NeoGAF

NeoGAF (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/index.php)
-   Gaming Discussion (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2)
-   -   Hideki Kamiya on PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale: "It's just a ripoff." (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=485438)

Forever 08-05-2012 08:29 PM

Hideki Kamiya on PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale: "It's just a ripoff."
 
[QUOTE=Wario64;40650598][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Ei3bZ.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://i.minus.com/ibdkbwa9Dcgh6p.png[/IMG]

This got quite the reaction in the other thread. Some people were quick to jump on Kamiya for attacking the game without playing it, but I think it's clear here that he has problems with the game from a [I]conceptual[/I] standpoint, the execution being irrelevant.

Food for thought:

[QUOTE=toadster101;40650469][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/w0eWm.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

:lol

[QUOTE=timetokill;40653107]More Kamiya being awesome:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/pT1Oz.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

[B]The dude in the above tweets [URL="https://twitter.com/c0t432"]deleted his Twitter account[/URL]. Come at the King, you best not miss!
[/B]
[QUOTE=timetokill;40653181]Kamiya doesn't give a fuck about GAF:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/yMC5M.png[/IMG]

...or about the game:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/otbGi.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kusagari;40653584][IMG]http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d152/Kusagari/1344194345964.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=timetokill;40653750]Fun is over for today:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/IxK7a.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=-GJ-;40662104]A friend asked me to post this:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/3LVKU.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zeer0id;40657933][QUOTE=KingItachi;40657694]It's a really slow news day [url]http://n4g.com/news/1053214/hideki-kamiya-playstation-all-stars-is-just-a-rip-off[/url][/QUOTE]"Source: [url]https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya[/url]
Via: [url]http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=485438[/url] "

IT'S ALL OUR FAULT[/QUOTE]

Wario64 08-05-2012 08:30 PM

Kamiya to Sony: [b]F U C K O F F [/b]

ViewtifulJC 08-05-2012 08:30 PM

You do it

The_Hitcher89 08-05-2012 08:30 PM

At the end of the day for me, its a conceptual rip-off of a game that is one-of-a-kind, and doesn't have many willing competitors with a rostor to make it worth copying. But they seem to have done more than just copy it. They've taken the simple framework and put their own spin on it from the first floor up judging from the changes and impressions, and its basically ignorance to not even give it a chance because it has the audacity to be a 4-player mascot brawler.

Cade 08-05-2012 08:31 PM

In before him backpedaling and PR statements!

TheBioLover 08-05-2012 08:31 PM

I guess he has a problem with most FPS and fighting games?

JehutyRunner 08-05-2012 08:31 PM

Well, that rules out Bayonetta/Jack for PSASBR.

keit4 08-05-2012 08:31 PM

He is right.

ScraftyDevil 08-05-2012 08:31 PM

[IMG]http://www.thewebsiteofdoom.com/new/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/lex-luthor-wrong.jpg[/IMG]

Sammy Samusu 08-05-2012 08:31 PM

He is a mess. :lol

KillerTravis 08-05-2012 08:31 PM

He is not wrong.

ApolloJoh 08-05-2012 08:31 PM

[QUOTE=ViewtifulJC;40650134]You do it[/QUOTE]

I know.

Loudninja 08-05-2012 08:32 PM

Sorry I atleast expect someone to play a game before they try to make such claims.

I dont think that's unreasonable.

Kusagari 08-05-2012 08:32 PM

Kamiya is right.

I mean some of the specials are almost direct ripoffs.

Schobeleth 08-05-2012 08:32 PM

I have immense respect for that man but I don't like that he calls it a rip off. I'll politely agree to disagree with him. Just because something is in the same vein as something else doesn't mean it is a rip off.. It's different enough to make it awesome and fun, while All-Stars is its own unique thing.

DXB-KNIGHT 08-05-2012 08:32 PM

Shots Fired! XD

ZoddGutts 08-05-2012 08:32 PM

Lost interest in the game after the reveal of the character list. Weak lineup.

zroid 08-05-2012 08:32 PM

You just had to :|

Duffyside 08-05-2012 08:32 PM

[QUOTE=-Cade;40650150]In before him backpedaling and PR statements![/QUOTE]

This won't happen. The first, that is. Kamiya's word is bond.

Nirolak 08-05-2012 08:32 PM

[QUOTE=JehutyRunner;40650157]Well, that rules out Bayonetta/Jack for PSASBR[/QUOTE]

Sega has thrown Platinum off a cliff at this point so I don't think Platinum has much influence on the IPs anymore. :P

That said the games didn't do well so I don't expect us to ever see the IPs again.

Edit:

Though contemplating this, it does make the inclusion of Dante and Raiden from Rising rather amusing.

Beth Cyra 08-05-2012 08:32 PM

Wow.

Honestly thought this would be contained to the Twitter thread. Just one dude giving his opinion on the game and now is going to be used as a flame war.

Adam Prime 08-05-2012 08:32 PM

Games Industry, brah. That's how it works. We take your good idea and turn it into our good idea.

Meccanical 08-05-2012 08:32 PM

It is a rip off.

Anyone who says otherwise is seriously a fanboy.

Granted that doesn't mean it can't be a fun rip off.

AAK 08-05-2012 08:32 PM

Not a fan of PSBAR either. Playstation was immoratlized by all the games which pioneered 3D gaming. Then they go on to make it a 2D game.

SHOULD HAVE BEEN A 3D GAME!!!

spats 08-05-2012 08:32 PM

[IMG]http://i.minus.com/i2Zj4YBqM0LwS.gif[/IMG]

Kamiya's all future PlayStation games CANCELLED.

GSR 08-05-2012 08:33 PM

Hideki Kamiya annoyed on Twitter, tells Sony to use its own brain

Napalm_Frank 08-05-2012 08:33 PM

[spoiler]he is wrong[/spoiler]

JABEE 08-05-2012 08:33 PM

It's a mascot brawler. I've played both and they don't really feel the same at all. Fighting games are very similar, but differentiate themselves in their systems and the way the game is played. All Stars is no rip-off.

darkside31337 08-05-2012 08:33 PM

[QUOTE=JehutyRunner;40650157]Well, that rules out Bayonetta/Jack for PSASBR.[/QUOTE]

They aren't going to put in characters into the game that nobody has ever heard of.

Data West 08-05-2012 08:33 PM

Shouldn't be be working on his game? What's up with Japanese devs on Twitter all day

Cade 08-05-2012 08:34 PM

[QUOTE=Duffyside;40650206]This won't happen. The first, that is. Kamiya's word is bond.[/QUOTE]

Don't know much about the guy, just seems like every time something like this happens it's only a day or two (sometimes only a few hours!) before we get PR statements and claims of mis-wording. :P

Duffyside 08-05-2012 08:34 PM

[QUOTE=Loudninja;40650181]Sorry I atleast expect someone to play a game before they try to make such claims.

I dont think that's unreasonable.[/QUOTE]

I think it's totally unreasonable to say people have to play games to decide they're not interested, or that they are. Yes, he might think differently once he played it, but that doesn't mean he can't have an opinion now, nor that it might not be true in the end.

And I'm really looking forward to PSBR; but I get the harsh criticisms.

corporate cheerleader 08-05-2012 08:34 PM

[QUOTE=TruePrime;40650213]Wow.

Honestly thought this would be contained to the Twitter thread. Just one dude giving his opinion on the game and now is going to be used as a flame war.[/QUOTE]

It's okay, let the Xbox fanboys have some fun.

Drago 08-05-2012 08:34 PM

[QUOTE=Napalm_Frank;40650232][spoiler]he is wrong[/spoiler][/QUOTE]
Yup

It looks like a ripoff at first glance but gameplay is quite different

stilgar 08-05-2012 08:34 PM

So you made it, eh?

Anteater 08-05-2012 08:34 PM

[img]http://i.imgur.com/KuGsj.gif[/img]

Btw he said Streets of Rage is a ripoff of Final Fight too, just for reference regarding his definition of rip-off

Desmond 08-05-2012 08:35 PM

Bayonetta, Vanquish, plus a plethora of Shooters and Fighters are also conceptual rip offs.

GDGF 08-05-2012 08:35 PM

Kamiya is pretty good friends with Sakurai, correct?

(of course you could probably say that about the majority of the japanese games industry)

ponpo 08-05-2012 08:35 PM

[QUOTE=-Cade;40650273]Don't know much about the guy, just seems like every time something like this happens [b]it's only a day or two (sometimes only a few hours!) before we get PR statements and claims of mis-wording.[/b] :P[/QUOTE]

No, you definitely don't know much about Kamiya :(

GuardianE 08-05-2012 08:35 PM

Can't argue with Kamiya.

Zefah 08-05-2012 08:35 PM

[QUOTE=Dragonzord;40650260]Shouldn't be be working on his game? What's up with Japanese devs on Twitter all day[/QUOTE]

I'll never understand comments like this.

Have you ever had a job?

KillerTravis 08-05-2012 08:36 PM

Come on guys, how can you say it's not a concept ripoff? Did you honestly think Superbot came up with the idea on their own? Being a ripoff and being a fun game are two different things. Seems Kamiya just dislikes unoriginal ideas.

SpacePirate Ridley 08-05-2012 08:36 PM

But you know, he is totally right.
Its a rip off, even sony knows that by putting the name super smash bros on their youtube tag videos.

chertipros 08-05-2012 08:36 PM

I wouldn't say it's a ripoff, but it definitely was inspired heavily by super smash brothers. And there is no denying that. And just to play devils advocate, viewtiful joe red hot rumble was a "super smash bros ripoff" too. Was he involved in that?

ffdgh 08-05-2012 08:36 PM

hmm netural..., but it would cool if he gave it a shot in the future.

King of the Potato People 08-05-2012 08:37 PM

It is a ripoff but that doesn't mean it's a bad ripoff.

Dead Prince 08-05-2012 08:37 PM

he should rip off on making a profit.

ScraftyDevil 08-05-2012 08:37 PM

[QUOTE=KillerTravis;40650334]Come on guys, how can you say it's not a concept ripoff? Did you honestly think Superbot came up with the idea on their own? Being a ripoff and being a fun game are two different things. Seems Kamiya just dislikes unoriginal ideas.[/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://mauiganic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/irony-meter.jpg[/IMG]

Derrick01 08-05-2012 08:37 PM

I don't like him but I can't argue with him too much here. He's more right than wrong.

BlackIronCount 08-05-2012 08:37 PM

hahaha lol

this man is amazing!

Beth Cyra 08-05-2012 08:37 PM

[QUOTE=chertipros;40650348]I wouldn't say it's a ripoff, but it definitely was inspired heavily by super smash brothers. And there is no denying that. And just to play devils advocate, viewtiful joe red hot rumble was a "super smash bros ripoff" too. Was he involved in that?[/QUOTE]

I'm guessing Kamiya wasn't happy about this either.

digita1alchemy 08-05-2012 08:37 PM

REAL TALK.

Nibel 08-05-2012 08:38 PM

Absolutely [I]spot on.[/I]

What the hell you want to argue about?

NoirVisage 08-05-2012 08:38 PM

i'm not following the train of thought in those tweets, especially the 2nd and the last.

Duffyside 08-05-2012 08:38 PM

[QUOTE=DMPrince;40650360]when his game can sell we will talk.[/QUOTE]

What will we talk about? How dumb it is to apply this logic to anything?

I only want to know what Britney Spears and Justin Bieber think about music, because they sell the most, duh.

Varjet 08-05-2012 08:38 PM

[QUOTE=chertipros;40650348]And there is no denying that. And just to play devils advocate, viewtiful joe red hot rumble was a "super smash bros ripoff" too. Was he involved in that?[/QUOTE]

Nope

Forever 08-05-2012 08:38 PM

[QUOTE=ScraftyDevil;40650361][IMG]http://mauiganic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/irony-meter.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Wait, are you saying Kamiya is unoriginal?

Desmond 08-05-2012 08:38 PM

[QUOTE=DMPrince;40650360]he should rip off on making a profit.[/QUOTE]
Damn lol

jett 08-05-2012 08:39 PM

Kamiya trying to secure dat Nintendo relationship.

DeaconKnowledge 08-05-2012 08:39 PM

Sony has never ripped off Nintendo.

ShockingAlberto 08-05-2012 08:39 PM

ITT people will turn on or support someone because of corporate loyalties.

Beth Cyra 08-05-2012 08:39 PM

[QUOTE=DMPrince;40650360]he should rip off on making a profit.[/QUOTE]

He was the director of one of Capcom's best selling games of all time and created a multimillion selling franchise for them as well. Not to mention Bayo did over a million so this comment is pointless as his games do sell.

Risette 08-05-2012 08:39 PM

[QUOTE=Desmond;40650298]Bayonetta, Vanquish, plus a plethora of Shooters and Fighters are also conceptual rip offs.[/QUOTE]
Bayonetta is a conceptual ripoff of what? The subgenre that Kamiya practically started?

ScraftyDevil 08-05-2012 08:39 PM

[QUOTE=Forever;40650396]Wait, are you saying Kamiya is unoriginal?[/QUOTE]

Hey, I love Viewtiful Joe, Bayonetta, Vanquish and such more than most, but even I have to admit that most of his ideas are at least conceptual ripoffs.

Boss Doggie 08-05-2012 08:40 PM

[quote=The_Hitcher89;40650135]At the end of the day for me, its a conceptual rip-off of a game that is one-of-a-kind, and doesn't have many willing competitors with a rostor to make it worth copying. But they seem to have done more than just copy it. They've taken the simple framework and put their own spin on it from the first floor up judging from the changes and impressions, and its basically ignorance to not even give it a chance because it has the audacity to be a 4-player mascot brawler.[/quote]

It's not really unique if you think much about it - there're a bunch of them in Japan. Smash isn't the first time Snake had to fight non-MGS people.

Loudninja 08-05-2012 08:40 PM

[QUOTE=Duffyside;40650279]I think it's totally unreasonable to say people have to play games to decide they're not interested, or that they are. Yes, he might think differently once he played it, but that doesn't mean he can't have an opinion now, nor that it might not be true in the end.

And I'm really looking forward to PSBR; but I get the harsh criticisms.[/QUOTE]
No I completely disagree with that.

Dead Prince 08-05-2012 08:40 PM

[QUOTE=Duffyside;40650389]What will we talk about? How dumb it is to apply this logic to anything?

I only want to know what Britney Spears and Justin Bieber think about music, because they sell the most, duh.[/QUOTE]

Justin bieber doesn't like to be compared to timberlake.

ZoddGutts 08-05-2012 08:40 PM

[QUOTE=DMPrince;40650360]he should rip off on making a profit.[/QUOTE]

He already did that with Bayonetta but that's okay since he made DMC.

Anteater 08-05-2012 08:40 PM

[QUOTE=ScraftyDevil;40650439]Hey, I love Viewtiful Joe, Bayonetta, Vanquish and such more than most, but even I have to admit that most of his ideas are at least conceptual ripoffs.[/QUOTE]

He didn't make Vanquish

Delusibeta 08-05-2012 08:40 PM

Well, at least it's a Ronseal point of view. It's exactly what it says on the tin.

toadster101 08-05-2012 08:40 PM

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/w0eWm.png[/IMG]

Wario64 08-05-2012 08:40 PM

[IMG]http://i.minus.com/jbjSNEIQQQOXDm.png[/IMG]

TheOddOne 08-05-2012 08:41 PM

[QUOTE=ShockingAlberto;40650420]ITT people will turn on or support someone because of corporate loyalties.[/QUOTE]
In a nutshell. See this becoming something that follows him forever, even "journalists" will try to find him to "clarify" his opinion.

Desmond 08-05-2012 08:41 PM

[QUOTE=pizzaroll;40650430]Bayonetta is a conceptual ripoff of what? The subgenre that Kamiya practically started?[/QUOTE]
Golden Axe.

keit4 08-05-2012 08:41 PM

[QUOTE=toadster101;40650469][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/w0eWm.png[IMG][/QUOTE]

/thread

Sorry Sony fans.

The_Hitcher89 08-05-2012 08:41 PM

[QUOTE=Ookami-kun;40650440]It's not really unique if you think much about it - there're a bunch of them in Japan. Smash isn't the first time Snake had to fight non-MGS people.[/QUOTE]

I don't know about the Japanese games industry :(

TheBioLover 08-05-2012 08:41 PM

[QUOTE=jett;40650408]Kamiya trying to secure dat Nintendo relationship.[/QUOTE]

Maybe Nintendo payed him off to smear PSASBR!

[spoiler]I'm joking, Nintendo fanboys[/spoiler]

OldJadedGamer 08-05-2012 08:41 PM

[QUOTE=corporate cheerleader;40650286]It's okay, let the Xbox fanboys have some fun.[/QUOTE]

Someone says a Sony game is a ripoff of a Nintendo game and the Xbox fanboys are having fun?

Data West 08-05-2012 08:41 PM

[QUOTE=Zefah;40650321]I'll never understand comments like this.

Have you ever had a job?[/QUOTE]
Ill never understand replies like this. why do kamiya swery and kojima flood my feed daily but Ken Levine posts like once a week? But keep making assumptions

Beth Cyra 08-05-2012 08:41 PM

[QUOTE=ScraftyDevil;40650439]Hey, I love Viewtiful Joe, Bayonetta, Vanquish and such more than most, but even I have to admit that most of his ideas are at least conceptual ripoffs.[/QUOTE]

Well at least learn what games he freaking created.

Vanquish was Mikami not Kamiya.

Baoynetta was a rip off, but of his own creation and something he took to the next level.

VJ? If you really want to boil it down then maybe, otherwise no.

Nirolak 08-05-2012 08:41 PM

[QUOTE=ScraftyDevil;40650439]Hey, I love Viewtiful Joe, Bayonetta, Vanquish and such more than most, but even I have to admit that most of his ideas are at least conceptual ripoffs.[/QUOTE]

Vanquish was Mikami and a fairly separate team that left the studio after its completion to form Tango.

KillerTravis 08-05-2012 08:42 PM

[QUOTE=Wario64;40650476][IMG]http://i.minus.com/jbjSNEIQQQOXDm.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Lol.

Kusagari 08-05-2012 08:42 PM

[QUOTE=toadster101;40650469]http://i.imgur.com/w0eWm.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

/thread.

Or are Sony fans going to disagree with the company itself?

Risette 08-05-2012 08:42 PM

[QUOTE=Wario64;40650476][IMG]http://i.minus.com/jbjSNEIQQQOXDm.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
lol

[QUOTE=Desmond;40650484]Golden Axe.[/QUOTE]
The hell?

Duffyside 08-05-2012 08:42 PM

[QUOTE=Loudninja;40650449]No I completely disagree with that.[/QUOTE]

So you admit that you being excited for PSBR before ever playing it was totally unreasonable?

Desmond 08-05-2012 08:42 PM

[QUOTE=keit4;40650494]/thread

Sorry Sony fans.[/QUOTE]
I think people are miffed that he says stuff without touching the game.

Unspeakable Evil 08-05-2012 08:42 PM

OP I knew you would make this thead :)

Loudninja 08-05-2012 08:43 PM

[QUOTE=Kusagari;40650527]/thread.

Or are Sony fans going to disagree with the company itself?[/QUOTE]

Oh man a tag on a youtube video?!?!?

Well I am done.

GuardianE 08-05-2012 08:43 PM

[QUOTE=Wario64;40650476][IMG]http://i.minus.com/jbjSNEIQQQOXDm.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]


lmao. Perfect.

Holy Order Sol 08-05-2012 08:43 PM

[QUOTE=GSR;40650226]Hideki Kamiya annoyed on Twitter, tells Sony to use its own brain[/QUOTE]

XD

Nirolak 08-05-2012 08:43 PM

[QUOTE=Desmond;40650544]I think people are miffed that he says stuff without touching the game.[/QUOTE]

That seems kind of silly to me though given that as far as I can tell he doesn't play any modern games.

This is a pretty fair shake relative to what he's going to give any other game.

JABEE 08-05-2012 08:43 PM

I see these character brawlers a sub-genre Of fighting games. Just like every other genre, they follow a certain template, but differentiate themselves from the competition through different systems, different fighting mechanics. I don't understand how it is a rip-off. Every FPS game with a Single Player Campaign, TDM, and CTF would be considered a rip-off If held to the same standards.

Kusagari 08-05-2012 08:43 PM

[QUOTE=Loudninja;40650552]Oh man a tag on a youtube video?!?!?[/QUOTE]

Does Sony tag Killzone videos with Halo?

gabbre 08-05-2012 08:43 PM

He's right but I don't see anything wrong in ripoffs if they're good

Zefah 08-05-2012 08:43 PM

[QUOTE=Dragonzord;40650506]Ill never understand replies like this. why do kamiya swery and kojima flood my feed daily but Ken Levine posts like once a week? But keep making assumptions[/QUOTE]

Why are you comparing Kojima, Kamiya, and Levine? Do you think that Ken Levine is working harder and longer hours because he doesn't post on Twitter as much? Talk about making assumptions...

Desmond 08-05-2012 08:43 PM

[QUOTE=pizzaroll;40650537]lol


The hell?[/QUOTE]
joking...

Dunk#7 08-05-2012 08:44 PM

Why does SSB get a pass to be the only game in the genre?

If this were the way the industry worked we would only have about 10 different game series that were on their 20th iteration.

How dare Crash Team Racing and Diddy Kong Racing copy off of Mario Kart!!!

The logic for being against PSABR is ridiculous

Wario64 08-05-2012 08:44 PM

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Ei3bZ.jpg[/IMG]

7threst 08-05-2012 08:44 PM

[QUOTE=DMPrince;40650360]he should rip off on making a profit.[/QUOTE]

Goddamn this gave me a laugh haha! :)

snowdog1971 08-05-2012 08:45 PM

[QUOTE=keit4;40650161]He is right.[/QUOTE]

This ^^

Not that I mind tbh, it's a great idea.

I'm still waiting for Capcom to announce Nintendo Vs Capcom, will be a nice filler for fighting game fans until the next Super Smash Bros. game is released and will be a licence to print money for both Capcom and Nintendo, particularly for Nintendo because it will be a ridiculously successful system seller.


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:37 AM.