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wenis 10-06-2017 10:48 PM

Hollywood Directors team up against the scourge of TV Motion Smoothing
 
[URL="https://www.polygon.com/2017/10/6/16434902/star-wars-guardians-of-the-galaxy-motion-smoothing-hdtv"][Polygon][/URL]

[QUOTE]James Gunn, the director of Slither, both Guardians of the Galaxy films and the under-appreciated Super recently tweeted about his hatred of the feature, and the fact itís turned on as the default for so many displays. His message included some big names, all supporting the death of motion smoothing.[/QUOTE]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/zNGpNHS.png[/img]

[QUOTE]Rian Johnson, who directed Brick, Looper, three amazing Breaking Bad episodes and something called Star Wars: The Last Jedi didnít bother trying to hide his disgust at how deeply the option can be hidden in menus, and how bad it can make movies look.[/QUOTE]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/ygd406e.png[/img]

[QUOTE]Reed Morano directed the first three episodes of The Handmaidís Tale, and sheís been fighting the good fight for a while now.[/QUOTE]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/FiLtOlv.png[/img]

Bless em all and godspeed! Motion Smoothing should be shot into the sun.

A-V-B 10-06-2017 10:49 PM

Totally on board, yeah. It's a really ugly feature to plaster across walls of television screens.

SpaceWolf 10-06-2017 10:49 PM

Interesting.

Lashley 10-06-2017 10:49 PM

Yep, first setting I disabled on my new TV

Skux 10-06-2017 10:49 PM

Good. Content should be watched at the source frame rate and aspect ratio without any of these post processing gimmicks.

LumpOfCole 10-06-2017 10:50 PM

It took way, way too long for this campaign to start up. This has been a major problem in televisions for something 8+ years now (probably longer). It's arguably okay in Sports, but it ruins every other kind of media. Honestly it shouldn't even exist.

Glix 10-06-2017 10:51 PM

It's disgusting.

I have trouble not being a dick when people say they like it. It's horrible.

Apathy 10-06-2017 10:52 PM

Way too many people want to watch soap operas instead of movies and shows. Looks horrible

A-V-B 10-06-2017 10:52 PM

[QUOTE=LumpOfCole;251177036]It took way, way too long for this campaign to start up. This has been a major problem in televisions for something 8+ years now (probably longer). It's arguably okay in Sports, but it ruins every other kind of media. Honestly it shouldn't even exist.[/QUOTE]

And some sports are broadcast at 60fps anyway. I know baseball is slowly coming into the fold on this.

zelas 10-06-2017 10:53 PM

Thank god! Save us!

dr3upmushroom 10-06-2017 10:53 PM

I've never understood this feature, I remember walking into a Costco and thinking "What the fuck is this bullshit".

[QUOTE=Glix;251177099]It's disgusting.

I have trouble not being a dick when people say they like it. It's horrible.[/QUOTE]

Sometimes the truth hurts.

h1nch 10-06-2017 10:54 PM

[QUOTE=Glix;251177099]It's disgusting.

I have trouble not being a dick when people say they like it. It's horrible.[/QUOTE]

Those people have bad taste.

It's a worthless feature that should go away.

Days like these... 10-06-2017 10:54 PM

I remember when it first came out many years ago and alot of people (me included) complained about how everything looked like a soap opera. People were saying 'but, but, but, it's the future you'll get used it!'

TangoAlphaLima 10-06-2017 10:54 PM

But what if I want all content to look like my telenovellas?

[SPOILER]I don't.[/SPOILER]

a Master Ninja 10-06-2017 10:54 PM

If consumers want to go out of their way to fuck up their image quality, that's fine. The DEFAULT factory settings shouldn't be screwing with the source.
[QUOTE=Days like these...;251177435]I remember when it first came out many years ago and alot of people (me included) complained about how everything looked like a soap opera. People were saying 'but, but, but, it's the future you'll get used it!'[/QUOTE]
You might be thinking of high framerate content, which is slowly becoming more common.

BlackGoku03 10-06-2017 10:55 PM

I've been called a snob by my IT coworkers because I hate smooth motion.

Ashby 10-06-2017 10:56 PM

My fancy new 4K+HDR TV doesn't have it so maybe the tide is already turning.

Deadly Cyclone 10-06-2017 10:56 PM

I turn that shit off immediately.

Palette Swap 10-06-2017 10:57 PM

Yeah. I hate that you need to go out of your way to get rid of this disgusting crap.

Previous 10-06-2017 10:57 PM

Good. fuck that soap opera shit.

Skux 10-06-2017 10:58 PM

[QUOTE=Apathy;251177144]Way too many people want to watch soap operas instead of movies and shows. Looks horrible[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Previous;251177738]Good. fuck that soap opera shit.[/QUOTE]

This is the unfortunate side effect of the soap operas of the 80s and 90s - anything that looks high frame rate or smooth has embedded the association of "cheap soap opera" into the general public, and this turned a lot of people off the technical aspects of The Hobbit.

People have this ingrained idea that it's only a "film" if it's 24fps. It "feels filmic" or "has that filmic look". And rightfully so - the 24fps standard has been around for decades and has been used for almost every movie they've watched.

But 24fps is only a number that was chosen because it was the tradeoff between motion fidelity and cost. It was good enough and cheap enough to be widely adopted. Unfortunately it's also terribly limiting in some cases, but attempting to go against the grain is often met with revulsion from film purists.

We need more big budget, high frame rate content, especially for action and sci-fi films where temporal fidelity is important. This will help change the perception and make it more acceptable to have high frame rate content for films that would benefit from it. Can you imagine Fast & Furious or Star Trek shot natively at 60fps. It would be a feast for the eyes.

Dan-o 10-06-2017 10:59 PM

Poll needs a "Fuck yo chromatic aberration" option.

broncobuster 10-06-2017 10:59 PM

Odd how for most TVs, game mode disables all this, but the dedicated cinema modes keep them on by default. Like if you want to keep it the default on the standard setting, fine, whatever. But at least have a baseline for the cinema presets.

Bronx-Man 10-06-2017 10:59 PM

Is this that thing that makes everything look like a soap opera? Burn it with fire, christ. I donít know who could possibly enjoy that shit.

Phreaker 10-06-2017 11:00 PM

RESIST!

Funny story. A co-worker bought a new TV and came back after the weekend and said new TVs are terrible, they make everything look weird. I was like what? He said the video seems wrong. Then I told him about motion smoothing crap, he turned it off and said I saved him from regretting getting a new TV.

Farsi 10-06-2017 11:00 PM

I can understand why, but I'm a fan of it.

crimsonheadGCN 10-06-2017 11:02 PM

That is a great poll. chromatic aberration should not have a disable option when it's added to TVs.

itwasTuesday 10-06-2017 11:03 PM

Motion smoothing/image interpolation during text crawl or credits isn't bad though.

Extra Sauce 10-06-2017 11:03 PM

The worst part was in the early years of HDTV when trying and failing to explain the problem to other people without having an accepted term for it. So many of them seem to lack the ability to tell the difference, which is mind-boggling to me.

GAMEPROFF 10-06-2017 11:03 PM

Whats the name of this on Panasonic TVs? Pretty sure I disabled it, but I want to check it out.

jstripes 10-06-2017 11:03 PM

The worst thing to happen to TVs in forever.

kunonabi 10-06-2017 11:03 PM

Motion smoothing turned me of hdtvs for years before i realized it was optional.

backflip10019 10-06-2017 11:04 PM

Motion smoothing is fucking horrible.

My in-laws have never turned it off, so I have to watch it there every time I visit.

SeanC 10-06-2017 11:04 PM

Yeah, it's pretty bad. Makes you feel removed from the film, to me. Like you're paying more attention to the smoothness than anything else.

Great for talkshows and sports, though.

liquidtmd 10-06-2017 11:05 PM

All those directors should tag Peter Jackson in on the Tweets and ask him why he turned it on for The Hobbit movies

[spoiler]lol[/spoiler]

Seriously my friend has this permanently on her TV. I caught Die Hard on it once and it looked like absolute trash.

Farsi 10-06-2017 11:06 PM

[QUOTE=liquidtmd;251178452]All those directors should tag Peter Jackson in on the Tweets and ask him why he turned it on for The Hobbit movies

[spoiler]lol[/spoiler][/QUOTE]

lol damn son

Stinkles 10-06-2017 11:07 PM

Hereís a fun trick: with motion smoothing on, watch the uhd version of Lawrence of Arabia to see how cheap and nasty David Leanís masterpiece looks.

Fancy Clown 10-06-2017 11:07 PM

The fact that itís hidden deep in menus and called something different on every TV AND is on by default is the biggest bullshit. Yeah Iím totally gonna drop a few thousand on a TV because I want to make everything look like it was filmed in some British dudeís basement in 1973.

jayu26 10-06-2017 11:07 PM

About damn time. Every time I see shit like this at a friend's house I face palm.

Geneijin 10-06-2017 11:07 PM

Motion smoothing usually looks like footage was sped up for me.

liquidtmd 10-06-2017 11:08 PM

[QUOTE=Stinkles;251178566]Hereís a fun trick: with motion smoothing on, watch the uhd version of Lawrence of Arabia to see how cheap and nasty David Leanís masterpiece looks.[/QUOTE]

You monster

Stinkles 10-06-2017 11:08 PM

[QUOTE=backflip10019;251178314]Motion smoothing is fucking horrible.

My in-laws have never turned it off, so I have to watch it there every time I visit.[/QUOTE]

I turn it off everywhere I go. Theyíre doing it wrong.

MightyHedgehog 10-06-2017 11:09 PM

I'm not a fan of it, but it does look nice for S3D CG animated content, IMO.
[QUOTE=A-V-B;251177177]And some sports are broadcast at 60fps anyway. I know baseball is slowly coming into the fold on this.[/QUOTE]

In the US, anyway, sports programming is virtually always captured and broadcast at 60fps since the '70s.

Septimus Prime 10-06-2017 11:09 PM

Good. Screw the camcorder look.

Vincent Alexander 10-06-2017 11:09 PM

I nearly ended a relationship over this shit.

border 10-06-2017 11:10 PM

Is there a reason games don't use this to achieve at least the look of 60 FPS?

BotoxAgent 10-06-2017 11:10 PM

also no to edge enhancement and stupid ass blue whites

Syder 10-06-2017 11:10 PM

If when purchasing a new TV you don't go through every menu/setting tuning it then what are you even doing with your life?

Crossing Eden 10-06-2017 11:12 PM

THANK YOU! Seriously the motion interpolation makes animated films and films in general look awful.

Kill Your Masters 10-06-2017 11:13 PM

[QUOTE=Syder;251178887]If when purchasing a new TV you don't go through every menu/setting tuning it then what are you even doing with your life?[/QUOTE]

Most people don't. You'd be surprised. Most family or friends I visit have this shit turned on.

Super enhanced cinema (super monty python diarrhea effect) sounds too good to be turned off for a 500$ TV or something. TV manufacturers are at fault.


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