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woodypop
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(10-01-2017, 08:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cheerilee

It's been forever since I took apart my SNES so I can't remember, but a quick googling seems to suggest that all you have to do is tug on the cable (on the motherboard's end) and it should come out.

I really hate when I get to that sort of point where you're reading instructions and taking something apart, and then something stubborn refuses to cooperate. You end up wondering if maybe you need to apply more force, or if there's a trick to it that the instructions forgot to mention (or maybe you just read them wrong), and more force would break everything.

Yes, not really knowing what I’m doing, I was afraid of breaking something using too much force. Fortunately, (with your help) I realized my mistake was that I was trying to pry the connector off of the board, when all I needed to do was pull the ribbon cable out of the connector. So I finally was able to swap out the controller ports/board with one from another SNES.

Unfortunately, the problem still occurs, so I’m thinking the issue may require a more complex solution. I might be inclined to just return it and get store credit =(

EDIT: I ended up returning it yesterday.
sixteen-bit
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(10-05-2017, 01:35 AM)
It would be cool if they did an MSU-1 CD audio patch for Super Metroid using Luminist's analog synth remixes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGSk6rr1P4A
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(10-05-2017, 12:39 PM)
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There's a Super Castlevania IV MSU-1 patch out there now, and it sounds AMAZING.

https://youtu.be/xWqf-fvZ8fs


Also I just won a copy of Terranigma for the SFC for 10 bucks and I'm pretty excited to finally own that game.
sixteen-bit
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(10-05-2017, 02:20 PM)

Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv

Also I just won a copy of Terranigma for the SFC for 10 bucks and I'm pretty excited to finally own that game.

With the money you saved instead of buying the PAL version, take a trip to Mt. Fuji


https://kotaku.com/oh-hey-its-just-a...uji-1633887474
SKINNER!
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(10-05-2017, 05:52 PM)
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Is there an extensive guide on games that support MSU-1? I'm not specifically looking for roms (naughty!) but more of a "With MSU-1, your game will look/sound like THIS compared to the original version". sixteen-bit's post got me intrigued and then I discovered the Road Avenger port for the SNES which blew my mind. Is it mostly audio updates or do some games have FMV/video upgrades too? I noticed there's a Chrono Trigger where they are trying to incorporate CD quality audio and the PS1 FMVs into the SNES version using MSU-1. Mind blowing stuff if you ask me!
davidwhangchoi
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(10-05-2017, 06:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv

There's a Super Castlevania IV MSU-1 patch out there now, and it sounds AMAZING.

https://youtu.be/xWqf-fvZ8fs

thanks for the link!

i took a listen and didn't the sound stage for 1-2 Simon Belmont Theme music. didn't like the synthesizer choice and dynamics. the bass and drum samples sound over ambient and way in the background.

OST for comparison:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWMN91gMD_4


MSU-1 Simon Belmont Theme:
https://youtu.be/xWqf-fvZ8fs?t=5m1s
Laws00
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(10-05-2017, 07:10 PM)
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Can someone explain to me what the those 4 black button ovals on the super Nintendo represent? Are they the controller buttons?

On the Super Famicom and European model I can see what they are doing with it but the USA model never made any sense to me.




sixteen-bit
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(10-05-2017, 07:47 PM)

Originally Posted by Laws00

Can someone explain to me what the those 4 black button ovals on the super Nintendo represent? Are they the controller buttons?

On the Super Famicom and European model I can see what they are doing with it but the USA model never made any sense to me.

I think they represent the face buttons.
Shin Johnpv
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(10-05-2017, 08:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by SKINNER!

Is there an extensive guide on games that support MSU-1? I'm not specifically looking for roms (naughty!) but more of a "With MSU-1, your game will look/sound like THIS compared to the original version". sixteen-bit's post got me intrigued and then I discovered the Road Avenger port for the SNES which blew my mind. Is it mostly audio updates or do some games have FMV/video upgrades too? I noticed there's a Chrono Trigger where they are trying to incorporate CD quality audio and the PS1 FMVs into the SNES version using MSU-1. Mind blowing stuff if you ask me!

I don't know of any guide or list sorry. Actually maybe on Krikzz forum they might, I believe there's an on going thread there about them. Though any game can be MSU-1ed if you will. Some one has to make it but it can be done to any game. Though I wish people would focus on new ones, there's like almost 10 versions of Link to the Past and some of the FF games. I know Link to the Past and like you said Chrono Trigger had FMVs added to them for cut scenes. I'm not sure off hand if any others do but it can be done.

Super Metroid and Turtles in Time are some of the best ones IMHO.
Shin Johnpv
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(10-05-2017, 08:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Laws00

Can someone explain to me what the those 4 black button ovals on the super Nintendo represent? Are they the controller buttons?

On the Super Famicom and European model I can see what they are doing with it but the USA model never made any sense to me.

It's the 4 face buttons just like the other versions, you can even see the top quarter circle that would be from the purple area around the buttons. The original logo obviously wouldn't work since the US buttons aren't colored the same.
sixteen-bit
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(10-05-2017, 08:31 PM)

Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv

It's the 4 face buttons just like the other versions, you can even see the top quarter circle that would be from the purple area around the buttons. The original logo obviously wouldn't work since the US buttons aren't colored the same.

I wouldn't mind if they kept the same design and replaced the skittles with the lavender and purple, honestly.
BocoDragon
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(10-05-2017, 09:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by Laws00

Can someone explain to me what the those 4 black button ovals on the super Nintendo represent? Are they the controller buttons?

On the Super Famicom and European model I can see what they are doing with it but the USA model never made any sense to me.

Think about how novel 4 face buttons would have been in 1990-1991. I can see why all regions highlighted this in the logo.
Cheerilee
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(10-05-2017, 10:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by sixteen-bit

I wouldn't mind if they kept the same design and replaced the skittles with the lavender and purple, honestly.

The Japanese design is a weird shape, and nobody would even know what it was if it weren't for the skittles colors.

The American design is a simple "four circles, inside a circle", cropped and tilted (mode 7 reference maybe), with scanlines (because NOA could see into the future and saw that the SNES would be the ultimate retro console, demanding a CRT).
Laws00
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(10-06-2017, 12:46 AM)
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Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv

It's the 4 face buttons just like the other versions, you can even see the top quarter circle that would be from the purple area around the buttons. The original logo obviously wouldn't work since the US buttons aren't colored the same.

I see it. Honestly it just went over my head. I always looked at the thing and wondered what the hell these things were for
ResidentDante
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(10-06-2017, 08:29 AM)
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Originally Posted by Laws00

Can someone explain to me what the those 4 black button ovals on the super Nintendo represent? Are they the controller buttons?

On the Super Famicom and European model I can see what they are doing with it but the USA model never made any sense to me.

They're kind of lost in translation making them black like that I agree. They should at least have been made purple like they actually were on controller.
D.Lo
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(10-06-2017, 09:36 AM)
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Originally Posted by Laws00

Can someone explain to me what the those 4 black button ovals on the super Nintendo represent? Are they the controller buttons?

On the Super Famicom and European model I can see what they are doing with it but the USA model never made any sense to me.

The JP logo is referencing that there are two new buttons above the 'normal' two. The 2X2 button layout was revolutionary in 1990. The PC Engine had a straight Famicom controller (aka 1983 design) ripoff, and the Mega Drive essentially did too, adding a third action button in a line and a start button only got it up to Famicom spec (Sega spent the whole 8-bit era one step behind Nintendo in controller designs)

They took the concept of adding a second row of buttons and made it clear in the logo. It also implies '3D' to a certain extent as the top two buttons are 'raised' in 3D - because 3D elements were one of the Super Famicom's points of difference, with the mode 7 stuff and plans for more things.

The four colours are also intricately woven into the system's design and packaging. The four sides of the box march the four colours of the buttons, and even the design on the top is a drawing of the console in lines of those colours. Many games factor the colours into their designs as well, eg the menus in Zelda are colour coded.

The US design takes the idea of the four buttons, and mixes it up with some late 80s 'rad dudes' imagery. The four buttons in a circle is stretched/elongated and cropped to imply 'non-conformist attitude'. It also has the grey lines, orange dots and turquoise square 'random shapes and lines and patterns on a black background' thing, designed to imply 'zany movement' - pretty standard 80s stuff, google image search '80s logo' and see many things with a similar aesthetic in more exaggerated form. But it didn't go too far, it was just on the edges of an otherwise standard presentation of technology (like home computers) thing.

Just like the console design itself, the American box and logo was late 80s 'rad' zeitgeist stuff. But IMO it kind of missed the mark by only getting halfway there - Sega did the same 'badass attitude' thing but better (worse?). Whoever chose purple buttons, it just makes no sense.

Whereas the Super Fami is more of a 'fun but high quality family edutainment' look. In Japan they the cute 'minimalist but fun' box. In Australia/Europe it was sort of a middle ground they made it even more bland like a home PC box, but kept the design and logo of the Japanese one.
Laws00
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(10-06-2017, 01:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by D.Lo

The JP logo is referencing that there are two new buttons above the 'normal' two. The 2X2 button layout was revolutionary in 1990. The PC Engine had a straight Famicom controller (aka 1983 design) ripoff, and the Mega Drive essentially did too, adding a third action button in a line and a start button only got it up to Famicom spec (Sega spent the whole 8-bit era one step behind Nintendo in controller designs)

They took the concept of adding a second row of buttons and made it clear in the logo. It also implies '3D' to a certain extent as the top two buttons are 'raised' in 3D - because 3D elements were one of the Super Famicom's points of difference, with the mode 7 stuff and plans for more things.

The four colours are also intricately woven into the system's design and packaging. The four sides of the box march the four colours of the buttons, and even the design on the top is a drawing of the console in lines of those colours. Many games factor the colours into their designs as well, eg the menus in Zelda are colour coded.

The US design takes the idea of the four buttons, and mixes it up with some late 80s 'rad dudes' imagery. The four buttons in a circle is stretched/elongated and cropped to imply 'non-conformist attitude'. It also has the grey lines, orange dots and turquoise square 'random shapes and lines and patterns on a black background' thing, designed to imply 'zany movement' - pretty standard 80s stuff, google image search '80s logo' and see many things with a similar aesthetic in more exaggerated form. But it didn't go too far, it was just on the edges of an otherwise standard presentation of technology (like home computers) thing.

Just like the console design itself, the American box and logo was late 80s 'rad' zeitgeist stuff. But IMO it kind of missed the mark by only getting halfway there - Sega did the same 'badass attitude' thing but better (worse?). Whoever chose purple buttons, it just makes no sense.

Whereas the Super Fami is more of a 'fun but high quality family edutainment' look. In Japan they the cute 'minimalist but fun' box. In Australia/Europe it was sort of a middle ground they made it even more bland like a home PC box, but kept the design and logo of the Japanese one.

GOD DAMN! Thank you Mister Historian

This is what I want to see, read and learn about!

I can totally see the 80s chic look going into a early 90s on the box design
dubc35
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(10-06-2017, 03:22 PM)
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yo Seattle peeps, hop on this so I'm not temped to buy it:

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/v...329150061.html

$200 for SNES, FFIII (with box in meh condition), and Chrono Trigger.
SKINNER!
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(10-06-2017, 03:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv

I don't know of any guide or list sorry. Actually maybe on Krikzz forum they might, I believe there's an on going thread there about them. Though any game can be MSU-1ed if you will. Some one has to make it but it can be done to any game. Though I wish people would focus on new ones, there's like almost 10 versions of Link to the Past and some of the FF games. I know Link to the Past and like you said Chrono Trigger had FMVs added to them for cut scenes. I'm not sure off hand if any others do but it can be done.

Super Metroid and Turtles in Time are some of the best ones IMHO.

Cheers bud :) Maybe I can create an extensive list by researching it, finding the best ones and posting it on here. I think I got a free weekend coming up. Will cross-check it with a mod if I can include links since they are patches.
socksfelloff
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(10-07-2017, 12:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by Laws00

GOD DAMN! Thank you Mister Historian

This is what I want to see, read and learn about!

I can totally see the 80s chic look going into a early 90s on the box design


You should check out his site, it's fantastic! https://nintendosegajapan.com


Rock n roll racing has the best msu-1 patch
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(10-07-2017, 07:30 PM)
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wrong thred...
Laws00
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(10-07-2017, 09:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by socksfelloff

You should check out his site, it's fantastic! https://nintendosegajapan.com


Rock n roll racing has the best msu-1 patch

thank you i will give a look
Laws00
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(10-07-2017, 09:05 PM)
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bam

Shin Johnpv
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(10-08-2017, 07:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by SKINNER!

Cheers bud :) Maybe I can create an extensive list by researching it, finding the best ones and posting it on here. I think I got a free weekend coming up. Will cross-check it with a mod if I can include links since they are patches.

No problem. The MSU1 stuff was the main reason I went SD2SNES over the Super Everdrive, its really awesome stuff.
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(10-09-2017, 12:48 AM)
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ResidentDante
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(10-09-2017, 09:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by sixteen-bit

With the money you saved instead of buying the PAL version, take a trip to Mt. Fuji


https://kotaku.com/oh-hey-its-just-a...uji-1633887474

It's the only way I play; on mountain tops. The Mega Drive needs to top this: anybody ready for K2 or Everest?
IrishNinja
(10-09-2017, 11:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by dubc35

yo Seattle peeps, hop on this so I'm not temped to buy it:

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/v...329150061.html

$200 for SNES, FFIII (with box in meh condition), and Chrono Trigger.

no way this thing isn't already sold!

Originally Posted by Laws00

bam

congrats man, it's not for everyone/ever genre but i loved mine, right until my dumb puppy bit the end of it off...i still need to learn how to reconnect those wires!
dubc35
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(10-12-2017, 11:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by IrishNinja

no way this thing isn't already sold!



congrats man, it's not for everyone/ever genre but i loved mine, right until my dumb puppy bit the end of it off...i still need to learn how to reconnect those wires!

I know, right? I tried and failed...to get someone to buy it. So I bought it.

I now have two SNES's and two FFIII's, but I got Chrono Trigger so I think it's worth it. I'll probably sell the SNES and FFIII as well to recoup some of the costs.
sixteen-bit
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(10-13-2017, 12:51 AM)

Originally Posted by dubc35

I know, right? I tried and failed...to get someone to buy it. So I bought it.

I now have two SNES's and two FFIII's, but I got Chrono Trigger so I think it's worth it. I'll probably sell the SNES and FFIII as well to recoup some of the costs.

lol
dubc35
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(10-13-2017, 02:48 AM)
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Originally Posted by sixteen-bit

lol

It was the first time I checked CL for anything gaming (besides CRTs of course) in months. It was lost in a sea of SNES classics and Switches. At that price point I'm sure many balked; deal I couldn't pass up the longer it went on lol.
SKINNER!
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(10-13-2017, 10:51 AM)
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Originally Posted by dubc35

It was the first time I checked CL for anything gaming (besides CRTs of course) in months. It was lost in a sea of SNES classics and Switches. At that price point I'm sure many balked; deal I couldn't pass up the longer it went on lol.

Nice one! Wish I could get a good deal like that on my local listing. Last one I had was around 2014 when I picked up Chrono Cross for 5.
davidwhangchoi
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(10-15-2017, 03:32 AM)
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hey snesGAF,
double dipped and picked up a CIB punch out:



Stumpokapow
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(10-15-2017, 04:32 AM)
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Speak of the devil, next SNES Classic Club thread is up -- click to go there

TeaJay
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(10-15-2017, 07:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by SKINNER!

Is there an extensive guide on games that support MSU-1? I'm not specifically looking for roms (naughty!) but more of a "With MSU-1, your game will look/sound like THIS compared to the original version". sixteen-bit's post got me intrigued and then I discovered the Road Avenger port for the SNES which blew my mind. Is it mostly audio updates or do some games have FMV/video upgrades too? I noticed there's a Chrono Trigger where they are trying to incorporate CD quality audio and the PS1 FMVs into the SNES version using MSU-1. Mind blowing stuff if you ask me!

I think the MSU-1 patches are one of the best reasons to justify getting a SD2SNES. I've been playing around with various patches and IMO the Link to the Past one is superb and Super Metroid one is also very good.

I tested a few new ones, Super G'n'G sounds nice as does Super Castlevania IV but I definitely agree with crazy percussions. The later stage themes sound a lot better though, so if you try that one don't judge it on that first level music alone.

The Chrono Trigger MSU is also very nice even if you don't buy the Square-licensed FLAC soundtrack. There's a free option too which is excellent. I'm not quite sure what's going on with the (intro) FMV's, since there's a big-ass BETA sign on the middle of the screen in my version, I guess it's the same for everyone as long as they get it finished!

It's great what these flashcarts can allow people to do these days.
davidwhangchoi
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(10-15-2017, 08:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by Stumpokapow

Speak of the devil, next SNES Classic Club thread is up -- click to go there

i'll join you guys this week =)
Morfeo
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(10-16-2017, 02:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by Stumpokapow

Speak of the devil, next SNES Classic Club thread is up -- click to go there

Ive never played this, so definitely interested in joining this time. Just need to find the box where my complete Snes-games are stored lol. I am moving in a few weeks so its packed away right now, but shouldnt be so hard to find this game.
the androgyne
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(10-19-2017, 10:42 AM)
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This is missing it's manual, but for just 765 yen posted from Yahoo Auctions i'm pleased to have this back in my collection. Seems like a score anytime you get a Konami game from this era for less than 50 bucks!

SKINNER!
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Originally Posted by TeaJay

The Chrono Trigger MSU is also very nice even if you don't buy the Square-licensed FLAC soundtrack. There's a free option too which is excellent. I'm not quite sure what's going on with the (intro) FMV's, since there's a big-ass BETA sign on the middle of the screen in my version, I guess it's the same for everyone as long as they get it finished!

Yeah, Its the same on my version of Chrono Trigger too but I have seen youtube videos (obtained from twitch streams) that clearly shows the MSU-1 version of Chrono Trigger with the intro that doesn't have the big BETA sign on it. The person must've swapped out the video file or there is another version of the MSU-1 version kicking around somewhere. Still, Great to see someone taking the time to develop the SNES version with PS1 audio and video.

Had a chance to play around with the MSU-1 functionality on the SD2SNES and the stuff is jaw-dropping to say the least. Getting FMV and CD quality audio out of a SNES games is magic. Just absolutely incredible.

My highlights:-

Road Avenger (or whatever its called) runs smoothly and I feel its a little easier than the Sega CD version.

Chrono Trigger is pretty nice and the enhanced music improves it.

F-Zero with the Guitar Arrange mix - Oh yes!!!

Rock and Roll Racing - Still prefer the 16-bit renditions but seeing it with the enhanced audio was sweet.

I saw footage of Zelda and it looked great too.

Only thing I didn't like was the TMNT enchanced audio. That intro music is god-awful hahaha.

Overall, I'm pretty impressed and hope that the community is big enough to create something special with the MSU-1 capabilities. The only thing I came across was a Link to the Past hack that featured conker....weird.
tomwhite2004
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(10-19-2017, 02:23 PM)

Originally Posted by the androgyne

This is missing it's manual, but for just 765 yen posted from Yahoo Auctions i'm pleased to have this back in my collection. Seems like a score anytime you get a Konami game from this era for less than 50 bucks!

One of the highlights of my childhood, LOVED that game!

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