regardless of how the rest of the season goes, hacf is probably top 5 all time for me.
Human Trashcan
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(08-25-2017, 12:00 AM)

Originally Posted by RS4-

Regardless of how the rest of the season goes, hacf is probably top 5 all time for me.

Same. The premiere was just incredible.
Eklesp
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(08-25-2017, 03:42 AM)
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Finally caught the new episodes. Love this show so much. I am going to miss it. Feels almost like the show itself and the people in it are like the technology and ideas they have had, slowly fading away.

The last part with Cam and Joe Seemed like the excitement is what draws them and neither of them can handle relationships when normal and mundane . I hope we don't get a sad ending where they are just together and unhappy.
hateradio
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(08-25-2017, 03:57 AM)
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I completely forgot that this series uses a lot of post-color in-correction.

I hate how green and orange and brown everything looks.


Best part of the episode:

Emotionally dependent scarecrow: San Jose is so weird.
Asshole who has a hard-on for train wrecks: It's actually bigger than San Francisco.
Runaway bride if the bride was actually dumped for another woman: Yet it feels so much smaller.


Honestly, I just can't with those two.
Let me disappear for years and shit on our project.

- Okay.

Let me come back and pretend that nothing every happened while I drop some random facts about my trip to Japan.

- Okay. Let me read you things.

- PS. I'm divorcing.

- Okay. Let me drive to San Jose (ugh) to fuck!

Ugh. Stop. Just stop!
Eklesp
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(08-25-2017, 04:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by hateradio

Honestly, I just can't with those two.

Let me disappear for years and shit on our project.

- Okay.

Let me come back and pretend that nothing every happened while I drop some random facts about my trip to Japan.

- Okay. Let me read you things.

- PS. I'm divorcing.

- Okay. Let me drive to San Jose (ugh) to fuck!

Ugh. Stop. Just stop!

Dysfunction, obsessed with the idea of one another. What I think the ending scene portrayed, their realization of that.

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