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Laughing Banana
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(08-09-2012, 04:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by Figboy79

You'd think people have never seen youtube tags that reference similar material to snag possibly interested people.

If some folks are looking up Smash stuff, and some PBR stuff pops up, who knows, maybe they'll give it a look or ignore it. It seems like this is being blown out of proportion because it's Sony, and it's just oh so hilarious to mock Sony every chance they get.

You don't think the YouTube tag was hilarious and deserving a mockery? "Reference similar material" is a nice way of putting it, though, hahaha.
Figboy79
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(08-09-2012, 04:17 AM)
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Originally Posted by Jackben

If people are so certain it's a rip off and a fail, why would one meaner article be cause for any reaction whatsoever? Why even post? It's almost as if people are scared...

For some reason, people really do seem threatened by the game potentially being really good, and whenever more articles crop up stating that the game is, indeed, really good, and also different enough from Smash to be worth a shot, they dismiss it as "well, Sony is buying positive press!"

It's absurd. I mean, why would people want a game that's trying to be as fun as Smash to suck? Considering how long it's been since Brawl was released, I'd imagine that they'd be more intrigued by a similar game that could tide them over. PBR isn't going to steal Smash fans away from Smash. But it may certainly scratch a particular itch they have when they aren't in the mood for Brawl, or want to play something with solid online.

If PBR is good (and it certainly is for me), that's not going to somehow diminish Smash's quality retroactively. I just don't understand the intense hatred this game is getting, ESPECIALLY from many people that haven't even played it.

EDIT: @ Laughing Banana: No, I don't think the youtube tag was "hilarious." It was a tag. On a video. Of a game that shares inspiration and similarities with Smash Bros. I understand why people are mocking it. I just think it's childish and silly. This isn't $599 US dollars levels of insanity that deserve memes and mocking. If having that Smash Bros tag somehow got people to look into PBR because of their interest in Smash (and knowing that the next one is still a ways off), I don't see what's so bad about it. Personally, I like to know about games that are similar to games that I'm a big fan of. I've been looking for more games like Monster Hunter and Gods Eater Burst since I was turned onto those games by GAF, so if a tag for something like that cropped up while I was searching Gods Eater, then I'd be happy to have stumbled across it.
Snowden's Secret
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(08-09-2012, 04:19 AM)

Originally Posted by Figboy79

Apparently, Nintendo is some kind of sacred cow in the industry, and if anything even remotely resembles something they've created and made successful, it's a shameless ripoff and should be smote from the world with the vengeance of a thousand suns.

Not only do you keep misrepresenting the criticisms (this time with straw men!) but Super Sony Bros bears a little more than a 'remote resemblance' to the original.

Again (all together now!) the issue isn't that Sony made a crossover mascot game or made a 2D 4-player party brawler, it's that Sony made a crossover mascot 2D 4-player party brawler. That's pretty specific. On top of that, Sony used almost every visual element from SSB that they could find. As just a rough example, why are player 'health bars' at the bottom of the screen instead of the top? The genre standard is at the top. But guess who is at the bottom?
Parallax
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(08-09-2012, 04:22 AM)
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Originally Posted by Snowden's Secret

Not only do you keep misrepresenting the criticisms (this time with straw men!) but Super Sony Bros bears a little more than a 'remote resemblance' to the original.

Again (all together now!) the issue isn't that Sony made a crossover mascot game or made a 2D 4-player party brawler, it's that Sony made a crossover mascot 2D 4-player party brawler. That's pretty specific. On top of that, Sony used almost every visual element from SSB that they could find. As just a rough example, why are player 'health bars' at the bottom of the screen instead of the top? The genre standard is at the top. But guess who is at the bottom?

Are you being serious with all of of this? Health bars?
Drago
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(08-09-2012, 04:23 AM)
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This thread is going nowhere fast
Snowden's Secret
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(08-09-2012, 04:23 AM)

Originally Posted by Parallax

Are you being serious with all of of this? Health bars?

You'll notice that I put that in quotes?
Laughing Banana
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(08-09-2012, 04:24 AM)
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Originally Posted by Figboy79

EDIT: No, I don't think the youtube tag was "hilarious." It was a tag. On a video. Of a game that shares inspiration and similarities with Smash Bros. I understand why people are mocking it. I just think it's childish and silly. This isn't $599 US dollars levels of insanity that deserve memes and mocking. If having that Smash Bros tag somehow got people to look into PBR because of their interest in Smash (and knowing that the next one is still a ways off), I don't see what's so bad about it.

Yes it was just a tag, and yes it was a video, but it was done on the official Sony's YouTube channel, not the channel of some random dude. And the bolded above was interesting; so basically it's free for all then? Companies can liberally use other people's brand to promote their own stuff?

I mean, using other people's brand to draw attention to your own without permission is something that you 'dont see what's so bad about it'?
Ploid 3.0
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(08-09-2012, 04:26 AM)
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It's the internet, you use whatever you can to spread the word. Using tags on youtube isn't a breach of copyright, yet. At least they didn't pull a Saints Row 2 "Would You Rather" trailer comparing it to GTA4. That was a awesome trailer. Darnit GTA4 :(
Jackben
(08-09-2012, 04:27 AM)
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Here's some constructive tips:

Why don't you guys boycott the game and sign an online petition? While you're at it you should submit a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. Or you could follow Kamiya's mature lead and throw a tantrum on Twitter...

Meanwhile rational fans of Smash Bros and Sony alike will await the release of a potentially excellent mascot brawler.
Laughing Banana
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(08-09-2012, 04:30 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ploid 3.0

It's the internet, you use whatever you can to spread the word. Using tags on youtube isn't a breach of copyright, yet. At least they didn't pull a Saints Row 2 "Would You Rather" trailer comparing it to GTA4. That was a awesome trailer. Darnit GTA4 :(

Probably.

That didn't mean it wasn't funny when it happened though. And a bit sad as well.
Snowden's Secret
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(08-09-2012, 04:36 AM)

Originally Posted by Jackben

Here's some constructive tips to channel the rage and fear:

Why don't you guys boycott the game and sign an online petition? While you're at it you should submit a complaint with the Better Business Bureau instead of throwing a tantrum on Twitter...

Meanwhile rational fans of Smash Bros and Sony alike will await the release of a potentially excellent mascot brawler.

What...?

I think Super Sony Bros is one of the most blatant, gross examples of creative bankruptcy in video games this side of Zynga.

That doesn't mean I think it shouldn't exist. In fact, I'm excited to play it, will buy it Day 1, and have a blast with bros. Just because it's fun, or I want to play it, doesn't exclude my brain from working. It's a very blatant rip-off/cash grab on Sony's part. But I'm sure Super Bot is working their hardest to make a good game, an endeavor I'm sure they'll achieve.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, and is made by Sony, Sony probably copied it from Nintendo's duck that's a joke, laugh

That said, we're all going to look back on this thread in a couple years and feel embarrassed that we posted in it. Have a good night everybody!!
aeolist
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(08-09-2012, 04:37 AM)
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Personally I don't hate it because it's a rip-off, I hate it because it's visually bland and uninteresting, the animations are PS2 budget game-level, it seems to be at least partly a vehicle for marketing upcoming games, all the stuff that's actually different from Smash Bros look like changes for the worse, and they're so desperately trying to convince everyone that it's totally legit guys seriously we hired all these FGC people after all the design work was done that means it's going to be balanced and tournament ready also let's push it at Evo when nobody really cares.
KongRudi
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(08-09-2012, 04:38 AM)
Why is Hideki using Twitter wich is just a internet-ripoff of cell-phone SMS-texting? :P
The important question is not if it's a ripoff or not, it's; - is PS All-stas any fun?
aeolist
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(08-09-2012, 04:40 AM)
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Although I totally respect Kamiya's reasons for hating it because he's coming at it from the perspective of an artist who designs games so disliking obvious clones is completely understandable.
butter_stick
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(08-09-2012, 04:54 AM)
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Originally Posted by KongRudi

Why is Hideki using Twitter wich is just a internet-ripoff of cell-phone SMS-texting? :P
The important question is not if it's a ripoff or not, it's; - is PS All-stas any fun?

Is a fun video game more important than dignity and respect?

There's more important issues at stake here
Parallax
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(08-09-2012, 05:32 AM)
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Originally Posted by butter_stick

Is a fun video game more important than dignity and respect?

There's more important issues at stake here

Man, I almost took you seriously.
blitzcloud
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(08-09-2012, 05:41 AM)
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Originally Posted by Snowden's Secret

What...?

I think Super Sony Bros is one of the most blatant, gross examples of creative bankruptcy in video games this side of Zynga.

That's like, your opinion.

Gears of War gameplay clones are the true culprit of what youre saying there. First because they made it the gamestyle of the generation. Second because hardly any tried to improve the formula in any way. In fact, many of them played worse. Uncharted did it right, in my opinion, by adding the overall smooth feeling and combining it with vertical action.

Originally Posted by aeolist

Personally I don't hate it because it's a rip-off, I hate it because it's visually bland and uninteresting, the animations are PS2 budget game-level, it seems to be at least partly a vehicle for marketing upcoming games, all the stuff that's actually different from Smash Bros look like changes for the worse, and they're so desperately trying to convince everyone that it's totally legit guys seriously we hired all these FGC people after all the design work was done that means it's going to be balanced and tournament ready also let's push it at Evo when nobody really cares.

So the animations are comparable to SSBB? Considering the brawl animations are pretty much like the last generation SSB.
Boss Doggie
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(08-09-2012, 07:57 AM)
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Originally Posted by blitzcloud

So the animations are comparable to SSBB? Considering the brawl animations are pretty much like the last generation SSB.

wat
Drago
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(08-09-2012, 07:58 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ookami-kun

wat

Stop bumping this thread please

Please
CambriaRising
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(08-09-2012, 08:00 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ookami-kun

wat

Seriously? You needed to bump it for this? Let it die, for fucks sake.

Edit:Beaten
Phife Dawg
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(08-09-2012, 08:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by KongRudi

Why is Hideki using Twitter wich is just a internet-ripoff of cell-phone SMS-texting? :P
The important question is not if it's a ripoff or not, it's; - is PS All-stas any fun?

That's not the important question to HK, which is who this thread is all about. But according to this here thread he is just a bit of an overrated asshole riding Nintendo's phallus while showing off this anti-Sony bias so we might just forget about him I guess.

Originally Posted by Urvan

It's out of my hand, I didn't mean to begien this flame guys :(....the forest of friendship is gonna burn to the ground now....one last thing! BURN,BURN!

What's with the latest batch of attention craving juniors that try desperately to be funny?
Boogybro
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(08-09-2012, 02:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by Figboy79

For some reason, people really do seem threatened by the game potentially being really good, and whenever more articles crop up stating that the game is, indeed, really good, and also different enough from Smash to be worth a shot, they dismiss it as "well, Sony is buying positive press!"

It's absurd. I mean, why would people want a game that's trying to be as fun as Smash to suck? Considering how long it's been since Brawl was released, I'd imagine that they'd be more intrigued by a similar game that could tide them over. PBR isn't going to steal Smash fans away from Smash. But it may certainly scratch a particular itch they have when they aren't in the mood for Brawl, or want to play something with solid online.

If PBR is good (and it certainly is for me), that's not going to somehow diminish Smash's quality retroactively. I just don't understand the intense hatred this game is getting, ESPECIALLY from many people that haven't even played it.

EDIT: @ Laughing Banana: No, I don't think the youtube tag was "hilarious." It was a tag. On a video. Of a game that shares inspiration and similarities with Smash Bros. I understand why people are mocking it. I just think it's childish and silly. This isn't $599 US dollars levels of insanity that deserve memes and mocking. If having that Smash Bros tag somehow got people to look into PBR because of their interest in Smash (and knowing that the next one is still a ways off), I don't see what's so bad about it. Personally, I like to know about games that are similar to games that I'm a big fan of. I've been looking for more games like Monster Hunter and Gods Eater Burst since I was turned onto those games by GAF, so if a tag for something like that cropped up while I was searching Gods Eater, then I'd be happy to have stumbled across it.

Oh my...
Boss Doggie
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(08-09-2012, 02:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by Drago

Stop bumping this thread please

Please


Originally Posted by CambriaRising

Seriously? You needed to bump it for this? Let it die, for fucks sake.

Edit:Beaten

Actually the gap was just an hour, and by replying with my post you pretty much bumped them too :P

We need sage posting.
Bluemercury
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(08-09-2012, 02:40 PM)
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It reflects the current state of Sony quite frankly...
Hyuga
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(08-09-2012, 02:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by Bluemercury

It reflects the current state of Sony quite frankly...

Developing awesome games?
I agree ;)
blitzcloud
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(08-09-2012, 02:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ookami-kun

Actually the gap was just an hour, and by replying with my post you pretty much bumped them too :P

We need sage posting.

more like two hours. Still dont get your wat.

Dude talks about ps2 animation quality, which was the same generation of gamecube, which had SSBM, from which SSBB takes some animations for sure, even if many are slightly tweaked to make some characters less clony. So what I was asking if he meant that it was on par with SSBB animations in a sarcastic way.
Bluemercury
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(08-09-2012, 02:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hyuga

Developing awesome games?
I agree ;)

Specially for PS Vita...
rvy
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(08-09-2012, 02:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hyuga

Developing awesome games?
I agree ;)

Originally Posted by Bluemercury

Specially for PS Vita...

Boss Doggie
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(08-09-2012, 03:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by blitzcloud

more like two hours. Still dont get your wat.

Dude talks about ps2 animation quality, which was the same generation of gamecube, which had SSBM, from which SSBB takes some animations for sure, even if many are slightly tweaked to make some characters less clony. So what I was asking if he meant that it was on par with SSBB animations in a sarcastic way.

His post doesn't really make sense, but if by "animation quality" you mean how the characters move and whatnot, Brawl definitely made them more fluid and less... stiff. Characters have idle animations now, etc.
Figboy79
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(08-09-2012, 05:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by Laughing Banana

Yes it was just a tag, and yes it was a video, but it was done on the official Sony's YouTube channel, not the channel of some random dude. And the bolded above was interesting; so basically it's free for all then? Companies can liberally use other people's brand to promote their own stuff?

I mean, using other people's brand to draw attention to your own without permission is something that you 'dont see what's so bad about it'?

How is that any different some Soda companies or Fast Food companies name dropping the competition to make their own shit look good?

At least in this case, Sony isn't putting down Smash by using that tag, they are simply using the established brand name of Smash to draw attention to something similar. So, yeah, I see nothing crazy, radical, or bad about it.
News Bot
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(08-09-2012, 05:41 PM)
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Is this crap still going?
Rand6
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(08-09-2012, 05:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by rvy


Uncharted, Minna no golf, Wipeout and Gravity Daze are all great.
AgentP
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(08-09-2012, 06:04 PM)
This thread boils down to Nintendo fans thinking they have a monopoly on a whole genre and are insulted by the mere concept of a similar game? So then they lash out by insulting the game they never played and the company that made it? Wow, mature.

What is next, attack the next FPS game for copying Doom? Get over it children, other people can make game genres that Mario has been in, boo hoo.
Man-is-Obsolete
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(08-09-2012, 06:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by AgentP

This thread boils down to Nintendo fans thinking they have a monopoly on a whole genre and are insulted by the mere concept of a similar game? So then they lash out by insulting the game they never played and the company that made it? Wow, mature.

What is next, attack the next FPS game for copying Doom? Get over it children, other people can make game genres that Mario has been in, boo hoo.

You hear that? That's the sound of 10 keyboards typing a respnse to this.

If this thread won't die then I will use this as another place to request Kat for this game. Please superbot.
Drago
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(08-09-2012, 06:12 PM)
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This thread really should have just ended at page 36
MoogleWizard
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(08-09-2012, 06:13 PM)
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Has someone sent Kamiya a link to this thread yet and told him he's "riding the phallus of Nintendo"? I doubt he gives a flying fuck but I'd like to see his reaction. ;-)
7threst
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(08-09-2012, 06:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by MoogleWizard

Has someone sent Kamiya a link to this thread yet and told him he's "riding the phallus of Nintendo"? I doubt he gives a flying fuck but I'd like to see his reaction. ;-)

yes, it has been sended to him:




Originally Posted by AgentP

This thread boils down to Nintendo fans thinking they have a monopoly on a whole genre and are insulted by the mere concept of a similar game? So then they lash out by insulting the game they never played and the company that made it? Wow, mature.

What is next, attack the next FPS game for copying Doom? Get over it children, other people can make game genres that Mario has been in, boo hoo.

You sound bitter.
butter_stick
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(08-09-2012, 06:19 PM)
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Why do people want threads to "die"? Just leave if you are upset.
Metalmurphy
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Originally Posted by Bluemercury

Specially for PS Vita...

This one is for Vita as well.
10k
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(08-09-2012, 06:51 PM)
It's been awhile since I've visited the thread, let's take a look.

klausbert
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(01-01-2013, 04:44 AM)
I love hideko kajiama. Metal gear Solid rulez!
IntelliHeath
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(01-01-2013, 04:45 AM)
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Originally Posted by klausbert

I love hideko kajiama. Metal gear Solid rulez!

that was random...

Originally Posted by klausbert

I love hideko kajiama. Metal gear Solid rulez!

I can't imagine a female Hideki Kamiya....
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Originally Posted by klausbert

I love hideko kajiama. Metal gear Solid rulez!

Right.

Great thread. We should do this again sometime.
QisTopTier
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(01-01-2013, 04:46 AM)

Originally Posted by IntelliHeath

that was random...

The fuck was the point of this bump?
antitrop
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(01-01-2013, 04:47 AM)
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Oh, I remember this thread.

Why the hell was it bumped about Metal Gear?
The Grim Heaper
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EDIT: well that failed
klausbert
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(01-01-2013, 04:47 AM)
Don't you like hideko Kojima? MeagMan was the best
zroid
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(01-01-2013, 04:47 AM)
new years eve drunk bump

inb4lock
IntelliHeath
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(01-01-2013, 04:48 AM)
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Originally Posted by QisTopTier

The fuck was the point of this bump?

I dunno.

It was not me whom bumped this thread

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