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IntelliHeath
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(02-25-2014, 03:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by ALM5252




Edit: I'm on mobile having problems posting a picture. lol

It's not you. It's site link that are being weird but I used other source link to make a point for you.
ALM5252
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(02-25-2014, 03:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by IntelliHeath

It's not you. It's site link that are being weird but I used other source link to make a point for you.

Thank you very much. haha
it's amazing at the similarities though. never noticed it until he had mentioned a Sheik taunt.
Axass
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(02-25-2014, 04:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by CassSept

I thought Smash Ridley's scales were a bit darker hue of blue.

Ah!
MrSaturn99
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(02-25-2014, 04:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by Neoriceisgood



Based on today's screenshots giving us a few more clean shots I decided to try and make a reasonably comprehensive size chart of the cast so far.

I left out any character that doesn't have a clean enough shot to compare though. (Lucario, Diddy, Zelda, Toon Link)

Very interesting pic, thanks for sharing.
Timeaisis
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(02-25-2014, 04:45 PM)
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Hmmm...looks like nothing exciting has happened in a while.
Gartooth
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(02-25-2014, 04:47 PM)
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This past month has been incredibly busy, I've barely commented in here since the Little Mac reveal!

To recap, has there been any new info recently besides Little Mac and Diddy's return?
Watch Da Birdie
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(02-25-2014, 04:50 PM)
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I hope they place some of the music this time around based off stage theme rather than game theme...

Because the King DeDeDe Battle theme would go great on the Boxing Ring.
GreatCharleston
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(02-25-2014, 04:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gartooth

This past month has been incredibly busy, I've barely commented in here since the Little Mac reveal!

To recap, has there been any new info recently besides Little Mac and Diddy's return?

Not much aside from some items and stuff. Fairy in the bottle, Palkia comes out of a pokeball now, etc.
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(02-25-2014, 05:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by GreatCharleston

Not much aside from some items and stuff. Fairy in the bottle, Palkia comes out of a pokeball now, etc.

Thanks! Guess Palkia being a Pokeball summon means no Spear Pillar then. YES
powerdrain
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(02-25-2014, 05:05 PM)
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I made this at like 4am last night with some of the possible female newcomers. I wanted to make something Smash-related, and Miiverse doodles can only go so far for hype.

Here's hoping we see at least one of these ladies playable. I didn't include any FE ladies since there's no 3D renders of them - my pick is Anna, since she's a recurring character, but Robin, or Lucina would be cool too.

Mit-
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(02-25-2014, 06:07 PM)
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For everyone who was dogging on Samus' Brawl look: Samus has always been based off of her appearance in old games such as Super Metroid. Nothing about her character design was ever based on anything newer (which makes sense, Metroid Prime didn't exist when Smash 64 or Melee was made, and since Melee they rarely do anything to update movesets on returning characters).

Brawl didn't update Samus to her Metroid Prime look either. It's interesting that they updated her look once a new Japanese console Metroid was made, with the original director of the series. Racist.
Zalman
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(02-25-2014, 06:10 PM)
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Who do you guys think has the best chances, Dixie Kong or Waluigi?
Berordn
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(02-25-2014, 06:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by Zalman

Who do you guys think has the best chances, Dixie Kong or Waluigi?

Dixie. DKC's returned to the forefront as an active series, Dixie is playable in more games than any of the other characters not yet included in Smash and also I like her hair.

Waluigi's just a weird guy they made for spinoffs.
SmithnCo
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(02-25-2014, 06:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by Zalman

Who do you guys think has the best chances, Dixie Kong or Waluigi?

Dixie. Mario has a lot of reps as it is and I could see DK being big enough for a third. Plus she is in mainline DKC games and not just spinoffs like Waluigi.
Ryce
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(02-25-2014, 06:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mit-

For everyone who was dogging on Samus' Brawl look: Samus has always been based off of her appearance in old games such as Super Metroid. Nothing about her character design was ever based on anything newer (which makes sense, Metroid Prime didn't exist when Smash 64 or Melee was made, and since Melee they rarely do anything to update movesets on returning characters).

Brawl didn't update Samus to her Metroid Prime look either. It's interesting that they updated her look once a new Japanese console Metroid was made, with the original director of the series. Racist.

Samus’ Brawl design is actually based off of Zero Mission, which was the latest entry in the mainline Metroid series at the time of Brawl’s development. The Metroid Prime games are considered a side series in Japan.



Her armor obviously isn’t purple in Brawl, but note the green lights.

Other M is the latest mainline Metroid game since Zero Mission, which is why her costume has been updated for SSB4.

Originally Posted by Zalman

Who do you guys think has the best chances, Dixie Kong or Waluigi?

Dixie's chances are 50/50, and Waluigi's chances are nonexistent.
Baron von Loathsome
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(02-25-2014, 06:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by Zalman

Who do you guys think has the best chances, Dixie Kong or Waluigi?

To add to the above, Waluigi has never been the main protagonist of his own game. Dixie Kong's second appearance put her in the protagonist role.
Red Arremer
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(02-25-2014, 06:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by Berordn

Dixie is playable in more games than any of the other characters not yet included in Smash

This is factually wrong. As a matter of fact, Waluigi is playable in significantly more titles than Dixie is, even if you were to include the GB/GBA ports/remakes of DKC.
Vlade
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(02-25-2014, 06:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by Neoriceisgood



Based on today's screenshots giving us a few more clean shots I decided to try and make a reasonably comprehensive size chart of the cast so far.

I left out any character that doesn't have a clean enough shot to compare though. (Lucario, Diddy, Zelda, Toon Link)

So of the tallest 6 characters, there are 3 ladies and 3 cartoon monsters?
fredrancour
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(02-25-2014, 06:25 PM)

Originally Posted by Vlade

So of the tallest 6 characters, there are 3 ladies and 3 cartoon monsters?

Link's knees look pretty bent, he'd probably crack the top 6 standing fully upright.
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(02-25-2014, 06:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by Red Arremer

This is factually wrong. As a matter of fact, Waluigi is playable in significantly more titles than Dixie is, even if you were to include the GB/GBA ports/remakes of DKC.

I was talking about DK characters. Even so Waluigi may be more titles but it's mainly as a game piece than as a character with fleshed out abilities.
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(02-25-2014, 06:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by fredrancour

Link's knees look pretty bent, he'd probably crack the top 6 standing fully upright.

I don't mean to go anywhere with that observation, but it stood out amongst the posts speculating about a few more female characters.
Spinluck
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(02-25-2014, 06:30 PM)
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Wouldn't want Dixie in it. Too close to Diddy.

They can find some better female characters.
Red Arremer
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(02-25-2014, 06:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by Berordn

I was talking about DK characters.

Oh okay, my bad, it was a bit ambiguously worded. :)

Even so Waluigi may be more titles but it's mainly as a game piece than as a character with fleshed out abilities.

I was not disagreeing with your other points, haha. Waluigi is not a good character.
Berordn
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(02-25-2014, 06:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by Red Arremer

Oh okay, my bad, it was a bit ambiguously worded. :)



I was not disagreeing with your other points, haha. Waluigi is not a good character.

's cool, just as long as we agree on that last bit :P
Watch Da Birdie
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(02-25-2014, 06:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by Berordn

I was talking about DK characters. Even so Waluigi may be more titles but it's mainly as a game piece than as a character with fleshed out abilities.

Waluigi's probably been playable in more titles than any of the non-Mario characters.

He's been playable in roughly 34 games.
Last edited by Watch Da Birdie; 02-25-2014 at 06:34 PM.
NeonZ
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(02-25-2014, 06:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mit-

Brawl didn't update Samus to her Metroid Prime look either. It's interesting that they updated her look once a new Japanese console Metroid was made, with the original director of the series. Racist.

Or maybe the whole "original director of the series" bit is what weighted there? Brawl updated her to Zero Mission, and now we get Other M.

Either way, Little Mac has his updated design and Giga Mac form from a Western developed title.
Ryce
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(02-25-2014, 06:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by SpinDasher

Wouldn't want Dixie in it. Too close to Diddy.

They can find some better female characters.

Diddy and Dixie have nothing in common besides being from the same series. Diddy's depicted as a frantic acrobat, and Dixie is much more subdued. She would fight using her ponytails as limbs, which would set her apart from every other character on the roster. She's also one of the few truly recognizable Nintendo characters left, and to me that's reason enough to include her.
Mit-
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(02-25-2014, 06:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ryce

Samus’ Brawl design is actually based off of Zero Mission, which was the latest entry in the mainline Metroid series at the time of Brawl’s development. The Metroid Prime games are considered a side series in Japan.



Her armor obviously isn’t purple in Brawl, but note the green lights.

Other M is the latest mainline Metroid game since Zero Mission, which is why her costume has been updated for SSB4.

Ah, good catch. Didn't think about Zero Mission.

Still lame that they passed on Prime content. All it got was a color variation nod. And I realize it's a "side series" but doesn't it still fit into actual series canon?

Not to mention they're goddamn magnificent games.
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(02-25-2014, 06:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by Red Arremer

Oh okay, my bad, it was a bit ambiguously worded. :)

I was not disagreeing with your other points, haha. Waluigi is not a good character.

Originally Posted by Berordn

's cool, just as long as we agree on that last bit :P

You're both uninvited from my Waluigi-themed birthday party.

I will mail the complimentary Waluigiscopes though.
Narroo
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(02-25-2014, 06:40 PM)

Originally Posted by Watch Da Birdie

Waluigi's probably been playable in more titles than any of the non-Mario characters.

He's been playable in roughly 34 games.

And yet, nobody plays him.
Mit-
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(02-25-2014, 06:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by NeonZ

Either way, Little Mac has his updated design and Giga Mac form from a Western developed title.

There isn't a Japanese equivalent to compare it to other than the original. Not to mention the series as a whole is a bit more western focused. Metroid is (was) a series that had huge titles developed in both America and Japan in the same decade.
Red Arremer
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(02-25-2014, 06:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by Caladrius

You're both uninvited from my Waluigi-themed birthday party.

I will mail the complimentary Waluigiscopes though.

Oh I like Waluigi in Mario Kart and Mario sports games, but not in Smash. :P

Originally Posted by Mit-

Still lame that they passed on Prime content. All it got was a color variation nod.

And a stage, and some music, and several trophies...
Mit-
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(02-25-2014, 06:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by Watch Da Birdie

Waluigi's probably been playable in more titles than any of the non-Mario characters.

He's been playable in roughly 34 games.

The same can probably be said for Toad and Koopa Troopa. Doesn't mean they are more than side characters.

Hell Toad has more of a right to playable status than Waluigi. Easy.
Watch Da Birdie
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(02-25-2014, 06:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mit-

The same can probably be said for Toad and Koopa Troopa. Doesn't mean they are more than side characters.

Hell Toad has more of a right to playable status than Waluigi. Easy.

Of course.

The point I was illustrating is playable appearance count shouldn't factor into Smash Representation, as the Dixie vs. Waluigi argument based on title appearance alone was flawed.
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(02-25-2014, 06:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mit-

Ah, good catch. Didn't think about Zero Mission.

Still lame that they passed on Prime content. All it got was a color variation nod. And I realize it's a "side series" but doesn't it still fit into actual series canon?

Not to mention they're goddamn magnificent games.

Brawl had a Metroid Prime stage (Frigate Orpheon) and boss (Meta Ridley), so I wouldn't say that the game passed on Prime content. There are hundreds of Nintendo games without a stage or boss in Brawl.
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(02-25-2014, 06:50 PM)
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I have the insatiable urge to replay Metroid Prime 2 now.

Originally Posted by Red Arremer

Oh I like Waluigi in Mario Kart and Mario sports games, but not in Smash. :P

Fair enough.
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(02-25-2014, 06:52 PM)
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Isn't character selection based on popularity and mechanics? Dixie has appeared in fewer games than Waluigi, but she's iconic. From a game design standpoint Dixie Kong can at least fly and use her hair to grab and attack. What can Waluigi conceptually contribute to the game? His brother Wario's moveset was carried over from the Wario Ware games, so Sakurai was able to make him unique from Mario. Waluigi hasn't had any games to differentiate him from Luigi. He's basically a taller and more angsty Luigi.
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(02-25-2014, 06:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by powerdrain

I made this at like 4am last night with some of the possible female newcomers. I wanted to make something Smash-related, and Miiverse doodles can only go so far for hype.

Here's hoping we see at least one of these ladies playable. I didn't include any FE ladies since there's no 3D renders of them - my pick is Anna, since she's a recurring character, but Robin, or Lucina would be cool too.

I'd be very, very surprised if we can't toggle Male/Female on Villager like we can Wii Fit Trainer.
Boony
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(02-25-2014, 06:58 PM)
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Waluigi is a memorable character but that's only because he appears in so many games, is Wario's partner (who most assume to be his brother) and Luigi's opposite. I like him but he has no place being playable in Smash and is a complete filler character.
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(02-25-2014, 06:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by Amazeballs

Isn't character selection based on popularity and mechanics? Dixie has appeared in fewer games than Waluigi, but she's iconic. From a game design standpoint Dixie Kong can at least fly and use her hair to grab and attack. What can Waluigi conceptually contribute to the game? His brother Wario's moveset was carried over from the Wario Ware games, so Sakurai was able to make him unique from Mario. Waluigi hasn't had any games to differentiate him from Luigi. He's basically a taller and more angsty Luigi.

I think that they could possibly give him a moveset based on all the side/party games he's been in. he could also be a possible rep for those. Like base some of his moves off of mario party stuff, like throwing a dice block, or using some of the mario sports equipment to attack
Kandinsky
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(02-25-2014, 07:01 PM)
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Man Impa's SS design is amazing and perfect for Smash, I hope she replaces Sheik.
Mit-
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(02-25-2014, 07:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ryce

Brawl had a Metroid Prime stage (Frigate Orpheon) and boss (Meta Ridley), so I wouldn't say that the game passed on Prime content. There are hundreds of Nintendo games without a stage or boss in Brawl.

Another good point. I guess I was approaching it more from the playable character side of things.

But I'm disappointed with 99% of returning characters move sets and designs. They hardly change characters up between games. They update the look (sometimes) and that's mostly it. The only exceptions we've seen for Smash 4 so far are Bowser, Pit, and possibly Zelda.

Even though a lot of these characters are still doing moves wholly based off of N64 and GameCube era games when they've had plenty of new games to inspire updated designs.
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(02-25-2014, 07:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by Neoriceisgood



Based on today's screenshots giving us a few more clean shots I decided to try and make a reasonably comprehensive size chart of the cast so far.

I left out any character that doesn't have a clean enough shot to compare though. (Lucario, Diddy, Zelda, Toon Link)

I think lil mac is shorter
and it sucks fox suffers from smash height differences, in his own universe he is average height at 5'8
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(02-25-2014, 07:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ryce

Samus’ Brawl design is actually based off of Zero Mission, which was the latest entry in the mainline Metroid series at the time of Brawl’s development. The Metroid Prime games are considered a side series in Japan.



Her armor obviously isn’t purple in Brawl, but note the green lights.

Other M is the latest mainline Metroid game since Zero Mission, which is why her costume has been updated for SSB4.


Dixie's chances are 50/50, and Waluigi's chances are nonexistent.

yea her design is based off zero mission however there are design quirks that are from metroid prime integrated into the suit.
SmithnCo
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(02-25-2014, 07:08 PM)
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They should make baby Waluigi already so that the universe can implode.
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(02-25-2014, 07:33 PM)
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wow that zelda and mario comparison

DaBoss
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(02-25-2014, 07:50 PM)
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Thank god the denim is so much more subdued. Melee and Brawl (especially Brawl) went overboard with that lol.
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(02-25-2014, 08:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by foxuzamaki

I think lil mac is shorter
and it sucks fox suffers from smash height differences, in his own universe he is average height at 5'8

I totally forgot about that. I remember being weirded out by the height difference between Melee/Adventures Fox as a kid.
IntelliHeath
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(02-25-2014, 08:31 PM)
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They finally updated the image with Little Mac!

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(02-25-2014, 09:13 PM)
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We almost there! Bring on da Diddy.

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