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-   -   Hideki Kamiya on PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale: "It's just a ripoff." (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=485438)

Beth Cyra 08-05-2012 08:37 PM

[QUOTE=chertipros;40650348]I wouldn't say it's a ripoff, but it definitely was inspired heavily by super smash brothers. And there is no denying that. And just to play devils advocate, viewtiful joe red hot rumble was a "super smash bros ripoff" too. Was he involved in that?[/QUOTE]

I'm guessing Kamiya wasn't happy about this either.

digita1alchemy 08-05-2012 08:37 PM

REAL TALK.

Nibel 08-05-2012 08:38 PM

Absolutely [I]spot on.[/I]

What the hell you want to argue about?

NoirVisage 08-05-2012 08:38 PM

i'm not following the train of thought in those tweets, especially the 2nd and the last.

Duffyside 08-05-2012 08:38 PM

[QUOTE=DMPrince;40650360]when his game can sell we will talk.[/QUOTE]

What will we talk about? How dumb it is to apply this logic to anything?

I only want to know what Britney Spears and Justin Bieber think about music, because they sell the most, duh.

Varjet 08-05-2012 08:38 PM

[QUOTE=chertipros;40650348]And there is no denying that. And just to play devils advocate, viewtiful joe red hot rumble was a "super smash bros ripoff" too. Was he involved in that?[/QUOTE]

Nope

Forever 08-05-2012 08:38 PM

[QUOTE=ScraftyDevil;40650361][IMG]http://mauiganic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/irony-meter.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Wait, are you saying Kamiya is unoriginal?

Desmond 08-05-2012 08:38 PM

[QUOTE=DMPrince;40650360]he should rip off on making a profit.[/QUOTE]
Damn lol

jett 08-05-2012 08:39 PM

Kamiya trying to secure dat Nintendo relationship.

DeaconKnowledge 08-05-2012 08:39 PM

Sony has never ripped off Nintendo.

ShockingAlberto 08-05-2012 08:39 PM

ITT people will turn on or support someone because of corporate loyalties.

Beth Cyra 08-05-2012 08:39 PM

[QUOTE=DMPrince;40650360]he should rip off on making a profit.[/QUOTE]

He was the director of one of Capcom's best selling games of all time and created a multimillion selling franchise for them as well. Not to mention Bayo did over a million so this comment is pointless as his games do sell.

Risette 08-05-2012 08:39 PM

[QUOTE=Desmond;40650298]Bayonetta, Vanquish, plus a plethora of Shooters and Fighters are also conceptual rip offs.[/QUOTE]
Bayonetta is a conceptual ripoff of what? The subgenre that Kamiya practically started?

ScraftyDevil 08-05-2012 08:39 PM

[QUOTE=Forever;40650396]Wait, are you saying Kamiya is unoriginal?[/QUOTE]

Hey, I love Viewtiful Joe, Bayonetta, Vanquish and such more than most, but even I have to admit that most of his ideas are at least conceptual ripoffs.

Boss Doggie 08-05-2012 08:40 PM

[quote=The_Hitcher89;40650135]At the end of the day for me, its a conceptual rip-off of a game that is one-of-a-kind, and doesn't have many willing competitors with a rostor to make it worth copying. But they seem to have done more than just copy it. They've taken the simple framework and put their own spin on it from the first floor up judging from the changes and impressions, and its basically ignorance to not even give it a chance because it has the audacity to be a 4-player mascot brawler.[/quote]

It's not really unique if you think much about it - there're a bunch of them in Japan. Smash isn't the first time Snake had to fight non-MGS people.

Loudninja 08-05-2012 08:40 PM

[QUOTE=Duffyside;40650279]I think it's totally unreasonable to say people have to play games to decide they're not interested, or that they are. Yes, he might think differently once he played it, but that doesn't mean he can't have an opinion now, nor that it might not be true in the end.

And I'm really looking forward to PSBR; but I get the harsh criticisms.[/QUOTE]
No I completely disagree with that.

Dead Prince 08-05-2012 08:40 PM

[QUOTE=Duffyside;40650389]What will we talk about? How dumb it is to apply this logic to anything?

I only want to know what Britney Spears and Justin Bieber think about music, because they sell the most, duh.[/QUOTE]

Justin bieber doesn't like to be compared to timberlake.

ZoddGutts 08-05-2012 08:40 PM

[QUOTE=DMPrince;40650360]he should rip off on making a profit.[/QUOTE]

He already did that with Bayonetta but that's okay since he made DMC.

Anteater 08-05-2012 08:40 PM

[QUOTE=ScraftyDevil;40650439]Hey, I love Viewtiful Joe, Bayonetta, Vanquish and such more than most, but even I have to admit that most of his ideas are at least conceptual ripoffs.[/QUOTE]

He didn't make Vanquish

Delusibeta 08-05-2012 08:40 PM

Well, at least it's a Ronseal point of view. It's exactly what it says on the tin.

toadster101 08-05-2012 08:40 PM

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/w0eWm.png[/IMG]

Wario64 08-05-2012 08:40 PM

[IMG]http://i.minus.com/jbjSNEIQQQOXDm.png[/IMG]

TheOddOne 08-05-2012 08:41 PM

[QUOTE=ShockingAlberto;40650420]ITT people will turn on or support someone because of corporate loyalties.[/QUOTE]
In a nutshell. See this becoming something that follows him forever, even "journalists" will try to find him to "clarify" his opinion.

Desmond 08-05-2012 08:41 PM

[QUOTE=pizzaroll;40650430]Bayonetta is a conceptual ripoff of what? The subgenre that Kamiya practically started?[/QUOTE]
Golden Axe.

keit4 08-05-2012 08:41 PM

[QUOTE=toadster101;40650469][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/w0eWm.png[IMG][/QUOTE]

/thread

Sorry Sony fans.

The_Hitcher89 08-05-2012 08:41 PM

[QUOTE=Ookami-kun;40650440]It's not really unique if you think much about it - there're a bunch of them in Japan. Smash isn't the first time Snake had to fight non-MGS people.[/QUOTE]

I don't know about the Japanese games industry :(

TheBioLover 08-05-2012 08:41 PM

[QUOTE=jett;40650408]Kamiya trying to secure dat Nintendo relationship.[/QUOTE]

Maybe Nintendo payed him off to smear PSASBR!

[spoiler]I'm joking, Nintendo fanboys[/spoiler]

OldJadedGamer 08-05-2012 08:41 PM

[QUOTE=corporate cheerleader;40650286]It's okay, let the Xbox fanboys have some fun.[/QUOTE]

Someone says a Sony game is a ripoff of a Nintendo game and the Xbox fanboys are having fun?

Data West 08-05-2012 08:41 PM

[QUOTE=Zefah;40650321]I'll never understand comments like this.

Have you ever had a job?[/QUOTE]
Ill never understand replies like this. why do kamiya swery and kojima flood my feed daily but Ken Levine posts like once a week? But keep making assumptions

Beth Cyra 08-05-2012 08:41 PM

[QUOTE=ScraftyDevil;40650439]Hey, I love Viewtiful Joe, Bayonetta, Vanquish and such more than most, but even I have to admit that most of his ideas are at least conceptual ripoffs.[/QUOTE]

Well at least learn what games he freaking created.

Vanquish was Mikami not Kamiya.

Baoynetta was a rip off, but of his own creation and something he took to the next level.

VJ? If you really want to boil it down then maybe, otherwise no.

Nirolak 08-05-2012 08:41 PM

[QUOTE=ScraftyDevil;40650439]Hey, I love Viewtiful Joe, Bayonetta, Vanquish and such more than most, but even I have to admit that most of his ideas are at least conceptual ripoffs.[/QUOTE]

Vanquish was Mikami and a fairly separate team that left the studio after its completion to form Tango.

KillerTravis 08-05-2012 08:42 PM

[QUOTE=Wario64;40650476][IMG]http://i.minus.com/jbjSNEIQQQOXDm.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Lol.

Kusagari 08-05-2012 08:42 PM

[QUOTE=toadster101;40650469]http://i.imgur.com/w0eWm.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

/thread.

Or are Sony fans going to disagree with the company itself?

Risette 08-05-2012 08:42 PM

[QUOTE=Wario64;40650476][IMG]http://i.minus.com/jbjSNEIQQQOXDm.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
lol

[QUOTE=Desmond;40650484]Golden Axe.[/QUOTE]
The hell?

Duffyside 08-05-2012 08:42 PM

[QUOTE=Loudninja;40650449]No I completely disagree with that.[/QUOTE]

So you admit that you being excited for PSBR before ever playing it was totally unreasonable?

Desmond 08-05-2012 08:42 PM

[QUOTE=keit4;40650494]/thread

Sorry Sony fans.[/QUOTE]
I think people are miffed that he says stuff without touching the game.

Unspeakable Evil 08-05-2012 08:42 PM

OP I knew you would make this thead :)

Loudninja 08-05-2012 08:43 PM

[QUOTE=Kusagari;40650527]/thread.

Or are Sony fans going to disagree with the company itself?[/QUOTE]

Oh man a tag on a youtube video?!?!?

Well I am done.

GuardianE 08-05-2012 08:43 PM

[QUOTE=Wario64;40650476][IMG]http://i.minus.com/jbjSNEIQQQOXDm.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]


lmao. Perfect.

Holy Order Sol 08-05-2012 08:43 PM

[QUOTE=GSR;40650226]Hideki Kamiya annoyed on Twitter, tells Sony to use its own brain[/QUOTE]

XD

Nirolak 08-05-2012 08:43 PM

[QUOTE=Desmond;40650544]I think people are miffed that he says stuff without touching the game.[/QUOTE]

That seems kind of silly to me though given that as far as I can tell he doesn't play any modern games.

This is a pretty fair shake relative to what he's going to give any other game.

JABEE 08-05-2012 08:43 PM

I see these character brawlers a sub-genre Of fighting games. Just like every other genre, they follow a certain template, but differentiate themselves from the competition through different systems, different fighting mechanics. I don't understand how it is a rip-off. Every FPS game with a Single Player Campaign, TDM, and CTF would be considered a rip-off If held to the same standards.

Kusagari 08-05-2012 08:43 PM

[QUOTE=Loudninja;40650552]Oh man a tag on a youtube video?!?!?[/QUOTE]

Does Sony tag Killzone videos with Halo?

gabbre 08-05-2012 08:43 PM

He's right but I don't see anything wrong in ripoffs if they're good

Zefah 08-05-2012 08:43 PM

[QUOTE=Dragonzord;40650506]Ill never understand replies like this. why do kamiya swery and kojima flood my feed daily but Ken Levine posts like once a week? But keep making assumptions[/QUOTE]

Why are you comparing Kojima, Kamiya, and Levine? Do you think that Ken Levine is working harder and longer hours because he doesn't post on Twitter as much? Talk about making assumptions...

Desmond 08-05-2012 08:43 PM

[QUOTE=pizzaroll;40650537]lol


The hell?[/QUOTE]
joking...

Dunk#7 08-05-2012 08:44 PM

Why does SSB get a pass to be the only game in the genre?

If this were the way the industry worked we would only have about 10 different game series that were on their 20th iteration.

How dare Crash Team Racing and Diddy Kong Racing copy off of Mario Kart!!!

The logic for being against PSABR is ridiculous

Wario64 08-05-2012 08:44 PM

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Ei3bZ.jpg[/IMG]

7threst 08-05-2012 08:44 PM

[QUOTE=DMPrince;40650360]he should rip off on making a profit.[/QUOTE]

Goddamn this gave me a laugh haha! :)

snowdog1971 08-05-2012 08:45 PM

[QUOTE=keit4;40650161]He is right.[/QUOTE]

This ^^

Not that I mind tbh, it's a great idea.

I'm still waiting for Capcom to announce Nintendo Vs Capcom, will be a nice filler for fighting game fans until the next Super Smash Bros. game is released and will be a licence to print money for both Capcom and Nintendo, particularly for Nintendo because it will be a ridiculously successful system seller.


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