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Neon_Icarus
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(03-30-2012, 10:57 AM)
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It looks like NOE made a new trailer featuring all their recent
RPG/adventure games. Xenoblade is after Zelda.

Only two more weeks until Pandora's Tower... :)
braves01
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(03-30-2012, 11:02 AM)
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How hard is this? I want to get on the band wagon because of all the good buzz, but I don't want to put dozens of hours into a game that I get too frustrated to actually finish.
Alrus
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(03-30-2012, 11:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by braves01

How hard is this? I want to get on the band wagon because of all the good buzz, but I don't want to put dozens of hours into a game that I get too frustrated to actually finish.

If you do sidequest, the main story is piss easy. The real challenges comes from optional boss monsters and named monsters when they're higher level than you.
Gambit
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(03-30-2012, 11:14 AM)
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Originally Posted by braves01

How hard is this? I want to get on the band wagon because of all the good buzz, but I don't want to put dozens of hours into a game that I get too frustrated to actually finish.

There are two difficulty spikes in the main storyline (if you completely ignore sidequests, as I did). You can overcome them with a better tactic and maybe minimal grinding (20 mins).

If you do sidequests, I understand there won't be any problems at all with the main storyline.

Two of my friends got too frustrated to finish the game, as you feared, but difficulty is not the reason.

They both tried to do all the sidequests and simply got burnt out. It's important to find your own pace. Generally, the ideal for most people will probably be "Do some sidequests, but not all of them".
mclem
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(03-30-2012, 11:20 AM)
If you have a completionist attitude - and a hacked Wii - there's an Oracle code which reduces the XP reward from quests, which should mean you can do all the quests at a level that's relevant without being massively overlevelled as a result.

I ran that code from about L25 to about L60, then started to feel like I was falling behind a little.
anaron
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(03-30-2012, 11:23 AM)
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Originally Posted by mclem

This. If anyone wants a sneak preview of the Doctor's next companion, you've got it right there.

:O :O :O

:Q
Tenck
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(03-30-2012, 11:32 AM)
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Honestly can't wait for this. Unfortunately my order is on backorder from Nintendo, and don't know when I'll be getting it :/
-tetsuo-
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(03-30-2012, 11:36 AM)
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First Wii game I will have bought Since Monster Hunter Tri. I hope it lives up to the MASSIVE hype.
RPGCrazied
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(03-30-2012, 11:55 AM)
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Hope you guys enjoy it. Best 95 hours I've spent with a game. I can only think of one boss that drove me crazy, other than that, not that hard. Just do quests. :)
Anasui Kishibe
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(03-30-2012, 12:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by Orgun

Man I should really finish this. I got to a dark swampy area and just lost interest.

Satori Marsh?

you're like at the third area out of 40. Play it dammit!
Spiffy_1st
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(03-30-2012, 12:06 PM)
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I really hope the hype doesn't destroy peoples opinions, it's a great game that people will enjoy but it's not that great. Especially the side quests, man they're dull. But then there's no need to do them as you level way too quick and the game is long enough without them.
chaosblade
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(03-30-2012, 12:07 PM)
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Subscribed and prepared to answer questions that are probably already answered in the OP/extended FAQ.

Fantastic game.
Tess3ract
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(03-30-2012, 12:08 PM)

Originally Posted by Fidelis Hodie

More than that, I think. The damn RPG is incredible.

I thought it was better than Skyrim and all jrpgs in the last 10 years, easily.
Dragonzord
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(03-30-2012, 12:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by Tess3ract

I thought it was better than Skyrim and all jrpgs in the last 10 years, easily.

I played a little of it at my friends. It's the first rpg since DA:O to make me want to keep playing it after the first couple of hours. Fun combat system.
It's Reyn Time!
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(03-30-2012, 12:18 PM)
To all of those who've managed to stay spoiler-free and are heading into this for the first time, enjoy. It really is a brilliant game and I hate you for getting to experience it for the first time.
Sadist
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(03-30-2012, 12:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by It's Reyn Time!

To all of those who've managed to stay spoiler-free and are heading into this for the first time, enjoy. It really is a brilliant game and I hate you for getting to experience it for the first time.

Epic user name!
wrowa
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(03-30-2012, 12:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by zoner

So, JP or EU voices are both fine, right? I'm trying to decide which to go with. I really want dat Wakamoto.

The English dub is easily superior in my opinion, tbh.
kiryogi
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(03-30-2012, 12:27 PM)
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Better question is if they kept the British dub or do we get some JYB :lawlz:
Electivirus
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(03-30-2012, 12:27 PM)
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Already imported the game, but I'll be starting a new playthrough on launch day. I've only made it about 20 hours into the game anyways and haven't played in months. May as well be new for me. xD
thebeeks
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(03-30-2012, 12:39 PM)
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Imported the Euro version and preordered the American version last year, but I got super sidetracked with other games and never had a chance to sit down and enjoy the import copy.

Now my backlog is pretty clear and I'm itching to play some great games. So hyped.
RDreamer
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(03-30-2012, 12:44 PM)
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Maybe people talking about this will give me the kick in the butt to continue on my imported version. I just haven't been able to get into this like everyone else. I feel like I'm broken or something. I'm normally a huge JRPG fan.

The environments are pretty amazing, though every minute I see them seems to just sadden me that it's on the wii and all blurry and pixelated. The story seems sort of intriguing, but it feels like it goes at barely a snail's pace. I don't feel like I'm getting rewarded with enough story as I go. The characters are only ok, really. I don't really find myself attached to any of them... Especially Riki, though I know he's kind of the token annoying as hell character. The battle systems seems kind of bland, too. It feels kind of dumbed down from something like FFXII, which I thought did that sort of system WAY better. The music is amazingly well done, though...
Ricker
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(03-30-2012, 12:49 PM)
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Anyone that ordered from Nintendo.com got their copies yet or will we be getting it a few days after the release date,meaning they will ship on the 4th?...I think I could track the thing or something but can't find the info for now lol...
SecretMoblin
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(03-30-2012, 12:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by RDreamer

The environments are pretty amazing, though every minute I see them seems to just sadden me that it's on the wii and all blurry and pixelated. The story seems sort of intriguing, but it feels like it goes at barely a snail's pace. I don't feel like I'm getting rewarded with enough story as I go. The characters are only ok, really. I don't really find myself attached to any of them... Especially Riki, though I know he's kind of the token annoying as hell character. The battle systems seems kind of bland, too. It feels kind of dumbed down from something like FFXII, which I thought did that sort of system WAY better. The music is amazingly well done, though...

How far did you get? The first half of the game is very light on story, with only a few major events. The second half is where the bulk of the cutscenes/twists/weirdness/craziness starts to kick in.
DeSo
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(03-30-2012, 12:56 PM)
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The soundtrack is godlike. Best JRPG I've played in years. Incredible game. Mind you I'm only about 30 hours in and having a blast.

Originally Posted by RDreamer

The environments are pretty amazing, though every minute I see them seems to just sadden me that it's on the wii and all blurry and pixelated.

iknowthatfeelbro.jpg

Doesn't take away from the game too much though because the gameplay is just so much fun. I plan to play through it again on emulator when I pick up a great PC.
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RDreamer
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(03-30-2012, 12:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by SecretMoblin

How far did you get? The first half of the game is very light on story, with only a few major events. The second half is where the bulk of the cutscenes/twists/weirdness/craziness starts to kick in.

I think I'm like 35 or so hours in. Not exactly sure, I haven't played in a while.

I just got to Galahad Fortress


Originally Posted by DeSo

iknowthatfeelbro.jpg

Doesn't take away from the game too much though because the gameplay is just so much fun. I plan to play through it again on emulator when I pick up a great PC.

That's my problem so far, though. I don't really find the gameplay that fun at all. It feels kind of bland, honestly. I feel like the battle system is really dumbed down compared to the other games that have done it better (FFXII and Dragon Age).
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SecretMoblin
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(03-30-2012, 01:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by RDreamer

I think I'm like 35 or so hours in. Not exactly sure, I haven't played in a while.

I just got to Galahad Fortress

Hm. That's when the game starts getting much more intense, story-wise. Shame it didn't click by now. If you can, try and push on for a bit. There is a major, massive, gargantuan event that you're closing in on, and it might convince you to stick it through to the end.
RDreamer
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(03-30-2012, 01:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by SecretMoblin

Hm. That's when the game starts getting much more intense, story-wise. Shame it didn't click by now. If you can, try and push on for a bit. There is a major, massive, gargantuan event that you're closing in on, and it might convince you to stick it through to the end.

Yeah, I could feel that the story was going to pick up, but so far, as I said, I really don't give a shit about these characters. They're either annoying or almost one dimensional.
DeSo
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(03-30-2012, 01:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by RDreamer

That's my problem so far, though. I don't really find the gameplay that fun at all. It feels kind of bland, honestly. I feel like the battle system is really dumbed down compared to the other games that have done it better (FFXII and Dragon Age).

Too MMORPG?
ScOULaris
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(03-30-2012, 01:13 PM)
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Alright, I give in. I'm gonna go pre-order this today.

The GAF hype has me sold, and I have to support what is often heralded as the one great JRPG of this gen.
RDreamer
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(03-30-2012, 01:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by DeSo

Too MMORPG?

As I said, I liked FFXII and Dragon Age. Actually, I freaking loved those games and I loved the MMO-ish feel of those games. But this one I don't like. I feel like I don't have enough control of the other characters. I feel like I'm just playing one character in a party of three, and that always annoys the hell out of me in RPGs. Action RPGs can sort of get away with it because it's pretty physically impossible to control 3 characters in real time. But for a menu based RPG to offer no way to control your teammates outside of when you're about to die or something it just sucks.
kagete
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(03-30-2012, 01:20 PM)
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This is a great game and I wish it was released on PC so everyone that can't run dolphin can see it with awesome graphics.

Be prepared for 80% of all item drops to be Reyn's weaboo jackhammers for the first ten hours of this game :|
truly101
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(03-30-2012, 01:29 PM)
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I basically stopped playing the import version because I go so sidetracked with other games that I'm just going to start over with the NA version once it releases. I was on the Bionis sword arm so I had about 40% left I think.
hlhbk
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(03-30-2012, 01:41 PM)
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A friend of mine imported the game last year and it looks amazing. That being said I feel Nintendo is setting this game up for failure. Please see examples below.
  • Releasing the game a year later in the US after the real fans have already bought the EU version.
  • Making this release exclusive to 1 retailer.
  • Releasing a year old game for $50

Anyone with common sense would see that the list above points to major lack of sales. It's like Ubi releasing AC2 6 months later on PC and being shocked it didn't sell as well as consoles. I don't care for brick and mortar stores anymore. If I actually buy a game on a console (as opposed to most of my games I buy via Steam) it comes from Amazon.

So considering its a forgone conclusion that there is no realistic way sales can live up to what Nintendo wants out of them due to self inflicted wounds I would like to hear a counter arguement to why I should support the game that is already setup to fail? I love RPG's and especially ones with great stories, is it really worth biting the bullet on this one?
gerudoman
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(03-30-2012, 01:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by Neon_Icarus

It looks like NOE made a new trailer featuring all their recent
RPG/adventure games. Xenoblade is after Zelda.

Only two more weeks until Pandora's Tower... :)

Be careful, there are several scenes from both Xenoblade and TLS very final stages.

Watching this has made me realize how better is going to be Wii's death compared to the ones of N64 and GC. It's been 8 unforgettable months without letting my Wii take a breath with Xenoblade, Skyward Sword and The Last Story, which are easily in my top 5 of the system. I'm not really interested in Pandora's Tower, though. Hope you guys have ordered a massive load of batteries and enjoy them :P

And for Xenoblade, I would recommend you to play it calmly and, since you're going to play it for at least 50-60 hours, trying not to play other complex or time-consuming games at the same times. About sidequests, Xenoblade is a really flexible game and allows the player adapt to it in many ways, so if you don't feel comfortable with doing hundreds of clonic hunting missions, you can skip them and don't have many dfficulties to finish the main quest. I have to say that despite being really similar and basic, they can be really addicting!
Orgun
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(03-30-2012, 01:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by Anasui Kishibe

Satori Marsh?

you're like at the third area out of 40. Play it dammit!

Yeah I think that was the place, I might have gotten just after that. :)
whitehawk
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(03-30-2012, 01:52 PM)
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The colours on this picture are amazing. Is there a desktop sized version?

chaosblade
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(03-30-2012, 01:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by hlhbk

A friend of mine imported the game last year and it looks amazing. That being said I feel Nintendo is setting this game up for failure. Please see examples below.

  • Releasing the game a year later in the US after the real fans have already bought the EU version.
  • Making this release exclusive to 1 retailer.
  • Releasing a year old game for $50

Anyone with common sense would see that the list above points to major lack of sales. It's like Ubi releasing AC2 6 months later on PC and being shocked it didn't sell as well as consoles. I don't care for brick and mortar stores anymore. If I actually buy a game on a console (as opposed to most of my games I buy via Steam) it comes from Amazon.

So considering its a forgone conclusion that there is no realistic way sales can live up to what Nintendo wants out of them due to self inflicted wounds I would like to hear a counter arguement to why I should support the game that is already setup to fail? I love RPG's and especially ones with great stories, is it really worth biting the bullet on this one?

Don't buy the game "for support." Buy it because it's a good game that you're interested in. I (and a lot of others) found the story enjoyable, but you have some B.K.s as well who thought it was terrible.

Besides, Nintendo doesn't even seem to have much faith in the game, a small, retailer exclusive print of the game is probably all we're going to get. They aren't really putting any effort into the localization or marketing, so they probably don't care how well it sells. It should break even on the print run at minimum, and that's probably enough to make NoA content.

Originally Posted by whitehawk

The colours on this picture are amazing. Is there a desktop sized version?

http://i.minus.com/i7VfsWWJAZYKS.png

It wouldn't be hard to make one. With or without the logo (and with the PAL or NA logo)? The logo would stretched and kind of ugly in a full size version.

Edit: But using a screenshot from Dolphin would have a button prompt in there. Not sure how to get rid of that.
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Twilight Princess
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(03-30-2012, 02:11 PM)
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BEST RPG OF ALL TIME.
Alrus
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(03-30-2012, 02:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by RDreamer

As I said, I liked FFXII and Dragon Age. Actually, I freaking loved those games and I loved the MMO-ish feel of those games. But this one I don't like. I feel like I don't have enough control of the other characters. I feel like I'm just playing one character in a party of three, and that always annoys the hell out of me in RPGs. Action RPGs can sort of get away with it because it's pretty physically impossible to control 3 characters in real time. But for a menu based RPG to offer no way to control your teammates outside of when you're about to die or something it just sucks.

I don't really see how you would be able to control your other team member without halting the gameplay and killing the pace of the battles though.

Btw I thought the combat system felt a lot more involved than FF XII (which I loved). I don't really understand the comparison with Dragon Age, they're completely different kind of rpg in term of battle system.
ultron87
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(03-30-2012, 02:14 PM)
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This is next week!?! I thought it was two weeks from now.

Helllllll Yeah!
Omegasquash
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(03-30-2012, 02:14 PM)
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Here's waiting for the day that I can come home and have it in my mailbox.

Edit: Next week? Shitballs, I'll be traveling for work. Oh well, KI:U, RE:R and Tales of the Abyss will keep me occupied.
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Kjellson
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Originally Posted by Twilight Princess

BEST RPG OF ALL TIME.

I definitively agree with this.
RDreamer
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(03-30-2012, 02:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by Alrus

I don't really see how you would be able to control your other team member without halting the gameplay and killing the pace of the battles though.

Btw I thought the combat system felt a lot more involved than FF XII (which I loved). I don't really understand the comparison with Dragon Age, they're completely different kind of rpg in term of battle system.

Uh... You would control the other team members in the same way as FFXII and Dragon Age... by setting up AI sequences. Barring that (or in addition to that), it would also be nice to just have a way to quickly flip to another character so you can use a specific ability whenever you need it.

And how do you not understand the comparison to Dragon Age? They're pretty fairly similar... Both are MMO inspired RPGs where you control one character. The PC version of DA was fairly different, but the console versions were really the same idea, except with way more depth. You could control the AI of your party, and I felt like the ability system had a bit more depth to it.
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(03-30-2012, 02:20 PM)
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Looking forward to confirmation one way or another if a save from an import EU copy can be resumed with the US version...
BatDan
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(03-30-2012, 02:24 PM)
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Have it pre-ordered, it's going to kick ass!

I also predict plenty of "Melia in the TARDIS" jokes in the future.
chaosblade
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(03-30-2012, 02:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by RDreamer

Uh... You would control the other team members in the same way as FFXII and Dragon Age... by setting up AI sequences. Barring that (or in addition to that), it would also be nice to just have a way to quickly flip to another character so you can use a specific ability whenever you need it.

And how do you not understand the comparison to Dragon Age? They're pretty fairly similar... Both are MMO inspired RPGs where you control one character. The PC version of DA was fairly different, but the console versions were really the same idea, except with way more depth. You could control the AI of your party, and I felt like the ability system had a bit more depth to it.

I kind of wish you could do more to control how the AI responds to situations, but you do have at least a little control by choosing what's on their art pallet. Plus Chain Attacks and communicating after visions.

I disagree about changing party members mid-battle. They'd have to completely redo the battle system to make that work, as-is it would just break the game. But I guess it wouldn't be much worse than Chain Attacks already are, especially for late/post-game stuff.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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(03-30-2012, 02:25 PM)
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Did anything leak yet of how good/bad the gamestop artbook is?
RPGCrazied
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(03-30-2012, 02:26 PM)
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Its not hardback. I know that. I'm sure its under 20 pages.
bubnbob
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(03-30-2012, 02:27 PM)

Originally Posted by Zaraki_Kenpachi

Did anything leak yet of how good/bad the gamestop artbook is?

Someone on IGN posted pics. It's only a few pages and flimsy, don't get excited.
hardcastlemccormick
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(03-30-2012, 02:32 PM)
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I want to play this. I played the EU version for a few hours, the US version got announced, and I put it down to wait.

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